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13:55:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:55:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:55:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:55:11 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2011
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13:55:56 <fjh> trackbot, start telecon
13:55:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:56:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:56:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:56:02 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2011
13:57:01 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:57:10 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:57:36 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0027.html
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13:58:33 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:58:37 <fjh> Regrets+ Suresh_Chitturi 
13:58:39 <Zakim> +??P11
13:58:58 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
13:59:08 <AnssiK> zakim, +??P11 is me
13:59:08 <Zakim> sorry, AnssiK, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'
13:59:16 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P11 is me
13:59:16 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
13:59:23 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morris, Claes_Nilsson
13:59:47 <fjh> Regrets+ Niklas_Widell 
14:00:12 <SungOk_You> Present+ sungok_You
14:00:47 <Zakim> +??P12
14:00:50 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:00:52 <Zakim> +AnssiK
14:00:52 <fjh> zakim, ?? is me
14:00:52 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:00:55 <dom> Zakim, code?
14:00:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
14:00:58 <Zakim> +??P13
14:01:05 <Kangchan> Present+ Kangchan_Lee
14:01:33 <fjh> zakim, ?? is sungok_you
14:01:33 <Zakim> +sungok_you; got it
14:01:40 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, fjh, sungok_you
14:01:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, SungOk_You, darobin, Kangchan, richt, lgombos, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, dom, trackbot
14:01:46 <Zakim> +??P15
14:01:47 <dom> Zakim, ??P15 is me
14:01:47 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:01:50 <Zakim> +??P14
14:01:57 <darobin> Zakim, ??P14 is me
14:01:57 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:01:58 <SungOk_You> zkim, P13 is me.
14:02:02 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:02:12 <darobin> Zakim, ??P13 is SungOk_You 
14:02:12 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as sungok_you, darobin
14:02:40 <Zakim> +richt
14:02:47 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
14:02:50 <Zakim> -fjh
14:02:54 <Zakim> -sungok_you
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14:03:41 <Zakim> +??P13
14:03:50 <Kangchan> zakim, ??P13 is me
14:03:50 <Zakim> +Kangchan; got it
14:04:15 <Zakim> +??P17
14:04:22 <Dong-Young_Lee> Dong-Young_Lee has joined #dap
14:04:39 <Zakim> +??P12
14:04:42 <fjh> fjh has joined #dap
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14:05:01 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
14:05:07 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #dap
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14:05:24 <Zakim> +Cathy_Chan
14:05:24 <SungOk_You> Zakim, P12 is me.
14:05:25 <Zakim> sorry, SungOk_You, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
14:05:28 <fjh_> Zakim, who is here?
14:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, dom, darobin, richt, Kangchan, ??P17, ??P12, Frederick_Hirsch, Cathy_Chan
14:05:28 <Dong-Young_Lee> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
14:05:29 <Cathy> Prseent+ Cathy_Chan
14:05:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh_, Cathy, Wonsuk, fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, SungOk_You, darobin, Kangchan, richt, lgombos, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, dom, trackbot
14:05:41 <Zakim> +wonsuk
14:05:42 <Zakim> -Cathy_Chan
14:05:47 <Dong-Young_Lee> zakim, P12 is me
14:05:47 <Zakim> sorry, Dong-Young_Lee, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
14:06:01 <fjh_> fjh_ has joined #dap
14:06:11 <SungOk_You> zakim, P17 is me
14:06:11 <Zakim> sorry, SungOk_You, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
14:06:22 <Zakim> +Cathy_Chan
14:06:45 <Zakim> -Cathy_Chan
14:06:49 <Wonsuk> Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
14:06:53 <Kangchan> zakim, ??P17 is SungOk_You
14:06:53 <Zakim> +SungOk_You; got it
14:06:58 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
14:06:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, dom, darobin, richt, Kangchan, SungOk_You, ??P12, Frederick_Hirsch, wonsuk
14:07:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh_, fjh, Cathy, Wonsuk, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, SungOk_You, darobin, Kangchan, richt, lgombos, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, dom, trackbot
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14:07:34 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
14:07:36 <Zakim> +??P7
14:07:36 <Dong-Young_Lee> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:07:36 <Zakim> +Dong-Young_Lee; got it
14:07:43 <fjh_> zakim, ??p7 is me
14:07:43 <Zakim> +fjh_; got it
14:07:46 <darobin> Zakim, mute dom
14:07:46 <Zakim> dom should now be muted
14:08:29 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
14:08:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, dom (muted), darobin, richt, Kangchan, SungOk_You, Dong-Young_Lee, wonsuk, fjh_
14:08:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan_sullivan, fjh_, fjh, Cathy, Wonsuk, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, SungOk_You, darobin, Kangchan, richt, lgombos, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, dom,
14:08:33 <Zakim> ... trackbot
14:08:33 <Zakim> +Cathy_Chan
14:09:08 <darobin> Scribe: Rich
14:09:11 <darobin> ScribeNick: richt 
14:09:25 <richt> Topic: F2F
14:09:26 <fjh_> Topic: Administrative
14:09:27 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aaaa
14:09:28 <fjh_> 19-21 July F2F logistics, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Apr/0000.html
14:09:28 <fjh_> Please register -  http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/paris-2011/
14:09:30 <richt> fjh: please register for the F2F
14:09:43 <bryan_sullivan> present+ bryan_sullivan
14:09:51 <dom> (we have 13 responses, but only 6 positive responses)
14:10:01 <fjh_> TAG minimization draft, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0004.html
14:10:44 <fjh_> Topic: Minutes approval
14:10:44 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/att-0010/minutes-2011-05-18.html
14:10:45 <fjh_> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 May 2011 are approved
14:10:54 <richt> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 May 2011 are approved
14:11:08 <fjh_> Topic: Charter
14:11:21 <fjh_> still under review, please solicit feedback and wg members
14:11:51 <fjh_> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/DeviceAPICharter.html
14:11:52 <fjh_> Under AC Review, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0005.html (Dom)
14:11:52 <fjh_> "W3C invites public comments through 2011-06-09 on the proposed charter. Please send comments to mailto:public-new-work@w3.org?Subject=Re%3A%20Agenda%20-%20Distributed%20Meeting%202011-05-25&In-Reply-To=%253CC86259FE-89A9-444F-807E-070311030D27%40nokia.com%253E&References=%253CC86259FE-89A9-444F-807E-070311030D27%40nokia.com%253E, which has a public archive:
14:11:52 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/  "
14:12:09 <richt> Topic: Contacts
14:12:22 <fjh_> CfC until 8 June, please review draft  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0011.html
14:12:22 <richt> darobin: In the middle of CfC. Keep the feedback coming.
14:12:28 <fjh_> additional parameters: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0023.html 
14:12:28 <fjh_> bug fixes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0024.html (Cathy)
14:12:29 <fjh_> phoneNumbers MUST for URIs : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0026.html (Dom)
14:12:29 <fjh_> Editorial action?
14:12:34 <richt> darobin: anything specific on the feedback to discuss?
14:12:56 <dom> (richt already did most of the edits)
14:13:23 <Cathy> richt's latest edits addressed my comments
14:13:23 <Zakim> +Laszlo_Gombos
14:13:41 <darobin> rich: displayName vs name.formatted
14:13:56 <darobin> ... Geolocation's address format doesn't match ours, which is weird
14:14:25 <richt> darobin: re: Geolocation Address. We should talk to the WG.
14:14:53 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to email Geolocation about alignment of address objects
14:14:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-399 - Email Geolocation about alignment of address objects [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-06-01].
14:14:55 <fjh_> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
14:15:27 <darobin> rich: I'd like a proposal for this
14:15:46 <darobin> ... we have the status quo, and I can make changes based on a proposal
14:16:19 <dom> Zakim, unmute me
14:16:19 <Zakim> dom should no longer be muted
14:17:03 <richt> dom: if we need both fields for compatibility to e.g. vCard then we should keep them. if not, then one field should go.
14:17:30 <Zakim> -fjh_
14:17:46 <dom> (PoCo has both displayName and name.Formatted ; so we should keep both)
14:17:49 <dom> http://portablecontacts.net/draft-spec.html#name_element
14:18:04 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
14:18:50 <dom> formatted: "The full name, including all middle names, titles, and suffixes as appropriate, formatted for display" 
14:19:21 <dom> displayName: "The name of this Contact, suitable for display to end-users. The value provided SHOULD be the primary textual label by which this Contact is normally displayed by the Service Provider when presenting it to end-users. "
14:19:58 <richt> darobin: any other contact issues we need to discuss?
14:20:12 <richt> dom, I can include that text in to the spec.
14:20:13 <darobin> Robin: so we keep them, and make sure to reflect the initial meanings
14:20:28 <richt> Topic: WebIDL changes
14:20:46 <richt> darobin: we have a few specs that are impacted by this change to nullability.
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14:21:18 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:21:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, dom, darobin, richt, Kangchan, SungOk_You, Dong-Young_Lee, wonsuk, Cathy_Chan, +1.425.214.aaaa, Laszlo_Gombos, Frederick_Hirsch
14:21:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, bryan_sullivan, Cathy, Wonsuk, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, SungOk_You, darobin, Kangchan, richt, lgombos, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, dom, trackbot
14:21:32 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:21:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:21:37 <richt> darobin: we should go through the specs to make sure the WebIDL makes sense.
14:21:41 <richt> Topic: Other APIs
14:22:01 <richt> darobin: sent some feedback to the battery and messaging APIs
14:22:16 <richt> anssi: thanks for the feedback. will start to include the feedback shortly.
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14:22:47 <richt> darobin: if you're going to make the changes then we're going to be able to republish fairly soon
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14:23:01 <richt> anssi: I'll try to incorporate the feedback asap.
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14:23:22 <richt> anssi: feedback from developers has been positive on this to date.
14:23:57 <richt> darobin: On the Network Information API, I've committed some changes. Will ask for feedback soon.
14:24:11 <richt> darobin: On Calendar API, nothing new since last week
14:24:15 <fjh___> Dom added webidl item to checklist
14:24:20 <dom> q+ re Media Capture API
14:24:58 <fjh> Ack dom
14:24:58 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to discuss Media Capture API
14:25:08 <dom> ACTION: Dom to integrate robin's feedback on messaging
14:25:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-400 - Integrate robin's feedback on messaging [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2011-06-01].
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14:25:40 <richt> dom: we also have the Media Capture API that has not been updated in a long time.
14:25:47 <richt> dom: how does it relate to the new WebRTC WG?
14:26:25 <richt> darobin: specifically if it relates to getUserMedia then we should pass it over to WebRTC
14:26:37 <richt> dom: let's discuss this with WebRTC tomorrow on the call.
14:27:25 <richt> dom: Feature Permissions, not sure what the standing of the draft is.
14:27:26 <darobin> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/perms/FeaturePermissions.html
14:27:53 <richt> lazlo: took ownership of the spec. not really ready for any sort of publication right now.
14:28:05 <richt> dom: let's announce it to the public mailing list.
14:28:12 <fjh_> s/lazlo/laszlo/
14:28:37 <richt> laszlo: I'll send an email to the mailing list that this spec has been transferred to DAP
14:28:43 <dom> ACTION: Dom to suggest redirecting previous copy of features permissions to new one to Web Notif WG
14:28:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-401 - Suggest redirecting previous copy of features permissions to new one to Web Notif WG [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2011-06-01].
14:28:52 <fjh_> Topic: testing
14:29:16 <richt> darobin: Dom has started some work on testing around the Contacts API.
14:29:30 <darobin> s/some work/some excellent work/
14:29:32 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0028.html
14:29:34 <richt> dom: as part of this work we created a Mercurial repo for the tests.
14:29:43 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0037.html
14:29:52 <richt> dom: so far, developed 8 tests. Updated to match the latest edits.
14:31:00 <richt> dom: don't need a separate account to access Mercurial for group members. HTTP-based.
14:31:34 <richt> darobin: perhaps we should start moving everything over to Mercurial
14:31:53 <richt> darobin: might make sense to see if it
14:32:01 <bryan_sullivan> +1
14:32:07 <richt> darobin: ...is easier to use Mercurial than CVS
14:32:28 <dom> (yes, redirect isn't a problem)
14:32:45 <fjh_> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:32:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-dap-minutes.html fjh_
14:33:00 <Zakim> -Laszlo_Gombos
14:33:02 <Zakim> -AnssiK
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14:33:06 <Zakim> - +1.425.214.aaaa
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14:33:07 <richt> darobin: that's it for now. meeting adjourned.
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14:33:18 <Zakim> -richt
14:33:18 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:33:20 <Zakim> Attendees were AnssiK, fjh, sungok_you, dom, darobin, richt, Kangchan, Frederick_Hirsch, Cathy_Chan, wonsuk, Dong-Young_Lee, fjh_, +1.425.214.aaaa, Laszlo_Gombos
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16:34:52 <dom> Zakim, room for 6 tomorrow at 9am?
16:34:52 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dom.
16:35:22 <dom> Zakim, room for 6 tomorrow at 9:00?
16:35:25 <Zakim> ok, dom; conference Team_(dap)13:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) tomorrow at 09:00 for 60 minutes until 1400Z
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