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14:58:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:58:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:52 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:58:52 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2011
14:59:03 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
14:59:07 <Zakim> +Eric
14:59:10 <Zakim> +??P21
14:59:17 <janina> zakim, ??P21 is Janina
14:59:17 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
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15:00:19 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
15:00:32 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Eric, Michael_Cooper
15:00:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Marco_Ranon, Zakim, RRSAgent, eric_carlson, janina, MikeSmith, MichaelC, [tm], trackbot
15:00:49 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:00:49 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:00:49 <janina> Scribe: Steve_Faulkner
15:00:49 <janina> agenda: this
15:00:49 <janina> agenda+ Organizing Last Call Review
15:00:50 <janina> agenda+ Process Revisions; Open Discussion
15:00:51 <Zakim> +??P29
15:00:53 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Bug Triage
15:00:54 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:00:56 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:00:58 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for 9 June http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:01:00 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:01:07 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:01:07 <Marco_Ranon> Zakim, ??P29
15:01:10 <janina>  zakim, ??P29 is Marco
15:01:10 <Marco_Ranon> Zakim, ??P29 is me
15:01:11 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:01:13 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P29', Marco_Ranon
15:01:15 <Zakim> +Mike
15:01:17 <Zakim> +Marco; got it
15:01:24 <Zakim> I already had ??P29 as Marco, Marco_Ranon
15:01:29 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:01:29 <Zakim> sorry, Marco_Ranon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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15:01:58 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, I'm Marco_Ranon
15:01:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I'm Marco_Ranon', Marco_Ranon
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15:02:18 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, I am Marco_Ranon
15:02:18 <Zakim> sorry, Marco_Ranon, I do not see a party named 'Marco_Ranon'
15:02:50 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Eric, Michael_Cooper, Marco, Mike
15:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lynn_Holdsworth, JF, Marco_Ranon, Zakim, RRSAgent, eric_carlson, janina, MikeSmith, MichaelC, [tm], trackbot
15:02:53 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, I am Marco
15:02:53 <Zakim> ok, Marco_Ranon, I now associate you with Marco
15:03:09 <Zakim> +JF
15:03:22 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:03:29 <Zakim> Marco should now be muted
15:03:48 <Zakim> +Lynn_Holdsworth
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15:04:17 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Jun/0012.html
15:04:22 <MichaelC> regrets: Laura_Carlson
15:04:36 <MichaelC> agenda?
15:06:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:10 <Marco_Ranon> JS: Organizing Last Call Review
15:09:45 <Marco_Ranon> JS: Laura is monitoring the bugs
15:10:07 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:10:41 <Marco_Ranon> JS: Bug triage team will need to continue checking the bugs for a11y keyword
15:11:15 <Marco_Ranon> JS: Martin Kliem not on the call, maybe a bit busier than before.
15:12:31 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we might ask PF and WCAG to read various parts of the specs and also people on the TF
15:13:03 <Marco_Ranon> JS: need to decide what should we read and what safely skip? and have at least 2 or 3 people reading each section
15:13:58 <Marco_Ranon> JF: good chunks of the specs are really technical and have no impact on TF work. should we check the entire thing or focus on area with more impact?
15:14:32 <LJW> +1 to focusing our efforts.
15:14:45 <Marco_Ranon> JS: yes. pull out the TOC for each specs and select parts with UI impact 
15:15:12 <MikeSmith> q+ to say I will be very glad to help with determining which parts of the spec to focus on for review
15:15:17 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we also need to look at the deadlines
15:15:32 <Marco_Ranon> MC: 9 weeks left
15:15:56 <Marco_Ranon> MS: happy to help with selecting which parts of the specs should be checked by the TF
15:17:03 <Marco_Ranon> JF: should we start with the HTML5 for web authors?
15:17:37 <Marco_Ranon> MS: yes but there are also implementation issues that we need to verify
15:17:51 <MikeSmith> ack MikeSmith 
15:17:51 <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say I will be very glad to help with determining which parts of the spec to focus on for review
15:18:13 <Marco_Ranon> CS: also user agent behavior can impact accessibility
15:18:41 <Marco_Ranon> JF: we need to make sure we have the right resources
15:19:21 <Marco_Ranon> JF: in the TF we are relatively thin on the technical side
15:20:25 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we should identify what to review first and then the resources
15:21:12 <janina> q?
15:21:16 <Marco_Ranon> JS: should we look at the TOC?
15:22:02 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/ HTML 5, 25 May 2011
15:23:19 <Marco_Ranon> MC: [reading out top level TOC]
15:25:03 <Marco_Ranon> MC: 2 Common infrastructure, probably not a priority, but important for vendors. We should ask Apple, Microsoft, Opera, etc to find people 
15:26:01 <MikeSmith> q+ to say the carefully reading the text in http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/infrastructure.html#other-applicable-specifications would be good
15:27:30 <Marco_Ranon> MC: Apple: James Craig, Opera: Charles, Mozilla: David B, MS: Cynthia
15:27:48 <Marco_Ranon> MC: 3 Semantics, structure, and APIs of HTML documents
15:29:14 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 3.2.3 Global attributes is one review task, 3.2.5 Content models another one
15:30:39 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 3.2.7 WAI-ARIA: finish our work and review
15:31:12 <Marco_Ranon> 3.5 Dynamic markup insertion: probably nees a quick look (CS)
15:31:19 <Marco_Ranon> 4 The elements of HTML
15:31:55 <Marco_Ranon> 4.2 Document metadata, we need to review it
15:32:48 <Marco_Ranon> 4.3 Scripting, maybe
15:33:21 <Marco_Ranon> 4.4 Sections, yes
15:33:41 <Marco_Ranon> 4.5 Grouping content, yes
15:33:53 <Marco_Ranon> 4.6 Text-level semantics, yes
15:34:13 <Marco_Ranon> 4.7 Edits, yes
15:37:25 <Marco_Ranon> 4.8 Embedded content, need to split it: img, iframe (seamless attribute makes it important for accessibility)+embed+object+param, video+audio+source+track+ 4.8.10 Media 
15:37:33 <Marco_Ranon> 4.8.11 The canvas element
15:38:09 <Marco_Ranon> 4.8.12-14: map, area, image maps together
15:39:34 <Marco_Ranon> 4.8.15 MathML, need to try to find people, but yes for review (implementation issues)
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15:40:05 <Marco_Ranon> 4.8.16 SVG, yes
15:42:59 <Marco_Ranon> 4.9 Tabular data, yes
15:43:20 <Marco_Ranon> 4.10 Forms, yes, careful review
15:44:40 <Marco_Ranon> 4.11 Interactive elements, we might want to split it
15:45:08 <Marco_Ranon> 4.11.1 The details element with 4.11.2 The summary element
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15:46:07 <Marco_Ranon> CS: would be good to get content producers to review the specs
15:46:37 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:46:48 <Marco_Ranon> 4.12 Links, yes
15:47:52 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:48:31 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 4.13 Common idioms without dedicated elements, seems to relate to ARIA landmarks
15:48:40 <Marco_Ranon> CS and to WCAG techniques
15:49:25 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 4.14 Matching HTML elements using selectors, review with interactive elements (Cynthia)
15:50:44 <Marco_Ranon> 5 Loading Web pages, maybe UAAG can comment
15:51:32 <Marco_Ranon> 6 Web application APIs, yes in one block
15:51:52 <Marco_Ranon> CS: i'll get someone in MS to review this.
15:52:13 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 7 User interaction, we should break it down
15:54:08 <Marco_Ranon> focus and keyboard shortcuts one review, content editable and grammar and spelling checking one review, drag and drop by its own, Editing APIs should be part of both content editable and with script reviews
15:54:50 <Marco_Ranon> hidden attribute and activation  with keyboard focus or scripting
15:56:15 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 8 The HTML syntax
15:56:50 <Marco_Ranon> CS: i'll find someone in MS and help
15:57:15 <Marco_Ranon> s/MS: 8 The HTML syntax//
15:57:59 <Marco_Ranon> MS: 8 The HTML syntax, should we worry about this? with parsing maybe, low priority
15:58:20 <Marco_Ranon> 9 The XHTML syntax, same
15:59:48 <Marco_Ranon> 10 Rendering, probably not normative, but ask UAAG and part of interactions. also ask implementors
16:00:38 <Marco_Ranon> 11 Obsolete features, should we review the all section or cherry pick?
16:01:03 <Marco_Ranon> review all
16:02:19 <Marco_Ranon> 12 IANA considerations, probably not used by AT
16:02:33 <Zakim> -Eric
16:02:37 <Marco_Ranon> 12.4 text/cache-manifest might have AT implications
16:03:21 <Marco_Ranon> MS: will be catched in review for section 5
16:03:42 <Marco_Ranon> CS: also vendors and content providers should review it
16:04:29 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we need a wiki with all these notes and then assign the sections to reviewers
16:05:20 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we didn't discuss how to determine that we have consensus, but we'll need to do it soon
16:06:37 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
16:06:37 <Zakim> Marco should no longer be muted
16:06:50 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:06:54 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:06:56 <Zakim> -Mike
16:06:56 <Zakim> -Lynn_Holdsworth
16:06:58 <Zakim> -JF
16:07:00 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:07:08 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, bye
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16:07:09 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Eric, Janina, Michael_Cooper, Mike, Marco, JF, Lynn_Holdsworth, [IPcaller], Cynthia_Shelly
16:07:31 <Marco_Ranon> rrsagent, make log public
16:07:42 <Marco_Ranon> rrsagent, make minutes
16:07:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/02-html-a11y-minutes.html Marco_Ranon
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