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13:56:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
13:56:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:54 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:56:54 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2011
13:57:13 <manu1> Chair: Manu
13:57:14 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
13:57:21 <Zakim> +SebastianGermesin
13:57:38 <manu1> Present: Manu, Sebastian, Gregg Kellogg
13:57:47 <manu1> Regrets: Ivan, Steven Pemberton
13:58:25 <gkellogg> what is the conference code?
13:58:34 <SebastianGermesin> 7332
13:58:34 <Zakim> +??P18
13:58:35 <manu1> zakim, code?
13:58:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu1
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14:00:09 <Zakim> + +1.415.459.aaaa
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14:01:20 <Zakim> +Knud
14:01:25 <Zakim> + +1.781.866.aabb
14:01:42 <manu1> zakim, gregg is aaaa
14:01:42 <Zakim> sorry, manu1, I do not recognize a party named 'gregg'
14:01:43 <scor> scor has joined #rdfa
14:01:52 <manu1> zakim, gkellogg is aaaa
14:01:52 <Zakim> sorry, manu1, I do not recognize a party named 'gkellogg'
14:02:10 <manu1> zakim, aaaa is gkellogg
14:02:10 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
14:02:20 <Zakim> +hta
14:02:33 <tomayac> zakim, +hta is me
14:02:36 <Zakim> sorry, tomayac, I do not recognize a party named '+hta'
14:02:55 <tomayac> member:zakimhta is me
14:03:01 <scor> # who is on the phone?
14:03:09 <scor> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ??P18, gkellogg, Knud, +1.781.866.aabb, hta
14:03:11 <tomayac> zakim, hta is me
14:03:12 <Zakim> +tomayac; got it
14:03:13 <gkellogg> zakim, +1.415.459.aaaa is me
14:03:13 <Zakim> sorry, gkellogg, I do not recognize a party named '+1.415.459.aaaa'
14:03:22 <scor> zakim, aabb is scor 
14:03:22 <Zakim> +scor; got it
14:03:53 <scor> back in a min
14:04:51 <Knud> zakim, mute me
14:04:51 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
14:04:54 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call?
14:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ??P18, gkellogg, Knud (muted), scor, tomayac
14:05:12 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P18
14:05:12 <Zakim> +manu1; got it
14:05:16 <MacTed> MacTed has joined #rdfa
14:05:21 <scor> I'm back
14:05:48 <scor> zakim, who is making noise?
14:05:57 <scor> I can
14:05:59 <manu1> Present: Ted, Stephane, Gregg, Knud, Manu, Thomas Steiner, Knud
14:06:02 <Zakim> scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: manu1 (54%)
14:06:06 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
14:06:16 <scor> noise coming from manu1 
14:06:18 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:06:20 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
14:06:21 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
14:06:21 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
14:06:29 <gkellogg> zakim, mute me
14:06:29 <Zakim> gkellogg should now be muted
14:06:35 <Zakim> -manu1
14:06:47 <scor> wow, such a  difference
14:06:54 <scor> hi Knud :)
14:07:01 <Knud> Hi Stephane!
14:07:17 <Zakim> +??P18
14:07:20 <scor> nope
14:07:23 <gkellogg> nope
14:07:42 <Knud> no
14:07:45 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:07:45 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
14:07:56 <Zakim> -??P18
14:08:23 <scor> manu1: we can probably live with it if there is no other way
14:08:28 <manu1> zakim, code?
14:08:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu1
14:08:51 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
14:08:51 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
14:08:52 <Zakim> +??P18
14:08:58 <scor> a bit
14:08:59 <Knud> a little better
14:09:00 <gkellogg> a little
14:09:05 <scor> it's ok
14:09:52 <gkellogg> zakim, unumte me
14:09:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unumte me', gkellogg
14:10:00 <gkellogg> zakim, unmute me
14:10:00 <Zakim> gkellogg should no longer be muted
14:10:05 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:10:05 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
14:10:19 <manu1> scribenick: manu1
14:10:32 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
14:10:32 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
14:10:35 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0056.html
14:11:56 <manu1> Topic: Introductions - Henri, Gregg, Stéphane
14:12:30 <manu1> Gregg: Hi - been working with RDFa for about 3 years - Ruby parser - started by Ben Adida
14:12:40 <manu1> Gregg: implemented entire RDF stack and SPARQL 1.0 implementation.
14:13:46 <manu1> Gregg: Fairly active on RDFa mailing list - also worked with Gracenote major, music label for new packaging for systems for music
14:14:10 <manu1> Gregg: Connected Media Experience - chaired that WG - architect for that for a number of years - worked w/ Manu as IE (because of RDFa aspects)
14:14:58 <manu1> Gregg: Interest in RDF/RDFa/Linked Data has been all consuming :)
14:15:03 <gkellogg> Blog post on CME and RDF: http://greggkellogg.net/2011/05/06/cme-and-the-semantic-web
14:15:18 <manu1> Stephane: Started with RDFa 4 years ago - started at DERI - try my best to advocate RDFa in Drupal.
14:15:43 <manu1> Stephane: 2009 - led work to integrate RDFa into Drupal 7 - been deployed on 50,000 sites!
14:16:18 <manu1> Stephane: I do other RDF-related work in Drupal. Also contributed 2 chapters to a Drupal book, being published this month or next month - one of the chapters is on RDFa in Drupal 7
14:16:49 <gkellogg> zakim, mute me
14:16:49 <Zakim> gkellogg should now be muted
14:17:06 <manu1> Manu: (intro for Henri)
14:17:26 <scor> hi tomayac!
14:17:30 <manu1> Topic: TAG discussion on RDFa/Microdata
14:17:42 <manu1> Link to TAG discussion: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/06/16-minutes.html
14:18:12 <tomayac> manu1, could you clarify what of this discussion is public?
14:20:09 <manu1> Manu: Explanation of what TAG discussion entailed
14:22:15 <tomayac> thanks for the clarification, manu1
14:22:56 <tomayac> still i feel like proactively tweeting about the situation is wrong. reactively responding seems more adequate. can you confirm?
14:23:41 <manu1> Stephane: What does the TAG do?
14:29:04 <gkellogg> Believe Google position is that people get RDFa markup wrong; specifying prefixes is part of the problem.
14:29:40 <scor> RDFa is also suffering from all the more complex RDFa 1.0 snippets available online
14:30:03 <scor> which gives people this impression of overly complex syntax
14:31:12 <manu1> Thomas: At some point, I'll try to contact more Google folks...
14:31:20 <SebastianGermesin> what can we do to put the thought "RDFa 1.1 is simpler than 1.0"? is there a plan?
14:32:46 <scor> convert microdata snippet in RDFa 1.1 and compare the differences
14:32:59 <scor> s/snippet/snippets
14:33:58 <manu1> Sebastian: Why don't we show why RDFa 1.1 is better than RDFa 1.0
14:34:03 <scor> manu1 wrote a blog post about that
14:34:28 <scor> http://manu.sporny.org/2011/rdfa-microdata-features/ covers some of this
14:34:32 <manu1> https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf
14:34:52 <manu1> https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/examples/Thing
14:36:37 <manu1> Manu: It would be great if we help Michael with the examples, and if we blog about this.
14:37:52 <manu1> ACTION: Sebastian to write a blog post summarizing why RDFa 1.1 is better than RDFa 1.0
14:37:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Write a blog post summarizing why RDFa 1.1 is better than RDFa 1.0 [on Sebastian Germesin - due 2011-06-30].
14:38:11 <gkellogg> Sure, I'll help with examples.
14:38:25 <gkellogg> MicroFormat examples might be good too
14:38:26 <manu1> ACTION: Gregg to write up a couple of RDFa 1.1 examples for schema.org
14:38:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Gregg
14:39:19 <scor> manu1: no problem
14:39:32 <gkellogg> * Can hear okay, but background noise makes it hard to understand
14:42:07 <gkellogg> Like to see @profile in basic
14:42:55 <gkellogg> zakim, unmute me
14:42:55 <Zakim> gkellogg should no longer be muted
14:43:32 <manu1> Gregg: May we should consider @coerce in @profiles?
14:44:14 <gkellogg> Maybe limited set of NCName'd profiles, such as hCard, ...
14:45:44 <manu1> Stephane: Would slimmed down version include RDFa Default Profile?
14:45:56 <manu1> Stephane: What is the reason to use advanced configuration?
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14:48:44 <manu1> Manu: explanation on why a stripped down version may be interesting.
14:48:56 <manu1> Stephane: They had issues w/ @property and @rel too
14:49:14 <manu1> Stephane: Keep @property and take out @rel
14:50:53 <Knud> I agree: different versions of RDFa need to be downwards compatible.
14:50:58 <manu1> Stephane: Already pulled out @resource and @rev - bc is already broken... right?
14:52:52 <manu1> Topic: Last Call comment deadline in HTML WG
14:53:08 <manu1> Manu: Microdata and RDFa Last Call comments due by early August
14:54:32 <manu1> Gregg: I think we should definitely log issues w/ RDF issues w/ Microdata.
14:55:16 <manu1> Gregg: Goals of Microdata and RDFa were different - RDF generated by Microdata should be made easier to process by RDF tools
14:56:45 <manu1> Stephane: A few people have already pointed out some bugs - for example: The ways URIs are generated.
15:00:00 <manu1> Manu: We should make our concerns with Microdata known as LC comments.
15:01:21 <manu1> Gregg: I think we need to comment - there is no good reason for doing two things. Corollary: Types of triples generated in Microdata should not diverge from what RDF has been doing.
15:01:29 <SebastianGermesin> +1 for commeting
15:01:40 <gkellogg> +1
15:03:36 <Zakim> -tomayac
15:03:38 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:03:38 <Zakim> -gkellogg
15:03:39 <Zakim> -scor
15:03:41 <Zakim> -SebastianGermesin
15:03:42 <Zakim> -Knud
15:03:42 <Zakim> -??P18
15:03:42 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
15:03:43 <Zakim> Attendees were SebastianGermesin, +1.415.459.aaaa, Knud, +1.781.866.aabb, gkellogg, tomayac, scor, manu1, MacTed
15:04:00 <gkellogg> zakim, aaaa is gkellogg
15:04:00 <Zakim> sorry, gkellogg, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:50 <gkellogg> gkellogg has left #rdfa
15:26:34 <SebastianGermesin> throw new TooMuchTechnologyException() 
15:26:35 <SebastianGermesin> ;)
15:26:44 <manu1> :)
15:34:10 <scor> SebastianGermesin: I'd be happy to review your blog post on the differences between RDFa 1.0 and 1.1 when it's ready - make sure to send a link to the mailing list!
15:34:59 <SebastianGermesin> @scor: thank you
15:35:15 <SebastianGermesin> I will post it to the list first before putting it public
15:35:30 <SebastianGermesin> actually, i have a question, maybe a silly one:
15:35:50 <SebastianGermesin> this here refers to RDFa 1.0? http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/
15:36:06 <manu1> yes
15:36:10 <manu1> That's the RDFa 1.0 spec
15:36:12 <SebastianGermesin> and this document to the current (official) status of 1.1? http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-core/
15:36:25 <manu1> yes, that's correct.
15:36:33 <SebastianGermesin> ok, that's how iunderstood them but i just wanted to check again
15:36:35 <SebastianGermesin> thanks
15:36:44 <manu1> np - and thanks for writing that blog post :)
15:37:13 <SebastianGermesin> no problem :)
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