IRC log of lld on 2011-06-30

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13:53:11 [antoine]

rrsagent, bookmark

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See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T13-53-11

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13:53:26 [antoine]

zakim, this will be lld

13:53:26 [Zakim]

ok, antoine; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

13:54:43 [emma]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0115.html

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Previous: 2011-06-23 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html

13:55:30 [emma]

rrsagent, bookmark

13:55:30 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T13-55-30

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rrsagent, please make record public

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

13:56:05 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html emma

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INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started

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+??P14

13:56:25 [antoine]

zakim, ??P14 is me

13:56:25 [Zakim]

+antoine; got it

13:56:26 [emma]

rrsagent, please make record public

13:56:49 [antoine]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

13:56:49 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html antoine

13:57:04 [Zakim]

+emma

13:57:18 [antoine]

Meeting: LLD XG

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Chair: Emma

13:57:59 [emma]

Regrets: Michael, Uldis, Gordon, Daniel

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

13:58:13 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html antoine

13:58:51 [Zakim]

+jeff_

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+??P22

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13:59:09 [jeff__]

zakim, mute me

13:59:09 [Zakim]

sorry, jeff__, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:59:13 [ww]

zakim, ??P22 is me

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+ww; got it

13:59:19 [jeff__]

zakim, jeff__ is me

13:59:19 [Zakim]

sorry, jeff__, I do not recognize a party named 'jeff__'

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+jodi

13:59:32 [ww]

zakim, mute me please

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ww should now be muted

13:59:33 [jodi]

zakim mute me please

13:59:35 [jeff__]

zakim, jeff_ is me

13:59:35 [Zakim]

+jeff__; got it

13:59:39 [jeff__]

zakim, mute me

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jeff__ should now be muted

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+??P0

14:00:18 [antoine]

zakim, ??P0 is AlexanderH

14:00:18 [Zakim]

+AlexanderH; got it

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+monica

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14:01:16 [Zakim]

+pmurray

14:01:17 [emma]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:01:17 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html emma

14:01:23 [Zakim]

+??P26

14:01:39 [antoine]

zakim, ??P26 is kcoyle

14:01:39 [Zakim]

+kcoyle; got it

14:02:22 [antoine]

regrets+ Lars

14:02:54 [jodi]

sorry, I have background work today

14:03:07 [pmurray]

I can do it.

14:03:22 [emma]

Scribe: Peter

14:03:32 [emma]

scribenick: pmurray

14:03:48 [pmurray]

I was just looking at the documentation again.

14:04:47 [pmurray]

TOPIC: ADMIN

14:05:28 [pmurray]

RESOLVED: Accept minutes of previous telecon http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html

14:06:05 [pmurray]

emma: Reminder. Conference calls every other week during the summer.

14:06:09 [pmurray]

TOPIC: Final Report

14:06:20 [emma]

http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/w3clld/

14:06:22 [pmurray]

emma: We have the blog up and running

14:06:48 [pmurray]

... some technical issues with the digres.it plugin. Blank pages when trying to access the blog.

14:07:08 [pmurray]

... it seems to be okay when you refresh the page a few times. Waiting for the UKOLN colleagues to try to resolve the problem.

14:07:16 [monica]

q+

14:07:23 [emma]

ack monica

14:07:32 [kcoyle]

yes, i got in just now w/o problems

14:07:36 [pmurray]

monica: No further updates at this time.

14:07:41 [jodi]

thanks for hosting the blog, and for following up on it! :)

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14:09:08 [jodi]

thanks! :)

14:09:42 [pmurray]

monica: Regarding whether to keep the blog. UKOLN is an organization committed to keeping links active, so in spirit the organization will treat the blog like any other resource that they don't want to see disappear.

14:10:56 [pmurray]

We can also look into turning the blog into static HTML pages.

14:11:23 [antoine]

q+

14:11:35 [ww]

q+

14:11:48 [emma]

ack ant

14:12:25 [pmurray]

antoine: We already have comments, and they seem focused on one heading or one paragraph, so the digres.it plugin is useful for capturing this.

14:12:31 [jodi]

it's nice to have paragraph-level comments

14:12:43 [jodi]

it's useful to start the discussion!

14:12:51 [pmurray]

kcoyle: Making comments to start the discussion so the blog doesn't look like an intimidating place.

14:12:56 [monica]

agree - karen opening discussion will help to seed it

14:12:57 [antoine]

+1

14:13:02 [ww]

+1

14:13:10 [emma]

ack ww

14:13:48 [pmurray]

ww: Turning it into static HTML pages is a good idea so one doesn't need the complicated machinery behind it.

14:13:50 [antoine]

+1

14:13:59 [emma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists

14:14:14 [ww]

zakim, mute me please

14:14:14 [Zakim]

ww should now be muted

14:14:52 [pmurray]

Reminder to send the call for public comments out to lists and mark it on the Dissemination_Lists wiki pages.

14:15:00 [antoine]

@ww: you've sent the call on openbiblio, I think?

14:15:09 [ww]

antoine: yes

14:15:13 [emma]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0080.html

14:15:32 [antoine]

@ww: ok! I'll mark it on the wiki

14:15:35 [pmurray]

ACTION: Monica to send email to ask for more volunteers otherwise we will continue on our own [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action02]

14:15:45 [pmurray]

-- Done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0080.html

14:15:54 [marcia]

I sent to three I signed up.

14:16:15 [pmurray]

ACTION: Jeff to keep track of further comments between June 24 and June 30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action08]

14:16:22 [pmurray]

-- Done

14:16:41 [antoine]

@marcia: thx! wiki is updated

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14:17:32 [jodi]

no, I'm not

14:17:35 [pmurray]

emma/monica: When someone posts to the list for the first time, they must be approved.

14:17:55 [pmurray]

... subsequent comments from that individual do not go into the moderation queue.

14:18:16 [marcia]

@antoine: I wonder if we are supposed to not touch the deliverable version in order to get the comments.

14:18:16 [ww]

antoine: which wiki page? i've circulated it elsewhere as well

14:18:26 [antoine]

@ww: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists

14:18:48 [antoine]

no

14:19:12 [antoine]

everything is alright, just trying to keep track of where the call was sent

14:19:26 [jeff__]

zakim, unmute me

14:19:27 [Zakim]

jeff__ should no longer be muted

14:19:39 [pmurray]

ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action03]

14:19:48 [jeff__]

q+

14:19:58 [emma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments

14:20:10 [emma]

ack je

14:20:10 [jeff__]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=DraftReportReviewerAssignments&diff=5199&oldid=5169

14:20:44 [pmurray]

-- continues

14:20:50 [antoine]

good idea to share that, jeff!

14:21:30 [antoine]

zakim, who is here?

14:21:30 [Zakim]

On the phone I see antoine, emma, jeff__, ww (muted), jodi, AlexanderH, monica, pmurray (muted), kcoyle

14:21:59 [kcoyle]

i can do that

14:22:24 [jeff__]

I can take the week after again

14:22:26 [pmurray]

ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 8 and July 15

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14:22:41 [jeff__]

zakim, mute me

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jeff__ should now be muted

14:22:49 [pmurray]

ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 15 and July 22

14:24:15 [pmurray]

emma: Comments on the reviews that we have received so far?

14:24:50 [pmurray]

member:rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:25:03 [pmurray]

rssagent, please draft minutes

14:25:26 [jodi]

it might be good to have fresh energy on that, along with the original folks...

14:25:48 [pmurray]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:25:48 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html pmurray

14:26:29 [antoine]

q+ on reacting

14:26:37 [emma]

ack ant

14:26:37 [Zakim]

antoine, you wanted to comment on reacting

14:26:47 [ww]

tangent: anyone from #lld at okcon?

14:27:12 [jeff__]

q+

14:27:21 [jeff__]

zakim, unmute me

14:27:21 [Zakim]

jeff__ should no longer be muted

14:27:21 [emma]

ack jeff

14:27:22 [pmurray]

antoine: It would be good to discuss comments during a telecon so we don't lose momentum.

14:27:52 [pmurray]

jeff: Tried to integrate the comments that didn't require too much restructuring.

14:28:01 [antoine]

q+

14:28:04 [pmurray]

... reluctant to do restructuring without help from others.

14:28:32 [emma]

ack ant

14:28:41 [jeff__]

zakim, mute me

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jeff__ should now be muted

14:29:23 [pmurray]

antoine: Agree with jeff that we should be conservative. Any comment that can be addressed by changing one word or sentence should be made.

14:30:11 [pmurray]

emma: Maybe the easiest way to go is to ask authors of each section to keep an eye for comments on their section and for controversial topics ask the chair to schedule it for a conference call.

14:30:41 [jeff__]

+1

14:30:45 [kcoyle]

+1

14:30:47 [antoine]

+1

14:30:52 [marcia]

＋1

14:30:52 [pmurray]

ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section

14:31:23 [pmurray]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:31:35 [Zakim]

pmurray, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (9%), jodi (90%)

14:31:41 [antoine]

:-)

14:31:48 [emma]

zakim, please mute jodi

14:31:48 [Zakim]

jodi should now be muted

14:31:56 [jodi]

sorry, I thought I was muted!

14:32:23 [kcoyle]

+1 for magic, or things indistinguishable from...

14:32:25 [pmurray]

emma: On the next call, ask the authors of each section to report on substantive comments

14:32:44 [monica]

to include comments on blog as well?

14:32:56 [pmurray]

TOPIC: W3C Community Group

14:33:14 [pmurray]

emma: There has been some activity in the W3C on this.

14:33:49 [pmurray]

... They have created a discussion list and web page on which we can see the different community groups. They are testing it with a few incubator groups that are transitioning to community groups.

14:34:06 [kcoyle]

q+

14:34:08 [pmurray]

... They are using a web page with a wordpress blog and several discussion lists.

14:34:48 [pmurray]

... We have stated our desire to transition to a community group at the end of our charter.

14:34:59 [emma]

ack kc

14:35:06 [pmurray]

... We need to discuss this in July to decide whether we want to make that transition or to go another way.

14:35:14 [ww]

+1 to cg transition, no discussion :)

14:35:30 [jodi]

yeah kcoyle & charper! :)

14:35:30 [pmurray]

kcoyle: As of last week, the American Library Association has an official library linked data group.

14:35:49 [pmurray]

... Would be interest to see how we can combine groups and connect groups.

14:36:10 [antoine]

karen, can you say more on the ALA group? missions, activities

14:36:10 [pmurray]

... Need to see how we make this a broad communication.

14:37:30 [pmurray]

... It is a LLD interest group that is affiliated with the technical services (ALCTS, e.g. cataloging) division and the information technology group (LITA).

14:37:35 [ww]

s/no discussion//

14:37:42 [jodi]

wow!

14:38:06 [ww]

q+

14:38:11 [pmurray]

... this group could promote training.

14:39:12 [emma]

ack ww

14:39:15 [pmurray]

... the group came up with a couple of tasks during the meeting: gathering use cases in the community, developing training and how to get information out to the rest of the library community, and a couple of other things. (Karen to follow up when she gets access to the wiki)

14:40:02 [pmurray]

ww: Sounds nice, but to what extent will it be seen as an american thing. the global scope is one of the nice things about the w3c.

14:40:40 [pmurray]

kcoyle: it is a way to pull other interested U.S. parties into the discussion. Hopes other groups would form elsewhere so there is a local venue to meet.

14:40:58 [ww]

zakim, mute me

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ww should now be muted

14:41:03 [pmurray]

emma: So the W3C group could be across the various local/national groups?

14:41:19 [antoine]

q+

14:41:22 [emma]

ack ant

14:41:32 [pmurray]

kcoyle: Yes, because local is where people are connecting face-to-face, so connecting to a international forum would be a good thing.

14:41:56 [pmurray]

antoine: It also allows the international group to hear what is happening elsewhere.

14:43:11 [pmurray]

... it could be that the IPR stuff and other things may raise issues when we include things from other groups.

14:43:25 [ww]

q+

14:43:29 [emma]

ack ww*

14:43:33 [emma]

ack ww

14:44:39 [pmurray]

ww: This also came up with the BIBTECH JSON group. There are some that are not convinced about RDF. Is it appropriate to bring that kind of work into the LLD fold if we were to become a community group?

14:45:06 [antoine]

q+

14:45:10 [emma]

ack ant

14:45:17 [ww]

s/BIBTECH JSON/BIBJSON/BibTeX in JSON/

14:45:28 [ww]

s/BIBTECH JSON/BIBJSON - BibTeX in JSON/

14:45:42 [ww]

zakim, mute me

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ww should now be muted

14:46:35 [antoine]

ALA?

14:46:56 [antoine]

(other than Karen's group ;-) )

14:47:01 [pmurray]

TOPIC: Short report from ALA

14:47:16 [pmurray]

kcoyle: More than a dozen meetings about linked data, while in the past there had been none.

14:47:45 [pmurray]

... there was quite a bit of talk of because RDA coming along and because Library of Congress looking for a replacement for MARC, there was a lot of discussion about what the next data standard would be.

14:47:54 [jodi]

that's amazing!

14:47:58 [antoine]

+1

14:48:00 [pmurray]

... it was an entirely different viewpoint from six months ago.

14:48:09 [pmurray]

pmurray: I agree. I saw the same thing

14:48:34 [pmurray]

kcoyle: It was mainly talking about what was happening in the future. There was a great acceptance that there was going to be a major change.

14:49:42 [pmurray]

... kcoyle's hope that it will give a kind of "official blessing" on this change coming from a well-respected organization and that it will become a leverage point for people to get funding for projects.

14:51:05 [antoine]

karen++

14:51:08 [pmurray]

... also talked with vendors and will be sending the call for review to some of the companies to make sure we get their comments.

14:51:19 [jeff__]

karen++

14:51:35 [antoine]

zakim, who is here?

14:51:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see antoine, emma, jeff__ (muted), ww (muted), jodi (muted), AlexanderH, monica, pmurray (muted), kcoyle

14:51:43 [Zakim]

-jeff__

14:51:45 [jodi]

bye!

14:51:46 [Zakim]

-kcoyle

14:51:48 [Zakim]

-AlexanderH

14:51:50 [Zakim]

-monica

14:51:51 [pmurray]

[adjourned]

14:51:52 [antoine]

zakim, please list attendees

14:51:52 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been antoine, emma, ww, jodi, jeff__, AlexanderH, monica, pmurray, kcoyle

14:51:53 [ww]

thanks! bye

14:51:53 [AlexanderH]

thx

14:51:54 [Zakim]

-jodi

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-ww

14:52:44 [emma]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:52:44 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html emma

14:53:00 [marcia]

Nice to participate 'on line'. Thanks

14:54:18 [emma]

Present+: marcia

14:54:28 [antoine]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:54:28 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html antoine

14:55:08 [Zakim]

-pmurray

14:55:12 [Zakim]

-emma

14:55:14 [Zakim]

-antoine

14:55:14 [Zakim]

INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended

14:55:16 [Zakim]

Attendees were antoine, emma, ww, jodi, jeff__, AlexanderH, monica, pmurray, kcoyle

14:55:22 [antoine]

zakim, bye

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14:55:27 [antoine]

rrsagent, bye

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-actions.rdf :

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Monica to send email to ask for more volunteers otherwise we will continue on our own [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action02] [1]

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T14-15-35

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jeff to keep track of further comments between June 24 and June 30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action08] [2]

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T14-16-15

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action03] [3]

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T14-19-39

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 8 and July 15 [4]

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T14-22-26

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 15 and July 22 [5]

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T14-22-49

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [6]

14:55:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-irc#T14-30-52-1

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