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09:00:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:00:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:00:07 <trackbot> Date: 08 June 2011
09:00:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:01:09 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
09:01:15 <raphael> Regrets: Thomas
09:01:27 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0001.html
09:01:32 <doublec> is there anyone on the call?
09:01:43 <raphael> Present: Raphael, Chris, Yves, Philip
09:02:23 <doublec> Zakim: mute me
09:02:28 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb
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09:02:47 <raphael> Present+ Erik
09:03:39 <Zakim> + +329331aacc
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09:04:27 <raphael> Present+ Silvia
09:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:06:01 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aadd
09:06:07 <silvia> zakim, aadd is me
09:06:07 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
09:07:15 <silvia> zakim, who is here?
09:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see +6421209aaaa (muted), raphael, Erik, silvia
09:07:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see silvia, erik, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael, homata, doublec, foolip, Yves, trackbot
09:07:53 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
09:07:59 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:07:59 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:08:09 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
09:08:09 <Zakim> sorry, doublec, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
09:08:32 <doublec> Zakim, aaaa is me
09:08:32 <Zakim> sorry, doublec, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
09:08:38 <doublec> Zakim, Chris is me
09:08:38 <Zakim> +doublec; got it
09:08:40 <raphael> zakim, Chris is doublec
09:08:40 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'Chris'
09:08:49 <doublec> I'm slowly getting used to it :)
09:08:58 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/05/11-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:09:10 <erik> +1
09:09:12 <raphael> +1
09:09:14 <doublec> +1
09:09:18 <raphael> Minutes accepted
09:09:20 <silvia> +1
09:09:36 <raphael> Raphael: TPAC 2011 in November
09:09:57 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/#Tentative
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09:10:40 <raphael> Topic: 2. Spec Update
09:10:49 <raphael> ACTION-219?
09:10:49 <trackbot> ACTION-219 -- Davy Van Deursen to update the specification to reflect those changes -- due 2011-05-18 -- OPEN
09:10:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/219
09:10:56 <erik> q+
09:11:33 <silvia> q+
09:11:55 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
09:11:55 <Zakim> I see silvia on the speaker queue
09:12:23 <silvia> zakim, ack me
09:12:23 <Zakim> unmuting silvia
09:12:24 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
09:12:26 <raphael> Raphael: I hope that by TPAC we do not have issues any more to deal with
09:13:11 <raphael> Silvia: one of the change was to rename "id" into "chapter"
09:13:18 <raphael> ... I wonder if this was a good move
09:13:43 <raphael> ... in WebVTT, we add tracks (captions, audio descriptions) and cues (time stamps) have identifiers
09:14:30 <raphael> Present+ Davy
09:14:57 <raphael> Silvia: I wonder if #id would not be better than #chapter for a dimension that addresses a section by name
09:15:56 <raphael> Silvia: tracks introduced in HTML5 with 5 possible types
09:17:32 <silvia> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#texttrackcuelist <-
09:17:48 <silvia>   http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#texttrackcue http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#dom-texttrackcuelist-getcuebyid(in DOMString id);
09:18:28 <doublec> but 'chapter' in media fragments is just a shortcut for #t=... isn't it? It's not related to the 'id' used in the cue?
09:18:46 <raphael> Yes Chris
09:19:58 <silvia> example cue:
09:20:18 <silvia> 00:00:01.000 -> 00:00:08.000
09:20:26 <silvia> asdfasf
09:20:39 <silvia> then we get "example cue" as the identifier of this cue
09:20:54 <silvia> and we can address it by getCueById("example cue") in HTML5
09:21:00 <doublec> q+
09:21:07 <raphael> Raphael: so the question is should we change back to "id" or another dimension name?
09:21:11 <doublec> Zakim, unmute me
09:21:11 <Zakim> doublec was not muted, doublec
09:21:21 <raphael> zakim, ack doublec
09:21:21 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
09:21:22 <silvia> and we can address it by http://example.com/video.ogv#example%2dcue
09:22:10 <doublec> If the user uses #id=example cue, does that mean it's the same as #t=1,8?
09:22:26 <silvia> yes
09:22:46 <doublec> so there needs to be a text track for id to work?
09:22:46 <davy> maybe we should name it 'cue': video.ogv#cue=example%20cue
09:23:15 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:23:15 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:23:29 <silvia> I like Davy's idea
09:23:49 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:23:49 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:24:07 <raphael> Silvia: Cues are defined in a text track, yes
09:24:36 <raphael> Raphael: but if the media has embedded cues?
09:27:11 <doublec> q+
09:28:01 <raphael> Silvia: we are not introducing any dependencies, but we just make sure it can work with HTML5
09:28:50 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:28:50 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:28:58 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
09:28:58 <Zakim> doublec should now be muted
09:29:31 <raphael> Raphael: we discuss this on the mailing list, Silvia will start a thread to discuss whether we should name this dimension "id", "name" or "cue"
09:29:43 <raphael> close ACTION-219
09:29:44 <trackbot> ACTION-219 Update the specification to reflect those changes closed
09:29:47 <raphael> ACTION-2220?
09:29:47 <trackbot> ACTION-2220 does not exist
09:29:50 <raphael> ACTION-220?
09:29:50 <trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Raphaël Troncy to change the specification accordingly to reflect that #track is local -- due 2011-05-18 -- OPEN
09:29:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/220
09:30:06 <raphael> close ACTION-220
09:30:06 <trackbot> ACTION-220 Change the specification accordingly to reflect that #track is local closed
09:30:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:30:59 <raphael> Davy: many changes evrywhere ... perhaps someone should review it entirely and completely
09:31:01 <raphael> ?
09:31:51 <raphael> Frank Denoual has spotted small issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0002.html
09:32:18 <raphael> Raphael: t=10, sometimes valid, sometimes not
09:33:22 <raphael> ACTION: Davy to fix the #t=10, in Section 4.2.1 which is invalid
09:33:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Fix the #t=10, in Section 4.2.1 which is invalid [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-06-15].
09:34:06 <raphael> Suggested sentence from Frank: "If a single number only is given, this corresponds to the begin time except if it is preceded by a comma that would in this case indicate the end time"
09:34:23 <raphael> Davy: I will do this too
09:34:52 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#server-triggered-redirect
09:35:58 <raphael> Davy: discussion between Silvia and me about the server triggered redirect for chapter (or id or cue)
09:36:10 <raphael> ... we need to decide and change the spec
09:36:23 <davy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011May/0083.html
09:37:36 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:37:36 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:38:54 <raphael> Davy: we need to adapt the spec so that it says that the server can answer with byte ranges
09:38:55 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:38:55 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:39:46 <raphael> ACTION: Davy to adapt Section 5.2.3 so that the server can also send back the mapping in terms of byte ranges
09:39:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Adapt Section 5.2.3 so that the server can also send back the mapping in terms of byte ranges [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-06-15].
09:39:58 <raphael> Raphael: do you see any other issues to deal with?
09:41:11 <doublec> not that I'm aware of
09:41:32 <raphael> Erik: yes, answering questions from Boris, Chris and Fantasai
09:42:53 <raphael> Raphael: loop problem from Chris is related to bug at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426
09:44:39 <raphael> Raphael: clearly, we need to answer those requests
09:44:53 <raphael> ... svg issue is also related to TAG discussion and Yves need to be here
09:45:09 <raphael> ... I will answer to these comments
09:45:47 <raphael> Raphael: Target is to transition to CR before end of June
09:46:01 <raphael> Topic: 3. Test Cases
09:46:53 <raphael> Status for UA: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.html
09:47:04 <raphael> Status for Server: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
09:48:41 <raphael> Raphael: we need to review more test cases in the upcoming telecon
09:48:52 <raphael> Erik: we have 2 more telecon before the summer holidaays
09:49:01 <raphael> s/holidaays/holidays
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09:53:38 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension
09:53:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
09:53:43 <raphael> ACTION: troncy to start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension
09:53:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-15].
09:53:58 <raphael> Topic: 4. AOB
09:54:10 <raphael> [silence]
09:55:04 <Zakim> -silvia
09:55:06 <Zakim> -raphael
09:55:08 <Zakim> -doublec
09:55:10 <davy_> bye!
09:55:30 <raphael> Raphael: get an agreement on the name of this last dimension by Sunday so we can vote for CR next week
09:55:39 <Zakim> -Erik
09:55:40 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
09:55:42 <Zakim> Attendees were +6421209aaaa, +33.4.93.00.aabb, raphael, +329331aacc, Erik, +61.2.801.2.aadd, silvia, doublec
09:55:50 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to send a reply to the 4 commenters
09:55:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
09:55:56 <raphael> ACTION: troncy to send a reply to the 4 commenters
09:55:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Send a reply to the 4 commenters [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-15].
09:56:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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