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13:59:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
13:59:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:54 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
13:59:54 <trackbot> Date: 15 June 2011
14:00:09 <ChrisL> Chair: Vlad
14:00:16 <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
14:00:45 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Jun/0019.html
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14:01:35 <jdaggett> hmm, zakim is not happy?
14:01:58 <ChrisL> why is zakim not happy?
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14:02:11 <jdaggett> not seeing those on the phone...
14:02:31 <Vlad> trackbot, start telcon
14:02:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:02:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
14:02:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:02:36 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:02:36 <trackbot> Date: 15 June 2011
14:02:51 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
14:02:51 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
14:02:57 <ChrisL> zakim, this is font
14:02:57 <Zakim> ok, ChrisL; that matches IA_Fonts()10:00AM
14:03:00 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
14:03:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.978.790.aaaa, +44.845.397.aabb, +31.61.509.aacc, +1.425.882.aadd, ChrisL, +1.510.816.aaee
14:03:07 <Zakim> + +1.443.895.aaff
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14:03:36 <ChrisL> zakim appears to not recognise anyones phone numbers today
14:03:44 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.978.790.aaaa, +44.845.397.aabb, +31.61.509.aacc, ??P20, +1.425.882.aadd, ChrisL, +1.510.816.aaee, +1.443.895.aaff
14:03:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see cslye, tal, erik, Vlad, Zakim, sergeym, RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame, jdaggett, trackbot
14:04:07 <jdaggett> zakim, P20 is me
14:04:07 <Zakim> sorry, jdaggett, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'
14:04:18 <jdaggett> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:04:18 <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
14:04:27 <ChrisL> Present: Tal, Vlad, Erik, Christopher, Sergey, Chris, Jonathan, JDaggett
14:04:44 <cslye> zakim, aaee is me
14:04:44 <Zakim> +cslye; got it
14:04:50 <ChrisL> Vlad:  lets review the resent edits. also, hear from CSS WG attendees on CSS3 fonts
14:04:53 <tal> zakim, aaff is me
14:04:53 <Zakim> +tal; got it
14:05:04 <jdaggett> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jun/0329.html
14:05:12 <jfkthame> zakim, aabb is me
14:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, jfkthame, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:05:26 <jfkthame> zakim, +44.845.397.aabb is me
14:05:26 <Zakim> sorry, jfkthame, I do not recognize a party named '+44.845.397.aabb'
14:05:43 <ChrisL> jdaggett: here are the minutes. lots of tangential discussion, Bert complained its http-centric and so on
14:06:21 <ChrisL> ... at least the method of restriction is http-centric. but really that is an issue with ftp etc not with our spec
14:06:31 <ChrisL> ... all the implementors seem ok with it already
14:06:51 <ChrisL> ... not clear if SOR at risk is enouh to move forward
14:07:13 <ChrisL> ... peter Linss suggested it was not CSS WG problem but WebFonts WG problem
14:07:24 <ChrisL> ... but it elongs where @font-face is defined
14:07:55 <ChrisL> Vlad: it started here but was proposed to apply to all font formats
14:08:08 <ChrisL> ... read the minute sand there was no clear decision
14:08:19 <ChrisL> jdaggett: problem was tangential discussions
14:08:43 <ChrisL> ... Bert did not propose a credible alternative and it did not seem relevant
14:08:55 <ChrisL> .. implementors agree some form of SOR is a good thing
14:09:43 <ChrisL> Vlad: discussed this with him at AC meeting and Bert agreed at the time
14:10:09 <ChrisL> ... and agreed fonts not reallyy like images, in the minutes
14:10:24 <ChrisL> Topic: CSS WG report on @font-face
14:10:36 <ChrisL> jdaggett: its a big rathole
14:11:26 <ChrisL> ... Bet always seems to say EOT is better and so on 
14:11:33 <ChrisL> s/Bet/Bert/
14:11:44 <ChrisL> Vlad: any specific objections?
14:12:10 <ChrisL> jdaggett: no, just diffuse discussion. Florian from Opera said current wording was acceptable
14:12:21 <ChrisL> ... depends if wording is good enough for CR
14:12:51 <ChrisL> Vlad: clear its better to SOR based on the font link in @font-face
14:13:30 <ChrisL> jdaggett: Peter's point was tha CSS WG should not decide but its part of te @font-face mechanism. He wanted someone else to solve it somewhere
14:14:02 <ChrisL> ... if that mechansm happens to cover things other than fonts then good but we dont have consensus on that
14:14:55 <ChrisL> jdaggett: any way we can pre-flight the wording?
14:15:02 <ChrisL> ChrisL: will ask PLH
14:15:53 <ChrisL> Vlad: note the concern that this could delay CSS3 Fonts
14:16:16 <ChrisL> ... can we facilitate that decision?
14:16:48 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we can send a liaison saying we want to depend on that feature
14:17:05 <ChrisL> jdaggett: we don't really have any strong objections at this point
14:17:30 <ChrisL> Vlad: what is Google's position, do we know?
14:17:52 <ChrisL> jdaggett: Tab was involved but not at this meeting. Unclear
14:18:09 <ChrisL> Vlad: Tab said it was easy to implement in webkit
14:18:25 <ChrisL> jdaggett: needs negotiation between webkit committors
14:18:54 <ChrisL> Vlad: Apple objection seems to be resolved
14:19:25 <ChrisL> jdaggett: FF and IE implemented as CSS3 Fonts says
14:20:25 <ChrisL> action: Vlad to send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it
14:20:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-06-22].
14:20:49 <ChrisL> Vlad: consesnus of font vendors and impleentors
14:20:55 <ChrisL> jdaggett; sounds reasonable
14:21:03 <ChrisL> Topic: WOFF edits
14:21:51 <ChrisL> jfkthame: set some actions pending
14:21:52 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/pendingreview
14:23:12 <ChrisL> jfkthame: removed summary of conformance requirements and relocated otes as discussed
14:23:19 <ChrisL> s/otes/notes/
14:23:48 <ChrisL> ChrisL: reminded commmentors this was done
14:24:10 <ChrisL> Relocate text describing div and span was done, too
14:24:20 <ChrisL> Move BCP47 to normative and change are expected to to SHOULD
14:24:49 <ChrisL> jfkthame: became a normative reference and language updated
14:25:08 <ChrisL> Add expected children of all metadata elements
14:25:30 <ChrisL> jfkthame: had a go at that, not clrear how much detail to go into.
14:26:42 <ChrisL> ChrisL: text element is missing the same form of description as the rest
14:26:53 <ChrisL> jfkthame: seems easy
14:27:06 <ChrisL> action jfkthame to add text element descrition
14:27:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Add text element descrition [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].
14:29:14 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we missed impleenting the comment from Eric Muller, to add @url to text inside license
14:29:26 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-8
14:29:54 <ChrisL> Vlad: legl folks font like a license that is different in different languages as the least restrictive one becomes the agreement
14:30:31 <ChrisL> ChrisL:... so we decided not to add the per language links?
14:31:09 <ChrisL> Vlad: one link points to a page which can be a landing page with further links to multiple languages. its up to the font vendor to do that
14:31:39 <ChrisL> cslye: what Vlad describes is how Adobe would do it too
14:31:45 <ChrisL> ... so that is fine for me
14:31:50 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
14:31:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-irc#T14-31-50
14:32:16 <ChrisL> cslye: would not watnt to limit what other people expect t be there
14:32:34 <ChrisL> Vlad: its a license description not a full license. it says how to get it
14:32:39 <ChrisL> cslye: ok
14:33:19 <ChrisL> ChrisL; ok so the spec is good as it stands ad I will update the DoC
14:33:55 <ChrisL> jfkthame: another minor edit was to requie xml to be utf-8 as discssed on the list
14:34:02 <ChrisL> ... makes life simpler
14:34:18 <ChrisL> ChrisL: seemed to be broad agreement on that
14:34:50 <ChrisL> ChrisL: need to mark up the testable assertion and add a test for it
14:35:44 <ChrisL> tal: there is an existing test for utf-8 or utf-16 so that is easy to change
14:36:09 <ChrisL> action: tal to modify the test for xml encoding
14:36:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Modify the test for xml encoding [on Tal Leming - due 2011-06-22].
14:36:32 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-16
14:37:24 <ChrisL> jfkthame: yes we alked about that
14:37:52 <ChrisL> action jfkthame to add the non-normative wording from richard ishida about droppingOT tables
14:37:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Add the non-normative wording from richard ishida about droppingOT tables [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].
14:38:40 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-31
14:39:56 <ChrisL> Note:
14:39:56 <ChrisL> The id attribute of the uniqueid element, and of several further metadata elements defined below, is not of type ID. Its form is 
14:39:56 <ChrisL> at the discretion of the font creator or vendor.
14:40:21 <ChrisL> Action: jfkthame: to add the resised wording on @id
14:40:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Add the resised wording on @id [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].
14:42:26 <jdaggett> zakim, who is noisy?
14:42:40 <Zakim> jdaggett, listening for 12 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:44:10 <ChrisL> Vlad: so its fixing bgs n how text shows up
14:44:21 <ChrisL> jfkthame: same for filenames. there is a limit
14:44:33 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (describes 3 options)
14:45:10 <ChrisL> jfkthame: there are unicode controls for directionality that could be used if needed
14:45:20 <ChrisL> Vlad: fine with the third option
14:46:01 <ChrisL> jfkthame: option 2 would be much more complex. just not worth it
14:46:59 <ChrisL> action: ChrisL to propose the third option
14:46:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Propose the third option [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-06-22].
14:47:39 <ChrisL> ChrisL:aparet from the above the edits are all good
14:50:08 <ChrisL> Topic: referencing html5
14:51:49 <Zakim> -ChrisL
14:52:04 <jdaggett> yup
14:52:13 <jdaggett> ChrisL: we lost you...
14:52:20 <Vlad> Chris, we lost you on the phone
14:52:23 <Zakim> +ChrisL
14:53:36 <ChrisL> (scribe got disconnected)
14:53:47 <ChrisL> Action: ChrisL to respond to Glenn
14:53:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Respond to Glenn [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-06-22].
14:54:22 <ChrisL> Topic: f2f
14:54:34 <ChrisL> tal: f2f to discuss test suite?
14:54:46 <ChrisL> Vlad: low response to typecon suggstion
14:55:18 <ChrisL> ... what about atypi in september? or tpac in november
14:55:42 <jdaggett> atypi is in iceland?
14:55:49 <ChrisL> cslye: will be at atypi
14:56:04 <ChrisL> sergeym: not sure but more likely if we have a f2f
14:56:08 <ChrisL> tal: sure
14:56:17 <ChrisL> Vlad: will be and definitely if f2f
14:56:25 <ChrisL> ChrisL: could be there 
14:57:05 <ChrisL> jdaggett: regrets during september
14:57:38 <ChrisL> 14-18 Sept, Rekjavik Iceland
14:57:48 <cslye> http://www.atypi.org/2011-reykjavik
14:57:50 <ChrisL> 12-12 are tutorials
14:58:29 <ChrisL> adjourned
14:58:33 <Zakim> -jdaggett
14:58:38 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
14:58:50 <Zakim> -cslye
14:58:52 <Zakim> -ChrisL
14:58:54 <Zakim> -tal
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14:59:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.978.790.aaaa, +44.845.397.aabb, +31.61.509.aacc, +1.425.882.aadd, ChrisL, +1.510.816.aaee, +1.443.895.aaff, jdaggett, cslye, tal
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15:59:04 <ChrisL> zakim, bye
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15:59:12 <ChrisL> rrsagent, bye
15:59:12 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-actions.rdf :
15:59:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Vlad to send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it [1]
15:59:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-irc#T14-20-25
15:59:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: tal to modify the test for xml encoding [2]
15:59:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-irc#T14-36-09
15:59:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jfkthame: to add the resised wording on @id [3]
15:59:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-irc#T14-40-21
15:59:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ChrisL to propose the third option [4]
15:59:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-irc#T14-46-59
15:59:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ChrisL to respond to Glenn [5]
15:59:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-irc#T14-53-47