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15:02:03 <janina> trackbot start meeting
15:02:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:02:05 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:02:05 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2011
15:02:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
15:02:09 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:02:17 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:02:31 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:02:39 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
15:02:42 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:03:03 <Zakim> +??P15
15:03:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see JF, Eric, Judy, ??P41, ??P42, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, ??P15
15:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, eric_carlson, LJW, JF, mranon, MikeSmith, davidb, MichaelC, [tm], trackbot
15:04:00 <Zakim> -??P42
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15:05:15 <Zakim> -??P41
15:05:24 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P15 is Janina_Sajka
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15:05:35 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:45 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
15:05:59 <Zakim> +??P11
15:06:05 <Zakim> +??P19
15:06:16 <MichaelC> zakim, Janina is Steve_Faulkner
15:06:19 <Zakim> +LynnH_RNIB
15:06:22 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P11 is Janina_Sajka
15:06:23 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:06:26 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P19 is Marco_Ranon
15:06:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see JF, Eric, Judy, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, ??P11, ??P19, LynnH_RNIB
15:06:42 <mranon> zakim, mute me
15:06:48 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:52 <Zakim> +Steve_Faulkner; got it
15:06:56 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:06:58 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
15:07:11 <Zakim> sorry, mranon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:07:14 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/html5lc-faq.html
15:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see JF, Eric, Judy, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Steve_Faulkner, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Marco_Ranon, LynnH_RNIB
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15:07:29 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011May/0567.html
15:07:38 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith 
15:07:48 <MikeSmith> Topic: Last Call update
15:07:52 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:07:58 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
15:08:05 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
15:08:05 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
15:08:32 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:08:32 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
15:08:41 <MikeSmith> scribenick: Marco_Ranon 
15:08:52 <MikeSmith> scribe: Marco_Ranon 
15:08:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:05 <MichaelC> regrets: Paul_Cotton
15:09:10 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/html5lc-faq.html
15:09:25 <Marco_Ranon> MS: LC has been annouced with seveal informational documents and a FAQ
15:09:49 <Joshue> s/seveal/several
15:09:56 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/#status-of-this-document
15:10:09 <Marco_Ranon> MS: a lot of details about issues and FOs
15:11:16 <Marco_Ranon> MS: those issues in the status sectiona are open at time of application, but there are links to all the others
15:11:30 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is probably Joshue_O'Connor
15:11:30 <Zakim> +Joshue_O'Connor?; got it
15:12:07 <Marco_Ranon> MS: also a link to TF work
15:12:13 <MichaelC> zakim, Joshue is Unknown
15:12:13 <Zakim> +Unknown; got it
15:12:27 <Joshue> s/sectiona/sections
15:13:05 <MikeSmith> q?
15:13:09 <Marco_Ranon> MS: (reading the text from the specs)
15:14:37 <janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Work_Topics
15:15:09 <Marco_Ranon> JB: there were concerns about going LC ion the TF
15:16:44 <Marco_Ranon> JB: concerns can be highlighted in new working drafts or another LC
15:17:55 <Marco_Ranon> JB: there should be better coordination between chairs and TF to help to address pending issues within w3c processes
15:17:56 <Lynn_Holdsworth> zakim, mute me
15:17:56 <Zakim> sorry, Lynn_Holdsworth, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:18:43 <Lynn_Holdsworth> zakim, LynnH_RNIB is me
15:18:43 <Zakim> +Lynn_Holdsworth; got it
15:19:16 <Marco_Ranon> JB: it would be useful to bring to the TF some discussion about the process. 
15:19:26 <Lynn_Holdsworth> zakim, mute me
15:19:26 <Zakim> Lynn_Holdsworth should now be muted
15:20:16 <Marco_Ranon> JB: JB: it would be useful to focus on additional use cases to help the decision process
15:20:21 <MikeSmith> q?
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15:21:24 <Marco_Ranon> JB: in addition, we want to be careful about the WG and TF consensus prcess. Janina and I will look more carefully into issues with process and make sure we meet timelines
15:22:07 <Marco_Ranon> JB: we could ask questions to chairs in a Q/A session in a near future
15:22:31 <MikeSmith> q?
15:22:32 <janina> q+
15:22:38 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:23:24 <Marco_Ranon> MS: i've commeted to take action personally and support improving Bugzilla's accessibility
15:24:23 <Marco_Ranon> MS: we could upgrade to v4, but not an easy task. We need to make the entire UI more accessible
15:25:42 <Marco_Ranon> MS: at least the submission of bugs should be made more accessible.
15:27:34 <Marco_Ranon> MS: the comment list can be used and a bug will be semi-automatically generated
15:27:40 <MikeSmith> q?
15:27:44 <MikeSmith> ack janina 
15:28:35 <Marco_Ranon> JS: who is interested in looking into the TF process and how we fit in the WG?
15:28:40 <Zakim> -Judy
15:28:54 <Zakim> +Judy
15:29:15 <Marco_Ranon> CS: yes depending on the time
15:30:03 <Marco_Ranon> JB: this is process review looking into how to deal with accessibility issues and also the TF processes need to be updated
15:30:16 <Marco_Ranon> JF: i can help
15:31:24 <MikeSmith> q+ to reaffirm that one thing that has become clear is that we subteams have been particularly effective
15:31:28 <Marco_Ranon> JB: another thing is a potential offer by a technical editor with writing CPs
15:32:18 <Marco_Ranon> s/with writing CPs/with help writing CPs/
15:32:46 <Marco_Ranon> MS: that's very important
15:32:48 <MikeSmith> ack Marco_Ranon 
15:32:54 <MikeSmith> ack MikeSmith 
15:32:54 <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to reaffirm that one thing that has become clear is that we subteams have been particularly effective
15:33:03 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:33:03 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
15:33:04 <Zakim> -Judy
15:33:50 <MikeSmith> q?
15:34:02 <Zakim> +Judy
15:35:01 <Zakim> -Mike
15:35:12 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:35:12 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:35:14 <Zakim> +Mike
15:35:23 <Marco_Ranon> JF: Media sub-team
15:35:33 <MichaelC> topic: Sub-team reports
15:35:46 <Marco_Ranon> JF: we discussed "clean audio"
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15:37:56 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we put on hold the clean audio discussion until we understand it better
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15:38:32 <judy> judy has changed the topic to: 
15:38:38 <Marco_Ranon> JS: looking for help from outside the TF, if you have contacts please help
15:38:42 <MikeSmith> q?
15:39:16 <Marco_Ranon> JS: no wiki page on clean audio but good email chain
15:39:34 <JF> +q
15:39:42 <MikeSmith> ack JF 
15:40:21 <Marco_Ranon> JF: about poster alt, we are looking into impact on ARIA and ARIA.next
15:40:24 <judy> zakim, who's here?
15:40:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see JF, Eric, Cynthia_Shelly, Steve_Faulkner, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Marco_Ranon (muted), Lynn_Holdsworth (muted), Unknown, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Judy, Mike
15:40:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see plh, judy, richardschwerdtfe, Stevef, Joshue, Lynn_Holdsworth, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, eric_carlson, LJW, JF, Marco_Ranon, MikeSmith, davidb, MichaelC, [tm], trackbot
15:40:47 <judy> zakim, make minutes
15:40:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', judy
15:41:01 <Marco_Ranon> JF: should we introduce new roles?
15:41:42 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:41:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:42:14 <Marco_Ranon> RS: i think we should have a small set in ARIA to fix holes in HTML5
15:42:40 <JF> Rich, here's the email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011May/0559.html
15:43:18 <Marco_Ranon> RS: we are going through CR with ARIA, so we can start looking into new features
15:44:31 <Marco_Ranon> JB: text subteam report
15:45:08 <Marco_Ranon> JB: Laura still editing the CP for @longdesc, hoping to have help from technical editor
15:47:17 <Marco_Ranon> JB: @title, meta-generator, role=presentation are coming along
15:47:36 <Marco_Ranon> JB: some disagreement on whether there is new info on figcaption
15:48:05 <Marco_Ranon> JB: table @summary is in GJR hands, some more work required
15:48:53 <Marco_Ranon> JB: table @border has been surfaced recently and should be in text subteam
15:49:40 <JF> +q
15:49:52 <Marco_Ranon> JB: where should the text alternatives document it's still under discussion. interesting comments in the LC poll
15:49:54 <Stevef> q+
15:50:14 <MikeSmith> ack JF 
15:50:52 <judy> q+
15:51:05 <MikeSmith> ack Stevef 
15:51:07 <Zakim> -Unknown
15:51:20 <Marco_Ranon> JF: the text alternative document was created to complement the poor guidance in the specs
15:51:36 <judy> q+ to speak to the issue of organizing ourselves within the critical timelines during last call, to make sure that all of our issues are fully addressed.
15:52:07 <Marco_Ranon> SF: it was created because we couldn't get the specs changed, due to different views on the issue by the editor
15:53:20 <Marco_Ranon> SF: documet mirrors conformance requirements in HTML with WCAG advice for correct text alternative 
15:53:36 <MikeSmith> q?
15:53:54 <judy> s/concerns can be highlighted in new working drafts or another LC/we agreed that current accessibility concerns would be highlighted in this LCWD, and that improvements on those could be highlighted in some manner in updated working drafts/
15:53:57 <MikeSmith> ack judy 
15:53:57 <Zakim> judy, you wanted to speak to the issue of organizing ourselves within the critical timelines during last call, to make sure that all of our issues are fully addressed.
15:54:57 <Marco_Ranon> JB: we should coordinate to make sure that all issues are addressed within the timeline
15:55:26 <Zakim> -Eric
15:56:13 <Marco_Ranon> JB: for next week call we need to plan a review and make sure that we have a process in the TF
15:57:01 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we need to coordinate also with WCAG
15:57:29 <judy> s/to help to address pending issues within w3c processes/to help address pending issues within the HTML WG decision process and the TF consensus process/
15:57:55 <Marco_Ranon> MS: LC is an opportunity to review the specs and make sure that all accessibility issues are identified
15:58:09 <Marco_Ranon> RS: Canvas subgroup
15:58:43 <Marco_Ranon> RS: now we have a draft and we are identifying the gaps
15:59:01 <judy> s/to focus on additional use cases/to encourage external reviewers to provide additional use cases/
16:00:04 <MikeSmith> q+ to chime in with massive support for hit testing, valuable in many ways in addition to a11y
16:00:35 <Marco_Ranon> RS: we need the ability to do hit testing, which is the big thing left out
16:01:10 <MikeSmith> just want to say that the hit-testing feature is something that's very much an instance of the curb-cut analogy
16:01:38 <Marco_Ranon> RS: we are making progress, just need the hit testing done to ensure good accessibility in Canvas
16:03:06 <MikeSmith> q?
16:03:15 <Marco_Ranon> MS: a lot of issues trying to implement hit testing but not impossible. implementors are trying to resolve the issue but it might take time
16:04:09 <Marco_Ranon> MS: it's a big shortcoming for game developers and they want implementors to resolve it
16:05:26 <Marco_Ranon> MS: i want to help personally and it should be made a priority
16:05:34 <Marco_Ranon> RS: on vacation for two weeks though
16:05:56 <Marco_Ranon> SF to scribe next week
16:05:56 <MikeSmith> Stevef will scribe next week
16:06:02 <MikeSmith> adjourend
16:06:02 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:06:06 <Zakim> -Mike
16:06:08 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:06:08 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
16:06:09 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
16:06:11 <Zakim> -JF
16:06:13 <Zakim> -Lynn_Holdsworth
16:06:19 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:06:21 <Zakim> -Steve_Faulkner
16:07:01 <Zakim> -Marco_Ranon
16:07:07 <Zakim> -Judy
16:08:54 <MichaelC> zakim, drop rich
16:08:56 <Zakim> Rich_Schwerdtfeger is being disconnected
16:08:58 <judy> s/still editing the CP for @longdesc, hoping to have help from technical editor/has already made an additional requested edit to the @longdesc CP; we may have an offer of help on this or others from a technical editor/
16:08:59 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
16:09:03 <Zakim> Attendees were JF, Eric, Judy, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Steve_Faulkner, Marco_Ranon, Joshue_O'Connor?, Unknown, Lynn_Holdsworth, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:13:23 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:13:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-html-a11y-minutes.html MichaelC
16:13:57 <MichaelC> chair: Mike_Smith
16:14:10 <MichaelC> present- Joshue_O'Connor?
16:14:13 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
16:14:31 <MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting
16:14:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:14:31 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:14:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:14:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-html-a11y-minutes.html trackbot
16:14:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:14:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items