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07:39:00 <wbailer> zakim, this will be Team_(mediaann)
07:39:00 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
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07:42:36 <tmichel> zakim, space for 6 for 120 minutes?
07:42:38 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; conference Team_(mediaann)07:42Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 120 minutes until 0942Z
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07:44:19 <tmichel> zakim, space for 6 for 600 minutes?
07:44:19 <Zakim> tmichel, an adhoc conference was scheduled here less than 2 minutes ago
07:45:08 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG F2F day 2
07:45:20 <wbailer> present: daniel, joakim, thierry, wonsuk, werner
07:45:26 <wbailer> chair: joakim
07:45:49 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
07:45:53 <wbailer> rrsagent, darft minutes
07:45:53 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'darft minutes', wbailer.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
07:45:58 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
07:45:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
07:48:07 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)07:42Z has now started
07:48:14 <Zakim> +Sophia
07:50:04 <Zakim> +florian
07:53:04 <Daniel> item: reporting the status of API doc by Florian
07:53:11 <Daniel> via teleconf
07:54:45 <wbailer> topic: api document
07:54:53 <wbailer> scribenick: werner
07:55:02 <wbailer> florian reports on status of api doc
07:55:24 <wbailer> florian needs updated list of wg members in acknowledgements
07:56:44 <wbailer> thierry proposes to copy from cr version of ontology doc
07:59:00 <wbailer> action: florian to check term method/operation in the web idl spec and update api doc accordingly
07:59:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-425 - Check term method/operation in the web idl spec and update api doc accordingly [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-07-06].
08:04:07 <wbailer> proposal to move section 4.4 forward, to have the definition before examples are introduced
08:04:12 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
08:04:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
08:05:39 <wbailer> florian prefers to keep structure, as it is more logical
08:06:38 <wbailer> action: florian to add explaination to introduce mediaannotation object in sections 4.2 and 4.3
08:06:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-426 - Add explaination to introduce mediaannotation object in sections 4.2 and 4.3 [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-07-06].
08:08:14 <wbailer> action: werner to propose updates to api doc abstract
08:08:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-427 - Propose updates to api doc abstract [on Werner Bailer - due 2011-07-06].
08:11:19 <wbailer> action: florian to delete noerrostatus block from 4.5 examples
08:11:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-428 - Delete noerrostatus block from 4.5 examples [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-07-06].
08:19:40 <wbailer> action: florian to drop status codes 262 thru 264 and references to them
08:19:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-429 - Drop status codes 262 thru 264 and references to them [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-07-06].
08:19:47 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
08:19:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
08:21:50 <wbailer> line break issue: florian to contact robin concerning line breaks in the web idl code
08:22:42 <wbailer> if we have no response before publishing, thierry will insert edits
08:27:41 <wbailer> bullet list formating: change to ui to ul in beginning of sections 3 and 4
08:32:37 <wbailer> references: florian to ask robin what the policy for updating is
08:33:56 <wbailer> thierry: when will the doc be finalised to go to 2nd lc?
08:34:23 <wbailer> florian will work on edits today
08:35:22 <wbailer> freeze doc before next telco and vote about going to 2nd lc
08:36:13 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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08:37:17 <wbailer> present+ florian_phone
08:37:20 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
08:37:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
08:37:52 <wbailer> thierry: we could publish on 2nd lc on tue 12th
08:38:17 <wbailer> ... we should give 3 week review time
08:45:27 <Zakim> -Sophia
08:45:31 <stegmai> http://www.mmweb2011.org/+
08:45:55 <Zakim> -florian
08:45:56 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)07:42Z has ended
08:45:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Sophia, florian
08:45:58 <tmichel>  zakim, space for 6 for 600 minutes?
08:45:59 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; conference Team_(mediaann)08:45Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 600 minutes until 1845Z
08:46:32 <tmichel> Please redial with "CONF2 " code
08:47:18 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:45Z has now started
08:47:19 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
08:47:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
08:47:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see stegmai, Wonsuk, Daniel, tmichel, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, trackbot
08:47:25 <Zakim> +Sophia
08:47:49 <tmichel> Florian, Please redial Zakim with "CONF2 " code
08:49:45 <wbailer> dates for next F2F: 6-7 Sept
08:50:23 <wbailer> colocated with I-Know / I-Semantics in Graz, AT
08:50:55 <stegmai> :)
08:52:04 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:04:32 <wbailer> http://prestoprime.joanneum.at
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09:06:09 <joakim> http://www.slideshare.net/troncy/finding-media-illustrating-events
09:08:04 <joakim> Xueliang Liu, Raphaël Troncy, and Benoit Huet. 2011. Finding media illustrating events. In Proceedings of the 1st ACM International Conference on Multimedia Retrieval (ICMR '11). ACM, New York, NY, USA, , Article 58 , 8 pages. DOI=10.1145/1991996.1992054 http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/1991996.1992054 
09:40:52 <wbailer> topic: finishing review of ontology examples
09:42:25 <wbailer> media rss example
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09:44:34 <Joakim> Topic: Verifying MRSS files
09:44:58 <Joakim> mediaresource should be declared
09:45:02 <wbailer> http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi
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09:47:24 <jsderber> lang should be changed to hasLanguage
09:47:43 <jsderber> locator is ok
09:47:56 <jsderber> contributor ok
09:47:58 <jsderber> creator ok
09:48:35 <jsderber> update mapping table to say N/A
09:48:47 <jsderber> location ok
09:49:01 <jsderber> decriptino is ok
09:49:08 <jsderber> keyword is ok
09:50:37 <Zakim> -Sophia
09:50:39 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:45Z has ended
09:50:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Sophia
09:50:51 <jsderber> update genre, drop "decription" and change examples
09:51:00 <jsderber> rating ok
09:51:33 <jsderber> collection ok
09:51:47 <jsderber> copyright ok
09:51:55 <jsderber> policy ok
09:52:25 <jsderber> publisher change to organisation
09:53:32 <jsderber> targetaudience ok
09:53:49 <jsderber> fragements missing!
09:53:53 <jsderber> namedfragements missing!
09:54:08 <jsderber> framesize ok
09:54:11 <jsderber> compression ok
09:54:23 <jsderber> duration ok
09:54:31 <jsderber> format ok
09:54:43 <jsderber> samplingrate ok
09:54:49 <jsderber> framerate ok
09:54:59 <jsderber> averageBitRate ok
09:55:07 <jsderber> numTracks ok
09:55:40 <jsderber> Topic: Verifying TXFeed
09:55:56 <jsderber> mediaresource is not declared!
09:56:04 <jsderber> idetifier ok
09:56:09 <jsderber> title ok
09:56:20 <jsderber> locator ok
09:56:36 <jsderber> contributor ok
09:56:38 <jsderber> creator ok
09:56:52 <jsderber> description ok
09:57:05 <jsderber> keyword ok
09:57:24 <jsderber> genre  same problem as for MediaRss !
09:57:46 <jsderber> relation is missing!
09:57:55 <jsderber> copyright ok
09:58:04 <jsderber> policy ok
09:58:27 <jsderber> framesize ok
09:58:42 <jsderber> compression ok
09:58:44 <jsderber> duration ok
09:58:46 <jsderber> format ok
09:59:33 <jsderber> samplingRare, frameRate averageBitRate and numTracks ok
11:48:22 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:59:14 <wbailer> topic: review of flash container example
12:05:59 <wbailer> [flv] media resource definition missing
12:06:19 <wbailer> [flv] rdf:datatype is missing
12:06:57 <wbailer> [flv] frameSize should be frameWidth, frameHeight and frameSizeUnit
12:07:19 <wbailer> [flv] duration must be decimal
12:08:27 <wbailer> [flv] average bit rate and number of tracks must be numeric
12:08:36 <wbailer> [flv] numTracks should numberOfTracks
12:10:16 <wbailer> [flv] frameSize, duration, compression, samplingRate, frameRate, averageBitRate and numTracks are present
12:10:46 <wbailer> moving to f4v example
12:12:11 <wbailer> [f4v] same comments as for flv apply
12:12:16 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:13:18 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:45Z has now started
12:13:25 <Zakim> +Sophia
12:21:21 <Zakim> +florian
12:21:58 <wbailer> topic: implementations
12:22:06 <wbailer> firefox plugin demo: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/Multi_Media/
12:24:07 <wbailer> firefox plugin demo: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/Multi_Media/
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12:24:47 <wbailer> firefox plugin demo: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/Multi_Media/
12:51:37 <wbailer> action: werner to draft text on criteria for test suite together with wonsuk and florian
12:51:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-430 - Draft text on criteria for test suite together with wonsuk and florian [on Werner Bailer - due 2011-07-06].
12:52:05 <wbailer> covering the issues: number of formats per implementation, defining what constitutes a feature, dealing with sync/async cae
12:52:09 <wbailer> s/cae/case/
12:55:57 <wbailer> proposal on this should be discussed in the following weeks
13:02:03 <wbailer> formats supported in implementations: dublin core, mpeg-7, youtube, id3
13:06:33 <Zakim> -florian
13:06:33 <wbailer> topic: schema.org
13:06:46 <wbailer> thierry: we are not the only group affected by this
13:09:58 <jsderber> http://schema.org/VideoObject
13:10:19 <wbailer> audio, video, image object directly overlap with MAWG work
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13:11:53 <wbailer> rdf mapping has been proposed at http://schema.rdfs.org 
13:13:43 <Zakim> -Sophia
13:13:44 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:45Z has ended
13:13:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Sophia, florian
13:14:14 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:14:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
13:15:04 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:45Z has now started
13:15:11 <Zakim> +Sophia
13:31:03 <wbailer> action: daniel to get contact information for talking to schema.org
13:31:03 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
13:32:20 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:02:02 <Zakim> -Sophia
14:02:06 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:45Z has ended
14:02:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Sophia
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14:13:41 <wbailer> topic: guidelines for ontology example files
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14:14:05 <wbailer> define some guidelines to ensure consistency of updated files
14:14:28 <tmichel> RDF syntax valid
14:14:52 <wbailer> define MediaResource and link description
14:15:17 <wbailer> complete namespace declarations and prefixes
14:15:34 <wbailer> correct use of rdf:dataType
14:16:44 <wbailer> drop ma:identifier in the RDF representation, but use rdf:about and/or rdf:ID instead
14:17:31 <wbailer> try to achieve completeness wrt the properties in the mapping tables
14:18:16 <wbailer> make sure that the vocabulary matches the ontology for media resources
14:18:25 <wbailer> avoid any other properties
14:19:34 <wbailer> make sure that the datatypes are up to date, eg for those that were changed from double to decimal
14:20:19 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
14:21:08 <wbailer> point to some best practice files as an example
14:22:20 <wbailer> we need to add column to mapping tables to check properties validated in the files
14:24:19 <wbailer> action: thierry to prepare tables with extra column for validating properties mapped in files
14:24:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-432 - Prepare tables with extra column for validating properties mapped in files [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-07-06].
14:24:53 <wbailer> table editors to fill the table when updating their files
14:25:14 <wbailer> use green checkmark and red cross to indicate coverage of properties in the files from the testsuite
14:25:20 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
14:25:30 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
14:27:02 <wbailer> topic: future directions
14:27:45 <wbailer> there is interest in semantic annotations, cf the discussion on including named graphs when processing lc comments of the ontology doc
14:28:45 <wbailer> participants of the wg to present results in their organisations to raise interest for implementations
14:29:37 <wbailer> apps and cloud services are interesting fields for future implementations of the api
14:31:13 <wbailer> previously collected issues http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Candidate_Additional_Elements
14:31:38 <wbailer> it might be useful to revisit the requirements in the use case doc and check those left aside in the first version
14:33:33 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:35:49 <wbailer> collect future issues at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Future_issues
14:35:54 <wbailer> all to add input there
14:36:44 <wbailer> wonsuk: possible topic is to extend coverage of metadata, eg add ebook metadata
14:37:12 <wbailer> add more normative mappings in future version
14:37:37 <wbailer> alignment with HTML WG
14:39:02 <wbailer> how to implement api in a harmonised way, eg with webapp
14:39:56 <wbailer> wonsuk: eg filereader api from webapp
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14:42:09 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:42:58 <wbailer> wonsuk: we should consider media capture api from dap
14:52:29 <wbailer> how to implement api in a harmonised way, eg with webapp
14:52:33 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:55:16 <wbailer> next telco: 5th of July
14:55:18 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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