IRC log of au on 2011-06-06

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19:51:49 [RRSAgent]

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19:51:53 [Jan]

Zakim, this will be AUWG

19:51:53 [Zakim]

ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 51 minutes ago

19:51:58 [Jan]

Meeting: WAI AU

19:52:19 [Jan]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011AprJun/0051.html

19:53:35 [Jan]

Regrets: Sarah P.

20:00:06 [Zakim]

WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started

20:00:46 [jeanne]

jeanne has joined #au

20:02:15 [jeanne]

zakim, start meeting

20:02:15 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'start meeting', jeanne

20:02:29 [jeanne]

trackbot, start meeting

20:02:32 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs public

20:02:34 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be AUWG

20:02:34 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot, I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM already started

20:02:35 [trackbot]

Meeting: Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

20:02:35 [trackbot]

Date: 06 June 2011

20:03:03 [Jan]

zakim, code?

20:03:03 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Jan

20:03:30 [jeanne]

zakim, who is here?

20:03:30 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

20:03:32 [Zakim]

On IRC I see jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, trackbot

20:04:18 [Greg]

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20:04:37 [jeanne]

present+ Greg, Tim, Jan, Jeanne, Alex, Cherie

20:05:13 [Jan]

Chair: Jan Richards

20:05:29 [Jan]

Scribe: jeanne

20:05:29 [jeanne]

scribe: jeanne

20:06:12 [jeanne]

topic: Extending the public comments

20:09:58 [jeanne]

JR: We have only received comments from 1 person, we could postpone 2 weeks and send a reminder.

20:11:02 [jeanne]

Alex: We are still reviewing.

20:11:24 [jeanne]

Greg: How about 2nd week in July?

20:11:41 [jeanne]

Jeanne: I was hoping to just do 2 weeks.

20:13:24 [jeanne]

Greg: We have to address Andrew's comments which missed the deadline last time.

20:13:51 [jeanne]

Jan: What if we re0submitted Andrew's comments

20:14:40 [jeanne]

Greg: that would be ok.

20:15:02 [jeanne]

... July 1 would be a natural stop, the end of a quarter

20:15:39 [jeanne]

Jeanne: I really want to keep pushing to move forward - if we wait too long, it won't be urgent.

20:16:48 [jeanne]

Jan: It has already been May 24 deadline, so 2 weeks is a month delay.

20:18:32 [jeanne]

... maybe we should let it go. We are still making changes based on the Microsoft comments. Incorporate the comments we have received in the current discussion

20:19:03 [Jan]

Resolution: Not to re-open comment period on the April 26 public WD.

20:22:11 [jeanne]

Greg: schedule?

20:22:36 [jeanne]

Jan: Finish the comments, publish another draft in 4 weeks and then if there are no comments, we can go to Last Call.

20:22:52 [jeanne]

Alex: I don't think this group can afford to cycle another Last Call.

20:22:58 [Jan]

Topic: Open Action Review

20:23:00 [Jan]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/actions/open

20:23:49 [Jan]

Topic: Survey reviewing the AA comments

20:23:51 [Jan]

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20110503/results#xq30

20:28:06 [jeanne]

Jan: Jutta wants this to be AA

20:28:37 [jeanne]

Alex: Metadata is a vague term, when you only need an association.

20:28:46 [jeanne]

Jan: I'm open to other terms.

20:29:47 [Jan]

Action: JR to reword using programmatically associated or similar term (AL may suggest term)

20:29:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-340 - Reword using programmatically associated or similar term (AL may suggest term) [on Jan Richards - due 2011-06-13].

20:30:00 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.2 - GL28

20:30:57 [Jan]

Resolution: Accept the response to GL28

20:31:03 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.2 - GL29

20:31:27 [Jan]

Resolution: Accept the response to GL29

20:31:35 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.2 - OC23

20:32:12 [Jan]

Skip over this due to action item on MS49

20:32:21 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.2 - IBM53

20:33:29 [jeanne]

Alex: Dynamic user content is the new issue.

20:34:16 [jeanne]

Jan: The checker can only give status on what the checker can check. Even if the content is dynamic, the report can still be generated.

20:34:48 [jeanne]

Alex: Then it has to be in a slice of time that has to be acknowledged and the association may not be able to be made

20:34:49 [Jan]

Action: JR to acknowledge that dynamic content does provide a challenge to determining a "status"

20:34:49 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-341 - Acknowledge that dynamic content does provide a challenge to determining a "status" [on Jan Richards - due 2011-06-13].

20:35:07 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.2 - IBM54

20:35:24 [Jan]

Skip over this due to action item on MS49

20:35:33 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.4 - MS50

20:39:44 [jeanne]

Jan: What I mean is that the program would save the association of alt text with the image

20:40:15 [Jan]

Action: AL to look into implementations of alt-text association saving (B.2.3.4 Save for Reuse)

20:40:16 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-342 - Look into implementations of alt-text association saving (B.2.3.4 Save for Reuse) [on Alex Li - due 2011-06-13].

20:40:16 [jeanne]

Jeanne: Every clipboard gallery that I have worked with saves the title of the image - if for no other reason than for searching.

20:40:25 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.4 - GL30

20:41:32 [Jan]

Wait for AL's action.

20:41:40 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.4 - OC26

20:42:29 [Jan]

Wait for AL's action.

20:42:37 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - GG7

20:44:56 [Jan]

GG7

20:47:12 [jeanne]

Cherie: you can ignore my commment then.

20:47:29 [Jan]

Resolution: All accept response to GG7.

20:47:40 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - UAWG6

20:48:31 [jeanne]

JAn: I believe we changed the definition of prominence on the list.

20:48:42 [Jan]

Action: JR to look up what was decided about prominence and apply it to UAWG6

20:48:42 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-343 - Look up what was decided about prominence and apply it to UAWG6 [on Jan Richards - due 2011-06-13].

20:48:52 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - MS51

20:50:05 [jeanne]

Jan will reword with a standard conditional

20:50:32 [Jan]

Action: JR to reword with conditional on potential for accessibility problems.

20:50:32 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-344 - Reword with conditional on potential for accessibility problems. [on Jan Richards - due 2011-06-13].

20:50:44 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - MS52

20:51:34 [Jan]

Wait for AL's action.

20:51:44 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - MS53

20:52:16 [Jan]

Wait for JR's action on prominence.

20:52:23 [Jan]

B.2.5 - MS54

20:52:28 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - MS54

20:54:37 [jeanne]

Jan: some templates won't let you post until you have entered some minimal information. That's what I meant by minimal instructions.

20:55:01 [jeanne]

Alex: It makes sense to me here, but I won't know what a minimal instruction when there is a blank template.

20:55:32 [jeanne]

Jan: As soon as it reaches the point of publishing, that is when we have to test it.

20:55:59 [jeanne]

... in the case of blank templates, there would be no instructions

20:56:26 [Jan]

Action: JR clarify for accessible templates that there may be no instructions for blank document type templates.

20:56:26 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-345 - Clarify for accessible templates that there may be no instructions for blank document type templates. [on Jan Richards - due 2011-06-13].

20:56:43 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - MS55

20:57:55 [Jan]

Action: JR to propose conditional on inaccessible potential

20:57:56 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-346 - Propose conditional on inaccessible potential [on Jan Richards - due 2011-06-13].

20:58:05 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - MS56

20:58:36 [Jan]

Wait for other answers.

20:58:46 [Jan]

Topic: B.2.5 - GL41

21:01:06 [Jan]

Didn't finish GL41...

21:02:06 [jeanne]

rrsagent, make minutes

21:02:06 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-minutes.html jeanne

21:02:22 [jeanne]

rrsagent, make logs public

21:02:27 [Jan]

me jeanne, you are wrapping up?

21:02:49 [Zakim]

WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended

21:02:50 [Zakim]

Attendees were

21:03:03 [jeanne]

zakim, bye

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21:03:12 [jeanne]

rrsagent, bye

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: JR to reword using programmatically associated or similar term (AL may suggest term) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-29-47

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ACTION: JR to acknowledge that dynamic content does provide a challenge to determining a "status" [2]

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-34-49

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AL to look into implementations of alt-text association saving (B.2.3.4 Save for Reuse) [3]

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-40-15

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: JR to look up what was decided about prominence and apply it to UAWG6 [4]

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-48-42

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ACTION: JR to reword with conditional on potential for accessibility problems. [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-50-32

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: JR clarify for accessible templates that there may be no instructions for blank document type templates. [6]

21:03:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-56-26

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ACTION: JR to propose conditional on inaccessible potential [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/06-au-irc#T20-57-55