15:02:21 RRSAgent has joined #webevents 15:02:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-irc 15:02:27 RRSAgent, make log public 15:02:40 ScribeNick: ArtB 15:02:40 Scribe: Art 15:02:40 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0127.html 15:02:40 Date: 21 June 2011 15:02:40 Chair: Art 15:02:40 Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference 15:03:59 Present: Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Matt_Brubeck, Olli_Pettay 15:04:10 Regrets: Laszlo_Gombos 15:04:28 Present+ Sangwhan_Moon 15:04:30 Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay 15:04:30 sorry, smaug, I do not see a party named 'Olli_Pettay' 15:04:57 Topic: Tweak Agenda 15:05:04 AB: yesterday I posted a Draft Agenda ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0127.html ). Since Laszlo sent regrets for today, I propose dropping Issue-17 and I'll follow-up with Laszlo to please address related Action-55. Any objections to that proposal? 15:05:20 Cathy has joined #webevents 15:05:29 [None: Issue-17 will not be included in today's call] 15:05:59 +??P3 15:06:25 zakim, ??P3 is me 15:06:25 +Sangwhan; got it 15:06:37 AB: if Doug doesn't join today's call we also drop discussion on Issue-16 since he has related action-53 15:06:45 AB: any other change requests? 15:06:58 Zakim, who's here? 15:06:58 On the phone I see ??P36, mbrubeck, Art_Barstow, Sangwhan 15:06:59 On IRC I see Cathy, RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, shepazu, Sangwhan, smaug, mbrubeck, lgombos, trackbot 15:07:14 Topic: Announcements 15:07:20 AB: any short announcements for today? 15:07:22 Zakim, ?P36 is Olli_Pettay 15:07:22 sorry, smaug, I do not recognize a party named '?P36' 15:07:26 Zakim, ??P36 is Olli_Pettay 15:07:26 +Olli_Pettay; got it 15:07:38 Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay 15:07:38 ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay 15:07:55 MB: FF 6.0 will go to Beta in 2 weeks and it will include support for the Touch Events spec 15:08:05 AB: that's fantastic Matt; good work! 15:08:22 Topic: Issue-3: Click event target after DOM mutation during touchstart; 15:08:30 AB: Issue-3 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 ) has open Action-52 for Matt ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/52 ). Anything to report on that today Matt? Last discussion was June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item03 ) 15:09:12 MB: I still need to write the text and will get it done by the end of the month 15:09:27 AB: anything else on Issue-3 for today? 15:09:49 Topic: Issue-17: Page X and Y parameters to createTouch 15:09:50 +Doug_Schepers 15:09:59 AB: we are skipping Issue-17 for today 15:10:14 Topic: Issue-16: Should the spec be silent or prescriptive re Object Identity 15:10:25 AB: Issue-16 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16 ) has Action-53 for Doug ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/53 ). Anything to report on that today Doug? Last discussion was June 14 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item04 ) 15:11:18 DS: I've been working on other Actions 15:11:28 ... so nothing else to report today 15:12:12 Topic: Issue-18: The spec needs more examples related to the various lists 15:12:20 AB: last week Issue-18 was created ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/18 ) and we need someone to provide inputs to address this issue. The June 14 discussion ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item06 ) provides some additional context. 15:12:49 AB: can we get someone to agree to provide some examples? 15:13:07 AB: we should address this issue before LC 15:13:15 DS: Sangwhan, can you take this? 15:13:20 SM: yes, I can take it 15:13:24 AB: thanks Sangwhan 15:13:45 ACTION: moon submit an input to address Issue-18 15:13:45 Created ACTION-57 - Submit an input to address Issue-18 [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-06-28]. 15:14:01 Topic: Preparing Touch Events spec for Last Call WD 15:14:18 AB: on June 14 we discussed a plan for Last Call ( http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item06 ) and that resulted in some sub-issues and actions. 15:14:28 AB: one consequence is splitting Touch Events spec ( http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents ) into Version/Level 1/2; who is going to do the work? 15:14:54 ... who agreed to do the split? 15:15:00 DS: there are 2 parts 15:15:10 ... 1st is to mark testable assertions 15:15:19 ... and the classes of conformance 15:15:29 ... and I am working on those assertions 15:15:47 ... The 2nd part is splitting the stuff and Matt agreed to do that 15:16:00 ... Matt will do his split After I get done my part 15:16:10 AB: thanks for the clarification 15:16:21 DS: and we must do those 2 things before going to LC 15:16:28 ... I plan to complete my part this week 15:16:47 AB: that would be good to get your part Doug, done this week 15:17:11 AB: Are we using "Version" or "Level"? What are the advantages and disadvantages of each 15:17:30 DS: I don't care 15:17:42 XHR is Level 1 & 2 15:17:47 AB: I dont' feel strongly either 15:18:10 DS: typically, a level is considered B/C with previous specs 15:18:27 ... but new Versions typically are not B/C 15:18:38 ... but in this case, I think we want B/C 15:18:50 MB: initTouchEvent could give us some B/C issues 15:19:11 DS: so, then, perhaps we should go with versions 15:19:26 AB: does anyone object to going with versions? 15:19:41 [ None ] 15:20:11 RESOLUTION: we will use "Version" (not "Level") to distinguish the different Touch Events spec 15:20:34 AB: Doug agreed to Action-56: Update the Touch Event spec to use markup to facilitate test case extraction ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/56 ). What is the status of that Doug? 15:20:59 DS: yes, I am working on this 15:21:26 Topic: Any Other Business (AOB) 15:22:00 ArtB1 has joined #webevents 15:22:48 ArtB has joined #webevents 15:22:52 ... and if there is no substantial agenda by the 27th, the meeting will be canceled 15:23:32 http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source-orientation.html 15:24:33 SM: let's talk about device orieintation after we get our spec to LC 15:24:47 DS: I agree we should take some of that into account 15:25:17 ... but talking about it after LC is fine with me 15:25:38 AB: anything else for today? 15:25:51 AB: please address open actions and issues 15:25:57 AB: Meeting Adjourned 15:25:57 -Doug_Schepers 15:26:01 -Olli_Pettay 15:26:04 -Art_Barstow 15:26:05 -Sangwhan 15:26:10 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:26:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-minutes.html ArtB 15:26:33 -mbrubeck 15:26:34 RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has ended 15:26:36 Attendees were mbrubeck, Art_Barstow, Sangwhan, Olli_Pettay, Doug_Schepers 15:29:53 zakim, bye 15:29:53 Zakim has left #webevents 15:29:57 rrsagent, bye 15:29:57 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-actions.rdf : 15:29:57 ACTION: moon submit an input to address Issue-18 [1] 15:29:57 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-webevents-irc#T15-13-45