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21:26:41 Zakim, this will be 2119
21:26:41 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:30PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
21:26:42 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
21:26:42 Date: 08 June 2011
21:27:02 zakim, this is 2119
21:27:02 JF, I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:30PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 2119".
21:27:13 zakim, this will be 2119
21:27:13 ok, JF; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:30PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
21:27:51 WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:30PM has now started
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21:28:14 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
21:28:16 Chair: Janina_Sajka
21:28:17 Scribe: John_Foliot
21:28:19 agenda: this
21:28:20 agenda+ Paused Media: Updates? Browser Support?
21:28:22 agenda+ Hierarchical Navigation: Progress Checkin
21:28:24 agenda+ Texted Descriptions: Requirements on A11y APIs
21:28:26 agenda+ 3GPP Request Followup
21:28:27 agenda+http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011May/0316
21:28:29 agenda+.html Actions Review
21:28:30 agenda+http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
21:28:32 agenda+ Other Business?
21:28:33 agenda+ be done
21:28:35 zakim, aaaa is JF
21:28:35 +JF; got it
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21:29:27 zakim, aabb is Sean
21:29:27 +Sean; got it
21:30:50 +??P6
21:31:06 zakim, ??P6 is Janina
21:31:06 +Janina; got it
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21:32:56 zakim, who's here?
21:32:56 On the phone I see JF, Sean, Janina
21:32:58 On IRC I see silvia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JF, Sean, janina, MichaelC, [tm], trackbot
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21:35:26 +silvia
21:36:27 zakim, take up next item
21:36:27 agendum 1. "Paused Media: Updates? Browser Support?" taken up [from JF]
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21:37:39 zakim, agenda?
21:37:39 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
21:37:40 1. Paused Media: Updates? Browser Support? [from JF]
21:37:42 2. Hierarchical Navigation: Progress Checkin [from JF]
21:37:44 3. Texted Descriptions: Requirements on A11y APIs [from JF]
21:37:47 4. 3GPP Request Followup [from JF]
21:37:48 5. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011May/0316 [from JF]
21:37:49 6. .html Actions Review [from JF]
21:37:50 7. http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from JF]
21:37:51 8. Other Business? [from JF]
21:37:51 9. be done [from JF]
21:38:16 JS: question is, has there been any discussion with implementors?
21:38:46 JS: are we looking at the right thing here, will we get browser support or should we be looking at other solutions?
21:39:07 SP: Jonas is putting in a proposal w.r.t. @longdesc that will impact on this
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21:39:37 JS: that is related, but by itself will not do the whole thing
21:39:48 SP: if that is possible then it should do most of it
21:40:03 there was also the introduction of the idea of @transcript
21:40:22 waiting to hear of outcome of @longdesc discussion
21:40:38 JS: we should not be waiting on other decision to move on our work
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21:51:10 (Discussion on the browser issue of a) concatenating multiple aria-describedby values, and b0 flattening of markup
21:51:45 ACTION: JF should file bugs on this
21:51:45 Created ACTION-130 - Should file bugs on this [on John Foliot - due 2011-06-15].
21:53:14 zakim, next item
21:53:14 agendum 2. "Hierarchical Navigation: Progress Checkin" taken up [from JF]
21:53:57 JS: lengthy discussion last week on hierarchical navigation would work
21:54:22 PS: sent a link to a demo from Google that showed how chapters worked
21:54:34 http://www.html5videoguide.net/demos/google_io/3_navigation/
21:54:39 was also supposed to add some content to the wiki but has been backed up with other issues
21:55:17 Geoff Freed provided some feedback on those demos that was valuable
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22:00:24 accerciser
22:02:05 theres a tool called acc-checker for UIA
22:02:55 http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2008/mar08/03-13AccessibilityToolsPR.mspx
22:07:31 zakim, next item
22:07:31 agendum 3. "Texted Descriptions: Requirements on A11y APIs" taken up [from JF]
22:07:35 +[Microsoft]
22:07:51 SP: there has been an active discussion around this
22:08:37 JS: notes that this has also shown up on related wikis and mailing lists (i.e. Linux foundation)
22:08:57 JS: there are some existing holes in the Accessibility APIs
22:09:11 they are being reviewed to try to keep the APIs in sync
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22:10:20 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/IA2_1.3#IAccessibleMedia_interface
22:10:28 we should feed this information to others via members of this group to related stakeholders
22:10:32 +Judy
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22:12:12 zakim, [Microsoft] is Paul Cotton
22:12:12 I don't understand '[Microsoft] is Paul Cotton', JF
22:13:00 SH: believes the list discussion is productive, and should continue as is progressing
22:13:26 JS: think we should do 2 things here
22:13:34 we have crossed several usedcases
22:13:56 we need to extract them and spell them out, as some of them will require different solutions
22:14:02 zakim, who's noisy?
22:14:16 JF, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (40%), JF (3%), Janina (71%)
22:14:59 JS: Cynthia and I will bring this up ion the API discussions as well
22:15:04 +Michael_Cooper
22:15:21 also ensure that the various media types are being mapped correctly
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22:15:49 +Plh
22:15:54 zakim, mute me
22:15:54 silvia should now be muted
22:16:06 zakim, next item
22:16:06 agendum 4. "3GPP Request Followup" taken up [from JF]
22:16:34 JS: Mark Watson unable to be with us today
22:16:47 he is also apparently a member of 3GPP
22:16:54 they might all be at WWDC
22:17:39 JS: we have a request from 3GPP that has some specificss that may be out of scope at w3C
22:18:05 we should perhaps clarify goals and purposes, next steps, etc.
22:18:34 PLH: the request was sent to the accessibility task force, and the request was that the HTML WG be included as well
22:18:49 the response can come back from Mike Smith, the chairs, we can figure that out later
22:19:12 JS: my understanding is that we have an agreed upon taxonomy, a specific way of naming all the media types that are in sync
22:19:35 so that we can be consistent whether it is machine read or human read
22:19:59 there are some differences (described video) where there is a difference between text-based and human narrated
22:20:12 but the value is that everything is called the same thing across the board
22:20:34 so that the emergent technology will be accessing the same kind of media as well_ consistancy
22:20:46 be it digital broadcasting, the web, etc.
22:21:24 there are mechanical questions, but should we first determine that we understand what is being sought?
22:21:31 "We are therefore defining a small set of names, most of which do not cover accessibility, and we hope that by the time a more complete name-set is needed we will be able to refer to HTML5"
22:21:55 "we identify a specification, registration authority, or other source by using a URI (normally expected to be a URN), and then provide values from the set defined by that source."
22:22:01 q+
22:22:01 q?
22:22:08 JB: perhaps we need to jump to the next question, which is do we need a registry, and where does that live?
22:22:08 ack p
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22:22:52 PLH: their liaison statement is saying that they would like to use the same nameset that we are defining in HTML5
22:23:05 the second statement, they are using a URN mechanism to define those terms
22:23:12 and would like the W3C to provide this
22:23:20 they didn't appear to ask for a registery
22:23:32 nor to make our list extensible
22:23:46 q+
22:23:51 their only request is that they want to use the same things we are defining, and could we provide a URN
22:24:37 They want to ensure the link remains between themselves and us
22:24:45 Registration Authority by URI
22:24:47 http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-track-element identifies the values for the enumerated attribute but does not define URIs for the keywords
22:25:06 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/the-iframe-element.html#dom-tracklist-getkind <- even better
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22:25:14 q?
22:25:18 ack p
22:25:24 PC: want to speak dierctly to that
22:25:43 the track element identifies the keywords that are mapped to