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19:59:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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19:59:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
19:59:57 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2011
19:59:57 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:00:37 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:00:57 <adam> adam is on the phone
20:01:59 <adam> yes
20:02:03 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P7 is Adam_Solomon
20:02:03 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
20:02:15 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P9 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:02:15 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:03:08 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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20:04:28 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2011AprJun/0154.html
20:04:40 <MichaelC> chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:05:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:07:10 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Wolf_Schmidt
20:07:10 <Zakim> +Wolf_Schmidt; got it
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20:07:25 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
20:07:53 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:07:53 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
20:10:02 <MichaelC> scribe: Bruce
20:10:52 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
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20:11:24 <Bruce> topic:  Status of publication
20:11:33 <Bruce> Next Tuesday.
20:15:58 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
20:16:04 <Bruce> URL in annoucement from Shawn, comments open through August.
20:16:45 <Bruce> Early comments appreciated!
20:18:36 <Bruce> Topic:  Miscellaneous Issues and Techniques for 16 June 2011
20:19:34 <Bruce> Captcha Technique Strategy
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20:32:14 <MichaelC> zakim, Oracle is James_Nurthen
20:32:14 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen; got it
20:32:17 <awk> gotta drop off - conflicting meeeing
20:32:23 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:40:31 <Bruce> RESOLUTION:  Approach PF about working with them to update http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/
20:41:11 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
20:43:16 <David> David has joined #wai-wcag
20:43:25 <David> me: sorry I'm late
20:46:27 <Bruce> topic: Vivienne's question about hierarchical headings?
20:47:38 <David> Failure assigned by tool	But it should not fail  because …
20:47:39 <David> Failure of 1.4.4 (resize text) by using fixed font sizes instead of relative font sizes such as % or em 	If the user can activate the browser zoom effectively on the content, then it will pass WCAG 2.0. Only if the browser’s zoom feature has been disabled and the fonts are fixed will it be a failure. This is what the WCAG 2.0 term “A mechanism is available…” means.
20:47:41 <David> Failure of 1.4.4 (resize text) because of fixed object sizes such as px, rather than % or em	Same as above.
20:47:43 <David> Failure of 1.3.1 (Info and Relationships) because headings were not nested (e.g. H1 followed by H2 etc…)	WCAG does not require “proper” nesting of headings. HTML 4, XHTML 1, and HTML 5 do not require properly nested headings either. It is a good practice, but it is not a failure of WCAG 2.0
20:47:44 <David> Failure of 2.4.4 (Link Purpose – in context) because of link text such as “click here” or “more”.	If there is a way to determine the destination of the link from the enclosing sentence, paragraph or list of links, then there is no failure. 
20:47:46 <David> Failure of 1.3.1 (Info and Relationships) based on not using the scope element on a data table	The Scope element is only one way to meet semantic markup for a table, and is used mostly when there are headers in both the columns and the rows. It should not be a failure for tables that have simple headings at the top of each column.
20:47:50 <David> Failure of 1.4.3 based on clicking a link and opening to a new window.	It’s only a failure of 1.4.3 if it produces an extreme change context on focus (which is when he user lands on the link), not when they click a link
20:48:38 <Bruce> Also related to current thread on testing tools looking for sufficient techniques.
20:49:18 <jamesn> another for tables is when tools insist that tables MUST have TH cells when TD cells with scope is fine too
20:49:30 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
20:52:37 <Bruce> Action item to David for Top 10 mistake list
20:52:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - item
20:53:09 <Bruce> Action David Lead on Top 10 miss understanding
20:53:09 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David
20:53:09 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dmacdona, dtodd2)
20:53:55 <Bruce> Here is top of recent thread:
20:53:56 <Bruce> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011AprJun/0025.html
20:54:55 <Bruce> Topic:  Are Word documents web content?
20:56:49 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
21:05:23 <David>  zakim, who's noisy
21:05:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's noisy', David
21:05:33 <jamesn> zakim, who is noisy?
21:05:34 <David> 	zakim, who's noisy?
21:05:46 <Zakim> jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (35%), Bruce_Bailey (10%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (56%)
21:05:56 <Zakim> David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (70%), Bruce_Bailey (5%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (49%)
21:06:07 <Bruce> reasons why word doucments web content
21:06:15 <Bruce> can access via url and http
21:06:22 <Bruce> readily available software
21:06:25 <Bruce> free
21:06:37 <Bruce> cost free multiplatform viewers
21:06:48 <Bruce> it is clearly content linked from the web
21:07:22 <Bruce> authors link to .doc just like they link to .pdf, and PDFs are web content
21:08:08 <Bruce> .doc viewer will open URLs so they are User agents per our definition
21:10:52 <Bruce> RESOLUTION:  question for survey
21:11:15 <Bruce> Interested in feedback from others not on call
21:12:53 <Bruce> Add other document formats to survey
21:13:44 <Bruce> topic: please look at HTML 5 spec
21:21:17 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
21:21:18 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
21:21:18 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:21:20 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:21:20 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:21:21 <Zakim> -Wolf_Schmidt
21:21:27 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:21:28 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:21:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Adam_Solomon, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Wolf_Schmidt, +1.650.214.aaaa, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, James_Nurthen,
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21:42:02 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
21:42:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
21:42:59 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
21:43:02 <MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting
21:43:02 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:43:02 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:43:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:43:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
21:43:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:43:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items