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08:57:46 <danbri__> rrsagent, please make logs public
08:57:56 <bblfish> trackbot, start meeting
08:57:56 <mike> *wages*
08:57:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
08:58:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
08:58:00 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
08:58:01 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
08:58:01 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2011
08:58:03 <mike> waves even!
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08:58:08 <bblfish> hi
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09:00:26 <danbri__> bblfish: we're using [pgp-style] web of trust by reference
09:00:32 <danbri__> ....using x509 for the public key
09:00:52 <danbri__> ...the information is in these links between your homepages, so that your server decides to trust who it likes
09:01:04 <danbri__> ...you might create a group with edit permissions
09:01:18 <danbri__> q about domain names
09:01:27 <danbri__> bblfish: we can do it without domain names
09:01:46 <danbri__> bblfish needs to turn off bblfishes beep filter for bblfishes name
09:05:11 <bblfish> link for the videos: http://bblfish.net/blog/2011/05/25/
09:05:19 <danbri2_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZPJBpI2Po
09:07:30 <gaedke> Video from Markus Sabello ist here http://ostatus.org/2010/10/26/ostatus-interview-markus-sabadello
09:07:40 <danbri2_> bblfish: ietf emphasise what goes on the wire
09:07:46 <danbri2_> (i thought he meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle but not sure now)
09:08:03 <danbri2_> bblfish: if you can get the info you need from the profile doc, that's great; we're being format agnostic so far
09:08:25 <danbri2_> bblfish: compatibility concerns -> why it's important to have test suites
09:08:37 <danbri2_> ...where all implementors collab
09:08:55 <danbri2_> ...without a test suite it's really hard to figure out what is happening, going wrong, 'cos SSL is all encrypted
09:09:05 <danbri2_> so this helps with better responses for user when things fail
09:09:12 <danbri2_> ...also helps us understand which tools are doing what
09:09:26 <danbri2_> ... eg. this one understands/doesn't understand rdfa; this one logs me in even though no foaf file, etc
09:09:39 <danbri2_> ...could come to conclusions eg. to use webfinger, we can get a measure of which systems can work with it
09:09:54 <danbri2_> ...measures and stats give us understanding and help people know what to implement
09:10:15 <danbri2_> myprofiletshirtguy: one advantage here is that there is no need to create APIs
09:14:54 <danbri2_> q+
09:16:03 <Deiu> having too many protocols to represent WebID data could pose problems on the long run; there can be cases where endpoints will not be able to understand a certain protocol
09:16:45 <Deiu> q+
09:18:27 <elf-pavlik> point on usability of email style formated identifiers over URI since people already relate name@domain to people
09:22:20 <elf-pavlik> evan praises webfinger ;)
09:22:44 <Deiu> q-
09:24:50 <Deiu> we could, if we get bblfish 's attention
09:27:51 <elf-pavlik> danbri presents sketch on dimentions with ID system, Profile Content... (can someone take a photo?)
09:47:20 <elf-pavlik> discussion on 3rd parties which can take role of 'vouching' for someones identity
09:47:34 <danbri2_> q+ re timekeeping / goals for rest of meeting (do we finish in 10 mins, per http://d-cent.org/fsw2011/agenda/ )
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09:47:46 <danbri2_> q-
09:48:25 <bblfish> q?
10:03:38 <elf-pavlik> screening video of webid on cryptostick from:  http://bblfish.net/blog/2011/05/25/
10:06:57 <danbri2_> is Andrei Sambra in the room? sorry for the names/faces fail...
10:10:31 <Deiu> I am 
10:10:39 <Deiu> the myprofiletshirt guy
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11:33:41 <bblfish> hi
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11:37:31 <Galaxor> Hello.
11:37:33 <bblfish> http://bblfish.net/blog/2011/05/25/
11:41:41 <Deiu> * Resuming the WebID XG meeting
11:42:19 <Deiu> it is important that we pick only formats which are capable of representing certificates 
11:43:00 <Deiu> (ref. drawing)
11:43:42 <bblfish> preferred are the rdf sepcifies formats in particular rdf/xml, and rdfa
11:45:24 <bblfish> Cert/rsa  ontology would be preferred ontolgy 
11:45:42 <mike> format == Doc Syntax (ref. drawing)
11:46:11 <bblfish> http/https/ftp? are prefferred URI schemes
11:46:29 <mike> Cert/rsa  ontology == Profile Content (ref. drawing)
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11:49:36 <bblfish> Make it clear in the spec that the RelyingParty decides on the authorization strength required to access a resource: ie: an http:// URI may not be strong enough a webid for some services
11:51:20 <domel> http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert
11:51:43 <Deiu> http://www.daml.org/ontologies/235
11:51:49 <Deiu> EARL ontology ^
11:52:00 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/
11:52:06 <bergi> http://www.axolotlfarm.org/~bergi/projects/rme/files/20110306_3d_webid.jpg
11:54:13 <Deiu> ^ drawing we previously referred to
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12:06:13 <Deiu> julia, we're in the next room (further down the hall)
12:06:45 <mike> "Conference room 1"
12:12:58 <bblfish> we are discussing ISSEU-9
12:13:04 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/9
12:37:59 <julia> sorry, have to work :(
13:08:07 <mike> The SubjectAltName MUST contain at least one WebID URI.  
13:08:09 <mike> It MAY contain more than one URI, but if it does each URI SHOULD point to the Same Document Content (i.e. mirror).
13:08:10 <mike> If the URIs do not point to the same document the server SHOULD resolve all URIs and construct a single graph.
13:08:12 <mike> If the Server does not resolve all different URIs then any resulting authorisation decision will be undefined.
13:08:18 <mike> I think this is what I meant!
13:15:03 <mike> humph, Mirrors might not work
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13:40:23 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
13:40:23 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:40:23 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:40:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:40:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/03-webid-minutes.html trackbot
13:40:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:40:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items