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13:48:27 <antoine> rrsagent, bookmark
13:48:27 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T13-48-27
13:48:36 <antoine> zakim, this will be lld
13:48:36 <Zakim> ok, antoine; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
13:48:46 <antoine> Meeting:   LLD XG
13:48:53 <antoine> Chair:     Antoine
13:49:08 <antoine> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0068.html
13:49:41 <antoine> Previous:  2010-06-16 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html
13:50:43 <antoine> Regrets: Marcia, Emma, Tom, Peter, Lars, Karen, Joachim
13:50:53 <antoine> rrsagent, please make record public
13:50:59 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:50:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html antoine
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13:56:14 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
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13:56:46 <Zakim> +??P16
13:56:52 <antoine> zakim, ??P16 is me
13:56:52 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
13:57:05 <antoine> zakim, aaaa is jodi
13:57:05 <Zakim> +jodi; got it
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14:00:00 <ww> zakim, ??P21 is me
14:00:00 <Zakim> +ww; got it
14:00:06 <ww> zakim, mute
14:00:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', ww
14:00:11 <ww> zakim, please mute me
14:00:11 <Zakim> ww should now be muted
14:00:13 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html
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14:00:44 <antoine> Scribe: Monica
14:00:50 <antoine> Scribenick: monica
14:01:09 <Zakim> +AZ
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14:01:17 <Zakim> +michaelp
14:01:19 <Zakim> -michaelp
14:01:33 <antoine> zakim, AZ is really kai
14:01:35 <Zakim> +kai; got it
14:01:46 <Zakim> +michaelp
14:01:54 <jeff_> zakim, michaelp is me
14:01:54 <Zakim> +jeff_; got it
14:02:14 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:02:21 <antoine> zakim, LC is rayd
14:02:21 <Zakim> +rayd; got it
14:02:38 <jeff_> zakim, mute me
14:02:38 <Zakim> jeff_ should now be muted
14:02:52 <monica> Topic: ADMIN
14:03:06 <monica> Antoine: any comments on the minutes?
14:03:16 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html
14:03:17 <monica> PROPOSED: To accept http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/15-lld-minutes.html
14:03:21 <monica> --accepted
14:03:28 <antoine> s/PROPOSED/RESOLVED
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14:03:42 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:03:43 <kefo> zakim, LC is me
14:03:43 <Zakim> +kefo; got it
14:03:53 <monica> Topic: FINAL REPORT
14:03:54 <kefo> zakim, mute me please
14:03:54 <Zakim> kefo should now be muted
14:04:17 <monica> Antoine: draft call circulated yesterday, to be sent to various lists identified
14:04:36 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0023.html 
14:05:12 <monica> Jodi: everything fine, but links at the bottom might be better in-line, for reference
14:05:42 <monica> Antoine: agreed, good comment
14:05:56 <monica> ...can we move on to the blog?
14:06:14 <monica> ACTION: Monica to set up blog for comments on Monday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action05] 
14:06:16 <monica> -- DONE: http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/w3clld/
14:07:05 <antoine> monica: digress.it should be happening soon
14:07:32 <antoine> ... hope it will be there tomorrow
14:07:39 <antoine> ... there will be one day downtime
14:08:36 <antoine> monica: downtime before content is put there?
14:08:45 <antoine> Jodi: downtime first would be better
14:09:36 <antoine> Monica: today or first thing tomorrow?
14:11:04 <monica> Antoine: Monica, Jodi, KAren and Antoine are registered as admin
14:11:15 <monica> ...do we have time to publish the content quickly?
14:11:24 <monica> s/Karen/emma/
14:11:34 <monica> s/KAren/emma/
14:12:10 <monica> ..the idea is to post all the sections as separate items and use feature of the blog to re-organise the content according to the structure of the report
14:12:33 <monica> s/..the/...the/
14:13:10 <monica> ...we have been discussing between us as we answered the call for admins, but others are welcome to join
14:13:23 <monica> ...anyone interested in this effort over coming 2-3 days?
14:13:35 <monica> jodi: we should solicit other people to be involved
14:13:46 <monica> ...I'm happy to moderate comments
14:14:18 <monica> Antoine: if no-one on call would like to volunteer it might be difficult to get them later
14:14:42 <monica> ACTION: Monica to send email to ask for more volunteers otherwise we will continue on our own
14:15:12 <monica> Antoine: What should we post on this blog?
14:15:20 <monica> ...One post per section
14:15:34 <monica> ...from previous discussion these posts should link to the live version on teh wiki page
14:15:39 <monica> s/teh/the/
14:16:09 <monica> Jodi: thinking about the versioning issue - not sure I can add more useful comments
14:16:24 <monica> Antoine: content can be updated folllowing any further observations
14:16:34 <monica> s/folllowing/following/
14:16:54 <monica> keeping track of commentary/reviews --- discussion at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0045.html
14:17:07 <monica> Antoine: we need to be careful not to lose track of comments
14:17:21 <monica> ...should each section keep track of comments to it?
14:17:30 <monica> ...or should it be done on assigned reviewers page
14:17:49 <monica> ...many section editors are not here today so it may be difficult to reach consensus today
14:17:57 <monica> ...any strong preference from people here
14:18:10 <monica> Jodi: it would be better if someone was overall in charge of keeping track
14:18:12 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:18:18 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
14:18:18 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
14:18:19 <monica> ...not sure it matters where the comments go
14:18:33 <monica> ...as long as we can see them all in one place
14:18:47 <monica> Antoine: somewhere centralised would make it easier
14:19:00 <monica> ...we would then need a volunteer
14:19:12 <monica> ...could we rotate volunteers?
14:19:28 <monica> ...one for past emails, then rotate for two weeks
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14:19:44 <monica> Jodi: agree with volunteer rotation
14:20:05 <monica> Antoine: volunteer is to put the email on the wiki page and acknowledge receipt
14:20:11 <dvilasuero> Hi, sorry I am having problems with my ip caller
14:20:24 <monica> ...it is polite to send a reply to say we are considering the comments
14:20:40 <monica> ...no objection - volunteers?
14:20:46 <monica> zakim, mute me
14:20:46 <Zakim> monica should now be muted
14:21:03 <monica> Antoine: volunteer for past comments
14:21:14 <jeff_> I'll volunteer for next week.
14:21:23 <monica> I can do the ones for the two weeks after
14:21:54 <monica> Antoine: I do not think we will have hundreds
14:21:54 <kai> Too stressy in the moment, in fact I am not allowed to volunteer for anything ;-)
14:22:47 <monica> ACTION Antoine to keep track and answer comments until today
14:23:36 <monica> ACTION Jeff to keep track of further comments between June 24 and July ?
14:23:51 <antoine> s/July ?/June 30
14:24:02 <monica> s/July ?/June 30
14:24:24 <monica> ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8
14:24:41 <monica> zakim, unmute me
14:24:41 <Zakim> monica should no longer be muted
14:24:51 <monica> Antoine we will then seek further volunteers
14:24:56 <monica> ...in teh coming calls
14:25:00 <monica> s/teh/the/
14:25:16 <monica> EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
14:25:19 <Zakim> -kai
14:25:25 <monica> LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
14:25:32 <monica> BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
14:25:41 <monica> Antione: Ed, anything to report on Benefits?
14:25:42 <Zakim> +kai
14:25:46 <monica> ...next one
14:25:54 <monica> AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
14:25:56 <jeff_> zakim, unmute me
14:25:56 <Zakim> jeff_ should no longer be muted
14:26:04 <monica> Antoine: not much to say on this either
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14:26:12 <monica> RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
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14:26:18 <monica> Antoine: Jeff any comments?
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14:26:32 <monica> Jeff: some discussion off-line which has been reflected on the page
14:26:47 <monica> ...more feedback from John Phiipps, we will discuss off-line then incorporate into teh page
14:26:51 <monica> s/teh/the/
14:27:03 <monica> Antoine: so the comments can be integrated without too much problem?
14:27:16 <monica> Jeff: yes I think so, after discussion between a couple of us
14:27:31 <monica> ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html#action04] -- 2011-06-16: Gordon added as reviewer
14:27:35 <monica> --continues
14:27:58 <monica> Anoine: maybe we can elaborate on one of the calls
14:28:06 <monica> IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
14:28:13 <monica> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12]
14:28:15 <monica> --continues
14:28:27 <jeff_> zakim, mute me
14:28:27 <Zakim> jeff_ should now be muted
14:28:36 <monica> Jodi: nothing ot add today on this section
14:28:43 <monica> RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
14:28:46 <monica> --continues
14:28:52 <monica> sot/to/
14:29:03 <monica> s/ot/to/
14:29:21 <monica> LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset
14:29:30 <jeff_> zakim, unmute me
14:29:30 <Zakim> jeff_ should no longer be muted
14:29:31 <monica> Antoine: comments received but not looked at yet
14:29:42 <monica> Jeff: not looked in detail yet either
14:29:51 <monica> Antoine: we need some time to digest the comments
14:29:51 <jeff_> zakim, mute me
14:29:51 <Zakim> jeff_ should now be muted
14:30:03 <monica> USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
14:30:10 <monica> ACTION: Jodi to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action14]
14:30:12 <monica> --done
14:30:24 <monica> Antoine: how are things going there?
14:30:42 <monica> Jodi: some use cases are still being worked on, or waiting from response
14:31:04 <monica> Antoine: do we need to ask people to contribute stuff? Daniel had sent some emails to ask for input
14:31:14 <monica> ...Daniel maybe send some reminders
14:31:23 <antoine> daniel, are you here?
14:31:28 <dvilasuero> Yes
14:31:49 <antoine> can you send reminders to the people who have not answered your request for contribution?
14:31:54 <dvilasuero> I am here, I am waiting for an answer from Jodi and Uldis and Gordon/Karen
14:32:00 <antoine> we need to make progress on this
14:32:03 <dvilasuero> yes, I will do
14:32:20 <dvilasuero> I have sent emails yesterday regarding this
14:32:31 <monica> Antoine: we will check again on progress on this next week
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14:32:39 <dvilasuero> and I still need to finish some individual use cases
14:32:47 <monica> ...it would be  apity to end up with an incomplete deliverable given the work done on this document already
14:32:53 <dvilasuero> but there is not much left to do
14:32:56 <monica> s/apity/a pity/
14:33:08 <tbaker> (joining irc-only, from Beijing)
14:33:10 <monica> Antoine: that completes the deliverables. Any other business?
14:33:37 <dvilasuero> there are just some parragraphs of two clusters + 10 individual uc short summaries
14:33:54 <monica> ...this call was expected to be short, we are entering summer period, we would expect calls to get shorter.
14:34:09 <monica> ...meeting is adjourned.
14:34:10 <dvilasuero> It will not end up incomplete for sure
14:34:12 <Zakim> -kefo
14:34:13 <Zakim> -jeff_
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14:34:16 <Zakim> -rayd
14:34:17 <Zakim> -jodi
14:34:20 <antoine> ok, daniel!
14:34:23 <jodi> jodi has left #LLD
14:34:25 <Zakim> -kai
14:34:26 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:34:32 <Zakim> -edsu
14:34:37 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:34:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:34:38 <Zakim> -ww
14:34:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, monica
14:34:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see tbaker, dvilasuero, kai, rayd, monica, ww, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, rsinger, edsu
14:35:18 <antoine> ACTION: Antoine to keep track and answer comments until today
14:35:32 <antoine> ACTION: Jeff to keep track of further comments between June 24 and June 30
14:35:42 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:35:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:36:04 <tbaker> hi, antoine - just got back from dinner...
14:36:14 <antoine> ACTION: Monica to set up blog for comments on Monday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action05]
14:36:16 <antoine> --DONE
14:36:20 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:36:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:38:33 <antoine> zakim, please list attendees
14:38:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.763.463.aaaa, antoine, jodi, monica, ww, kai, jeff_, rayd, kefo, edsu
14:39:15 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:39:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:39:41 <tbaker> short call?
14:40:39 <antoine> yes!
14:40:42 <Zakim> -monica
14:40:44 <antoine> (hi Tom!)
14:41:03 <antoine> yes, many regrets, and we did not have time to really read the reviews
14:41:21 <antoine> I think also the end of June is a terrible period for people to do "side" work
14:41:31 <antoine> how are you in China?
14:41:45 <Zakim> -antoine
14:41:46 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
14:41:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.763.463.aaaa, antoine, jodi, monica, ww, kai, jeff_, rayd, kefo, edsu
14:42:00 <antoine> zakim, bye
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14:42:05 <antoine> rrsagent, bye
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-actions.rdf :
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica to set up blog for comments on Monday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action05]  [1]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-06-14
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica to send email to ask for more volunteers otherwise we will continue on our own [2]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-14-42
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8 [3]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-24-24
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html#action04] -- 2011-06-16: Gordon added as reviewer [4]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-27-31
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12] [5]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-28-13
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jodi to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action14] [6]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-30-10
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to keep track and answer comments until today [7]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-35-18
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeff to keep track of further comments between June 24 and June 30 [8]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-35-32
14:42:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica to set up blog for comments on Monday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action05] [9]
14:42:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-irc#T14-36-14
14:42:10 <tbaker> ok, just got back from dinner