IRC log of webevents on 2011-06-21

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0127.html

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Date: 21 June 2011

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Chair: Art

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Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference

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Present: Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Matt_Brubeck, Olli_Pettay

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Regrets: Laszlo_Gombos

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Present+ Sangwhan_Moon

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Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay

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sorry, smaug, I do not see a party named 'Olli_Pettay'

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Topic: Tweak Agenda

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AB: yesterday I posted a Draft Agenda ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0127.html ). Since Laszlo sent regrets for today, I propose dropping Issue-17 and I'll follow-up with Laszlo to please address related Action-55. Any objections to that proposal?

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[None: Issue-17 will not be included in today's call]

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+??P3

15:06:25 [Sangwhan]

zakim, ??P3 is me

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+Sangwhan; got it

15:06:37 [ArtB]

AB: if Doug doesn't join today's call we also drop discussion on Issue-16 since he has related action-53

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AB: any other change requests?

15:06:58 [smaug]

Zakim, who's here?

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On the phone I see ??P36, mbrubeck, Art_Barstow, Sangwhan

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On IRC I see Cathy, RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, shepazu, Sangwhan, smaug, mbrubeck, lgombos, trackbot

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Topic: Announcements

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AB: any short announcements for today?

15:07:22 [smaug]

Zakim, ?P36 is Olli_Pettay

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sorry, smaug, I do not recognize a party named '?P36'

15:07:26 [smaug]

Zakim, ??P36 is Olli_Pettay

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+Olli_Pettay; got it

15:07:38 [smaug]

Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay

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ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay

15:07:55 [ArtB]

MB: FF 6.0 will go to Beta in 2 weeks and it will include support for the Touch Events spec

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AB: that's fantastic Matt; good work!

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Topic: Issue-3: Click event target after DOM mutation during touchstart;

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AB: Issue-3 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 ) has open Action-52 for Matt ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/52 ). Anything to report on that today Matt? Last discussion was June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item03 )

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MB: I still need to write the text and will get it done by the end of the month

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AB: anything else on Issue-3 for today?

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Topic: Issue-17: Page X and Y parameters to createTouch

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+Doug_Schepers

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AB: we are skipping Issue-17 for today

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Topic: Issue-16: Should the spec be silent or prescriptive re Object Identity

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AB: Issue-16 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16 ) has Action-53 for Doug ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/53 ). Anything to report on that today Doug? Last discussion was June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item04 )

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DS: I've been working on other Actions

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... so nothing else to report today

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Topic: Issue-18: The spec needs more examples related to the various lists

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AB: last week Issue-18 was created ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/18 ) and we need someone to provide inputs to address this issue. The June 14 discussion ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item06 ) provides some additional context.

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AB: can we get someone to agree to provide some examples?

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AB: we should address this issue before LC

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DS: Sangwhan, can you take this?

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SM: yes, I can take it

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AB: thanks Sangwhan

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ACTION: moon submit an input to address Issue-18

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Created ACTION-57 - Submit an input to address Issue-18 [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-06-28].

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Topic: Preparing Touch Events spec for Last Call WD

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AB: on June 14 we discussed a plan for Last Call ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item06 ) and that resulted in some sub-issues and actions.

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AB: one consequence is splitting Touch Events spec ( http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents ) into Version/Level 1/2; who is going to do the work?

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... who agreed to do the split?

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DS: there are 2 parts

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... 1st is to mark testable assertions

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... and the classes of conformance

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... and I am working on those assertions

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... The 2nd part is splitting the stuff and Matt agreed to do that

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... Matt will do his split After I get done my part

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AB: thanks for the clarification

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DS: and we must do those 2 things before going to LC

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... I plan to complete my part this week

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AB: that would be good to get your part Doug, done this week

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AB: Are we using "Version" or "Level"? What are the advantages and disadvantages of each

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DS: I don't care

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XHR is Level 1 & 2

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AB: I dont' feel strongly either

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DS: typically, a level is considered B/C with previous specs

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... but new Versions typically are not B/C

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... but in this case, I think we want B/C

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MB: initTouchEvent could give us some B/C issues

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DS: so, then, perhaps we should go with versions

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AB: does anyone object to going with versions?

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[ None ]

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RESOLUTION: we will use "Version" (not "Level") to distinguish the different Touch Events spec

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AB: Doug agreed to Action-56: Update the Touch Event spec to use markup to facilitate test case extraction ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/56 ). What is the status of that Doug?

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DS: yes, I am working on this

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Topic: Any Other Business (AOB)

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... and if there is no substantial agenda by the 27th, the meeting will be canceled

15:23:32 [Sangwhan]

http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source-orientation.html

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SM: let's talk about device orieintation after we get our spec to LC

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DS: I agree we should take some of that into account

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... but talking about it after LC is fine with me

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AB: anything else for today?

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AB: please address open actions and issues

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AB: Meeting Adjourned

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-Doug_Schepers

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-Olli_Pettay

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-Art_Barstow

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-Sangwhan

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-minutes.html ArtB

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-mbrubeck

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RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were mbrubeck, Art_Barstow, Sangwhan, Olli_Pettay, Doug_Schepers

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: moon submit an input to address Issue-18 [1]

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