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12:18:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:18:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
12:18:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:18:28 <trackbot> Date: 22 June 2011
12:18:33 <shadi> chair: shadi
12:18:38 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:18:58 <shadi> agenda+ Reminder of Evaluation Methodology Task Force
12:19:09 <shadi> agenda+ Processing EARL comments
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12:25:37 <cstrobbe> Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Jun/0008.html
12:25:55 <cstrobbe> zakim, how are you doing? ;-)
12:25:55 <Zakim> I'm glad that smiley is there, cstrobbe
12:26:08 <cstrobbe> zakim, agenda?
12:26:08 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
12:26:10 <Zakim> 1. Welcome [from shadi]
12:26:12 <Zakim> 2. Reminder of Evaluation Methodology Task Force [from shadi]
12:26:13 <Zakim> 3. Processing EARL comments [from shadi]
12:29:58 <cstrobbe> rrsagent, pointer?
12:29:58 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-er-irc#T12-29-58
12:30:08 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:30:08 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:30:09 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:10 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:33:16 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
12:34:40 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
12:35:32 <carlos> carlos has joined #er
12:36:21 <Zakim> + +975195aaaa
12:36:47 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Emanuelle
12:36:47 <Zakim> +Emanuelle; got it
12:37:41 <Zakim> + +30231125aabb
12:37:54 <shadi> zakim, aabb is Kostas
12:37:54 <Zakim> +Kostas; got it
12:38:04 <sinarmaya> sinarmaya has joined #er
12:39:03 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
12:39:07 <shadi> scribenick: carlos
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12:39:12 <shadi> agenda?
12:39:24 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:39:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
12:40:21 <carlos> SAZ: questions or comments about last meeting?
12:40:30 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/
12:41:02 <carlos> SAZ: have finished official comments period
12:41:44 <carlos> SAZ: quite a bunch of comments received. Good thing
12:42:21 <carlos> SAZ: substancial comments from Sean
12:42:33 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:42:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Reminder of Evaluation Methodology Task Force" taken up [from shadi]
12:42:45 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/eval-tf
12:42:53 <carlos> SAZ: don't see any CR stopper
12:42:58 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/
12:43:23 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/testing-ig-charter.html
12:43:26 <carlos> SAZ: but need to process them
12:43:53 <carlos> SAZ: discussion WG vs. IG
12:44:07 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Testing/Requirements
12:44:43 <carlos> SAZ: requirements are very elaborated and extensive
12:45:54 <carlos> SAZ: need to recruit people for the TF
12:46:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/eval-tf
12:46:44 <carlos> SAZ: it is not an EO TF
12:47:51 <carlos> SAZ: it is an ERT and WCAG one because is technical
12:48:14 <carlos> SAZ: could be reviewed by EO to make it more 'educational'
12:48:41 <carlos> SAZ: do expect 6 hours per week of work in the TF
12:49:51 <carlos> CS: where to point people potentially interested in the TF?
12:50:07 <carlos> SAZ: please point to the TF web page
12:50:59 <carlos> SAZ: participants need to agree to the terms and conditions of the WG
12:51:12 <sinarmaya> I think that is important make a call to the "old", not +65 but people working from long time in the wcag redaction.
12:51:15 <carlos> SAZ: but do not need to be a GS participant
12:52:28 <carlos> EGR: we need people with experience dealing with WCAG low-level details
12:53:22 <carlos> EGR: people with background in accessibility issues
12:54:17 <carlos> SAZ: also important to have people with accessibility experience but also with new perspectives
12:56:16 <carlos> CI: what are the expected tasks?
12:56:27 <carlos> SAZ: try not to start from zero
12:56:48 <carlos> SAZ: lots of thinks out there about a11y methodologies
12:58:02 <carlos> SAZ: review current work and try to find consensus
12:59:27 <carlos> SAZ: the more active participants that can make action items the best
12:59:45 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:59:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Processing EARL comments" taken up [from shadi]
13:00:40 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/
13:00:53 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/
13:01:20 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0000.html
13:01:45 <carlos> SAZ: most of them from Sean Palmer
13:02:04 <carlos> SAZ: can go through by date
13:03:12 <carlos> SAZ: first one just a 'metabug'
13:03:14 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0001.html
13:03:47 <carlos> SAZ: nothing to resolve at 0000
13:05:05 <carlos> SAZ: about the classes hierarchy
13:05:12 <carlos> SAZ: discussed before
13:05:33 <carlos> SAZ: hierarchy or importance is relative
13:07:04 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#classes
13:07:06 <carlos> SAZ: do people feel that it is important to clarify importance or hierarchy in the document?
13:07:23 <carlos> CI: don't think so, maybe in a guide, but not in a spec
13:08:19 <carlos> SAZ: having diagrams sounds like a good idea
13:08:35 <carlos> SAZ: better in the guide rather than here
13:08:44 <sinarmaya> ok
13:10:16 <carlos> SAZ: proposal to be more explanatory in the guide but keep the guide straightforward
13:11:08 <shadi> RESOLUTION: explain to the commenter that background information about the Schema (including potentially diagrams and such) belong in the Developer Guide, so that the Schema spec itself remains succint
13:12:00 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0002.html
13:12:28 <carlos> SAZ: probably the most important from Sean
13:12:56 <carlos> SAZ: Conforming sec
13:13:21 <carlos> SAZ: first at  spec, then moved into the guide
13:14:08 <carlos> SAZ: asking for moving it back to the schema
13:14:27 <carlos> SAZ: need to reopen the issue again and think about it
13:14:34 <cstrobbe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Jun/0000.html
13:15:16 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0004.html
13:15:44 <sinarmaya> I agree with Sean, the conformance must be normative, and then should be in the specification.
13:16:10 <carlos> SAZ: 0004 related to 0002
13:16:39 <carlos> SAZ: was one of the reasons for moving conformance to the guide
13:18:26 <carlos> SAZ: can issue EARL with a evalution profile and let people add new ones
13:20:06 <carlos> SAZ: if you put the profile in the schema will be difficult to extend due to REC track
13:21:46 <carlos> SAZ: could check with other groups how they manage profiles
13:22:50 <carlos> SAZ: need to look at what the relation between conformance and profiles is
13:23:03 <carlos> SAZ: also need to think about how to manage them
13:24:10 <carlos> SAZ: e.g. a section about them in the spec but details elsewhere
13:24:14 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0003.html
13:25:13 <carlos> ACTION: shadi and ciglesia to check other profile concepts within different WGs and see how they could fit here
13:25:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - And ciglesia to check other profile concepts within different WGs and see how they could fit here [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-06-29].
13:25:24 <carlos> ACTION: ciglesia to check other profile concepts within different WGs and see how they could fit here
13:25:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Check other profile concepts within different WGs and see how they could fit here [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2011-06-29].
13:26:07 <Zakim> -Emanuelle
13:27:11 <carlos> SAZ: having a profile with some built-in constraints in there
13:28:30 <carlos> SAZ: please continue to read comments
13:28:59 <carlos> SAZ: don't hesitate to send your comments to the lists
13:29:13 <carlos> SAZ: need involvement
13:29:21 <shadi> topic: Next meeting
13:30:03 <Zakim> -Kostas
13:30:06 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:30:12 <carlos> SAZ: next meeting next week June 29th
13:30:13 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:30:21 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:30:21 <shadi> Wednesday 29 June
13:30:22 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:30:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Carlos_Iglesias, +975195aaaa, Emanuelle, +30231125aabb, Kostas
13:30:33 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:30:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:30:33 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:30:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:30:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:30:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:30:35 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-er-actions.rdf :
13:30:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi and ciglesia to check other profile concepts within different WGs and see how they could fit here [1]
13:30:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-er-irc#T13-25-13
13:30:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia to check other profile concepts within different WGs and see how they could fit here [2]
13:30:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-er-irc#T13-25-24