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13:51:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:51:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
13:51:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:51:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
13:51:58 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2011
13:52:40 <francois> zakim, what conferences?
13:52:40 <Zakim> I see Team_(wf)13:01Z, Team_(RevCadence)9:00AM, Team_(mediaann)07:00Z active
13:52:43 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, IA_Team()10:00AM,
13:52:45 <Zakim> ... Team_(MEET)10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM, INC_SSN()9:00AM, MWI_BPWG()9:30AM
13:52:51 <francois> zakim, this will be WebTVIG
13:52:51 <Zakim> ok, francois; I see UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
13:52:51 <kaz> s/Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference/Home Networking TF Teleconference/
13:53:00 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jun/0176.html
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13:56:56 <Zakim> +Igarashi
13:56:59 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:56:59 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:57:00 <Zakim> -Igarashi
13:57:00 <Zakim> +Igarashi
13:57:00 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:57:14 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:57:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Igarashi, Kazuyuki
13:57:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, francois, trackbot
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13:59:48 <Zakim> +francois
13:59:56 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:59:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Igarashi, Kazuyuki, francois
13:59:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see davidmays, igarashi, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, francois, trackbot
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14:00:37 <aizu> hi kaz
14:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.408.356.aaaa
14:00:58 <Zakim> + +1.703.234.aabb
14:01:14 <Zakim> +David_Mays
14:01:25 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is aabb is Jerry_Ezrol
14:01:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is aabb is Jerry_Ezrol', kaz
14:01:37 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Jerry_Ezrol
14:01:37 <Zakim> +Jerry_Ezrol; got it
14:01:39 <Zakim> +??P19
14:01:51 <Zakim> +Bob_Lund
14:01:54 <kaz> zakim, ??P19 is Aizu
14:01:56 <Zakim> +Aizu; got it
14:01:58 <francois> zakim, aaaa is Richard_Bardini
14:02:03 <Zakim> +Richard_Bardini; got it
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14:03:17 <Zakim> +??P26
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14:03:38 <jcdufourd> zakim, ??P26 is jcdufourd
14:03:38 <Zakim> +jcdufourd; got it
14:03:50 <Zakim> +DongHyun_Kang
14:04:06 <kaz> Present: Igarashi, Kazuyuki, francois, Richard_Bardini, Jerry_Ezrol, David_Mays, Aizu, Bob_Lund, jcdufourd, DongHyun_Kang
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14:04:33 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jun/0176.html
14:04:50 <Zakim> +??P34
14:05:09 <kaz> zakim, ??P34 is Stevens
14:05:09 <Zakim> +Stevens; got it
14:05:31 <francois> zakim, pick up a victim
14:05:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick up a victim', francois
14:05:37 <francois> zakim, pick up a scribe
14:05:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick up a scribe', francois
14:05:42 <francois> zakim, pick a scribe
14:05:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Stevens
14:06:04 <kaz> zakim, Stevens is Clarke_Stevens
14:06:04 <Zakim> +Clarke_Stevens; got it
14:06:14 <Clarke> Clarke has joined #webtv
14:06:17 <francois> scribe: Clarke
14:06:28 <kaz> zakim, aizu is Hiroyuki_Aizu
14:06:28 <Zakim> +Hiroyuki_Aizu; got it
14:06:34 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
14:06:46 <kaz> zakim, Igarashi is Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:06:46 <Zakim> +Tatsuya_Igarashi; got it
14:06:51 <kaz> Present+ Mark_Vickers
14:06:56 <kaz> Chair: Francois
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14:07:13 <Clarke> Starting with migration issues
14:07:28 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-7 - Service Migration
14:07:30 <francois> ISSUE-7?
14:07:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Use case: Service Migration -- open
14:07:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/7
14:07:35 <davidmays> zakim davidmays is David_Mays
14:07:57 <davidmays> zakim, davidmays is David_Mays
14:07:57 <Zakim> +David_Mays; got it
14:08:03 <mav> Mark Vickers just joined. 
14:08:11 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/ServiceMigration Service Migration
14:08:47 <Clarke> Proposal to close issue 7
14:08:56 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: accept and close ISSUE-7
14:09:16 <Clarke> thx, kaz
14:09:56 <Clarke> Resolution: accept and close issue-7
14:10:05 <francois> close ISSUE-7
14:10:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 Use case: Service Migration closed
14:10:26 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-15, ISSUE-25 - Application push/pull Migration
14:10:33 <francois> ISSUE-15?
14:10:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- Document Migration -- raised
14:10:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/15
14:10:53 <francois> ISSUE-25?
14:10:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 -- Application Pull-Migration -- raised
14:10:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/25
14:11:23 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: accept and close ISSUE-15 and ISSUE-25
14:11:39 <kaz> q+
14:12:04 <francois> ack kaz 
14:13:15 <kaz> kaz: with their proposed titles?
14:13:18 <francois> [two use cases: issue-15 is application push migration, issue-25 is application pull migration]
14:14:26 <Clarke> accept and close ISSUE-15
14:14:44 <Clarke> resolution: accept and close ISSUE-15
14:15:02 <Clarke> resolution: accept and close ISSUE-25
14:15:16 <jcdufourd> s/resolution:/RESOLUTION:/g
14:15:22 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-20
14:15:27 <francois> [skip in Matt's absence
14:15:40 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-24 - Local Link of Web applications
14:15:44 <francois> ISSUE-24?
14:15:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Local Link of web applications -- raised
14:15:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/24
14:15:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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14:18:17 <Clarke> RESOLUTION: accept and close ISSUE-15
14:20:40 <Clarke> close ISSUE-15
14:20:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 Document Migration closed
14:20:52 <Clarke> close ISSUE-25
14:20:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Application Pull-Migration closed
14:21:04 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/LocalLink#Use_Case:_Local_Link_of_Web_Applications Wiki description on ISSUE-24
14:22:35 <kaz> igarashi: the above Wiki page describes several possible use cases as well as user scenarios
14:23:34 <kaz> ... we need to have system analysis based on user scenarios
14:25:08 <kaz> fd: yes.  a use case and several user scenarios following that which describes the use case
14:25:17 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/LocalLink Local Link
14:26:28 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:26:38 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: francois (4%), jcdufourd (75%)
14:27:04 <kaz> fd: issue-16 has overlap with this issue-24
14:28:03 <kaz> issue-16?
14:28:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 -- Web and Device Interworking -- raised
14:28:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/16
14:28:15 <Zakim> -Bob_Lund
14:28:24 <kaz> fd: issue-16 has to be merged with issue-24
14:28:38 <kaz> ... it's "Web and Device Interworking"
14:29:03 <jcdufourd> here is a quote from ISSUE-4 (accepted)
14:29:06 <jcdufourd> an interface to get a list of discovered services; an interface to get the list of messages exposed by a discovered service; an interface to send a message to a discovered service; an interface to set a listener for messages from a discovered service. 
14:29:23 <kaz> ... issue-16 is issue scenario rather than a use case
14:29:47 <kaz> s/... issue-16/fd: issue-16/
14:29:52 <kaz> issue-4?
14:29:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- Use Case: Service User Interface -- closed
14:29:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/4
14:30:32 <kaz> igarashi: existing proposed use cases could be categoraized into two categories
14:30:53 <kaz> ... generic ones and specific ones
14:31:21 <kaz> ... service specific ones and service agnostic(?) ones
14:31:33 <kaz> s/service/i.e., service/
14:31:53 <kaz> q+
14:32:43 <kaz> fd: please clarify what this (issue-24) use case covers and what is not
14:33:21 <kaz> igarashi: agree with Giuseppe that those user scenarios would be categorized into two
14:33:34 <francois> [proposal would be to see is issue-24 is covered by other issues. If it is, next step could be to extract the user scenarios listed and list them as use cases, as they help precise requirements]
14:35:11 <francois> igarashi: agree to create 3 issues based on user scenarios
14:35:41 <Clarke> kaz: proposal to analyze if there is common system interaction between these use cases
14:38:23 <Clarke> ACTION: jc to continue discussion on mailing list
14:38:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jc
14:38:53 <Clarke> ACTION: francois to continue discussion on mailing list
14:38:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Continue discussion on mailing list [on François Daoust - due 2011-07-05].
14:39:08 <kaz> s/ACTION: jc to continue discussion on mailing list//
14:39:45 <kaz> s/continue discussion on mailing list/continue discussion about issue-24 on mailing list/
14:39:59 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-16 - Web and Device Interworking
14:40:02 <francois> ISSUE-16?
14:40:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 -- Web and Device Interworking -- raised
14:40:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/16
14:42:56 <francois> [At the system interactions level, ISSUE-16 is covered by ISSUE-24]
14:43:03 <Clarke> action: francois to also continue issue-16 on mailing list
14:43:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Also continue issue-16 on mailing list [on François Daoust - due 2011-07-05].
14:43:07 <kaz> s/agnostic(?)/agnostic/
14:46:05 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-19 - Media Identification
14:46:10 <francois> ISSUE-19?
14:46:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- Media Identification -- raised
14:46:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/19
14:46:18 <francois> [propose to skip in Matt's absence]
14:47:42 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-21, ISSUE-22 - Time Synchronization
14:47:43 <Clarke> francois: all remaining issues are from Matt and Russell who are not on the call today
14:48:29 <francois> Topic: ISSUE-17 (and derived) - Home Network Enabled User-Agent
14:50:37 <francois> ISSUE-17?
14:50:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent -- raised
14:50:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/17
14:50:43 <kaz> q+
14:50:48 <francois> [ISSUE-17 got split into ISSUE-26, 27, 28, 29, 30]
14:52:01 <francois> fd: happy about the split.
14:52:09 <francois> ... any concerns here?
14:52:11 <francois> ack kaz 
14:52:27 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:52:38 <francois> clarke: I think those are important use cases. It goes with compatibility with existing devices that are out there.
14:52:40 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tatsuya_Igarashi (4%), francois (55%), Clarke_Stevens (23%)
14:52:45 <francois> ... important objective of this group.
14:53:37 <francois> jean-claude: discussed about the different levels, between the lower use cases already accepted, and higher use cases such as this one.
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14:54:01 <mav> q+
14:54:04 <francois> clarke: you're saying we need to cover the use cases but may not need a specific API for each of these use cases, is that right?
14:54:17 <francois> jcd: yes.
14:55:13 <igarashi> q+
14:55:17 <francois> mark: just to clarify, use cases will be prioritized afterwards, right?
14:55:21 <francois> francois: yes.
14:55:24 <francois> ack mav
14:55:43 <kaz> q?
14:55:45 <kaz> ack iga
14:56:03 <francois> igarashi: if we talk about low level APIs, user scenarios do not have much meaning.
14:56:20 <kaz> s/francois: yes/francois+kaz:/
14:56:40 <kaz> s/francois+kaz:/francois+kaz: yes/
14:56:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:58:28 <francois> francois: yes, precisely, but a low-level API is already a "possibly solution". At this stage,  I think user scenarios are important to discuss and should be what compose the use cases and requirements.
15:00:26 <kaz> igarashi: thinks prioritizing use cases is important to clarify what kind/level of APIs are needed
15:01:15 <Zakim> -Jerry_Ezrol
15:01:16 <Clarke> francois: please discuss on mailing list so we can just approve them next time
15:01:32 <Zakim> -David_Mays.a
15:01:48 <Clarke> francois: kaz to host calls next two weeks if needed
15:01:51 <Zakim> -jcdufourd
15:01:54 <Zakim> -Clarke_Stevens
15:01:58 <Zakim> -francois
15:02:00 <Zakim> -Tatsuya_Igarashi
15:02:03 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:02:11 <Zakim> -Hiroyuki_Aizu
15:02:13 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:02:26 <Zakim> -Richard_Bardini
15:03:13 <Zakim> -DongHyun_Kang
15:03:14 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has ended
15:03:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, francois, +1.408.356.aaaa, +1.703.234.aabb, David_Mays, Jerry_Ezrol, Bob_Lund, Richard_Bardini, jcdufourd, DongHyun_Kang, Clarke_Stevens, Hiroyuki_Aizu,
15:03:20 <Zakim> ... Mark_Vickers, Tatsuya_Igarashi
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15:09:55 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:09:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-minutes.html francois
15:28:50 <francois> ACTION: giuseppe to integrate ISSUE-7, ISSUE-15 and ISSUE-25 in use cases and requirements document
15:28:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Integrate ISSUE-7, ISSUE-15 and ISSUE-25 in use cases and requirements document [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2011-07-05].
15:32:23 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
15:32:23 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-actions.rdf :
15:32:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jc to continue discussion on mailing list [1]
15:32:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-irc#T14-38-23
15:32:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: francois to continue discussion on mailing list [2]
15:32:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-irc#T14-38-53
15:32:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: francois to also continue issue-16 on mailing list [3]
15:32:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-irc#T14-43-03
15:32:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: giuseppe to integrate ISSUE-7, ISSUE-15 and ISSUE-25 in use cases and requirements document [4]
15:32:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-webtv-irc#T15-28-50
15:32:24 <francois> zakim, bye
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