16:35:47 RRSAgent has joined #webrtc 16:35:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-webrtc-irc 16:35:55 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:36:37 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2011May/0006.html 16:36:51 Meeting: Web Real-Time Communications Teleconference 16:37:00 Chair: Harald 16:52:44 nstratford has joined #webrtc 16:52:54 nstratford has left #webrtc 16:55:51 danyork has joined #webrtc 16:56:13 voxeo_jose has joined #webrtc 16:56:28 hta has joined #webrtc 16:56:40 hello everyone. Will be right with you. 16:57:15 stefanh has joined #webrtc 16:57:30 nstratford has joined #webrtc 16:58:57 Team_(webrtc)17:00Z has now started 16:58:59 +??P19 16:59:04 +[Mozilla] 16:59:06 -[Mozilla] 16:59:06 +[Mozilla] 16:59:23 +[Mozilla.a] 16:59:35 +??P20 16:59:39 zakim, ??P19 is me 16:59:40 +francois; got it 16:59:56 zakim, ??P20 is me 16:59:56 +nstratford; got it 17:00:00 scribe: francois 17:00:04 zakim, code? 17:00:04 the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), francois 17:00:09 + +1.650.241.aaaa 17:00:12 + +46.7.03.60.aabb 17:00:14 zakim, who is on the phone? 17:00:17 On the phone I see [Mozilla], francois, [Mozilla.a], nstratford, +1.650.241.aaaa, +46.7.03.60.aabb 17:00:19 +StefanH 17:00:23 + +1.603.756.aacc 17:00:26 zakim, aaaa is hta 17:00:28 +hta; got it 17:00:30 +[Voxeo] 17:00:36 + +1.703.471.aadd 17:00:42 + +358.408.20aaee 17:01:01 +Caroline 17:01:07 + +7.299.57.aaff 17:01:11 +Dan_Druta 17:01:20 -Caroline 17:01:25 +Dan_Burnett 17:01:37 zakim, who is on the phone? 17:01:37 On the phone I see [Mozilla], francois, [Mozilla.a], nstratford, hta, +46.7.03.60.aabb, StefanH, +1.603.756.aacc, [Voxeo], +1.703.471.aadd, +358.408.20aaee, +7.299.57.aaff, 17:01:40 ... Dan_Druta, Dan_Burnett 17:01:50 +Caroline 17:01:56 DanD has joined #webrtc 17:02:04 -[Mozilla.a] 17:02:22 burn_ has joined #webrtc 17:02:32 zakim, I am Dan_Burnett 17:02:32 ok, burn_, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett 17:02:36 Dan York from Voxeo on the phone. 17:03:36 I am Dan Druta from AT&T 17:03:53 -hta 17:04:07 zakim, +1.407.418.1800 is me 17:04:07 sorry, voxeo_jose, I do not recognize a party named '+1.407.418.1800' 17:04:15 + +1.206.256.aagg 17:04:22 +hta 17:05:00 anant has joined #webrtc 17:05:04 zakim, who's noisy? 17:05:05 blizzard has joined #webrtc 17:05:07 salvatore has joined #webrtc 17:05:15 burn_, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: hta (17%) 17:06:15 A number of people joined #webrtc over on Freenode... I provided the URL to get over here. 17:06:24 (also on freenode since that has a port I can get to with an irc client) 17:06:25 derf has joined #webrtc 17:06:35 hta: there are some people who are on IRC and some who are not. Let's go for a quick round of introductions. 17:07:04 welcome to the first teleconference 17:07:28 zakim, who's here? 17:07:28 On the phone I see [Mozilla], francois, nstratford, +46.7.03.60.aabb, StefanH, +1.603.756.aacc, [Voxeo], +1.703.471.aadd, +358.408.20aaee, +7.299.57.aaff, Dan_Druta, Dan_Burnett, 17:07:30 still working out the bugs 17:07:31 ... Caroline, +1.206.256.aagg, hta 17:07:33 On IRC I see derf, salvatore, blizzard, anant, burn_, DanD, nstratford, stefanh, hta, voxeo_jose, danyork, RRSAgent, Zakim, francois 17:09:21 info on using zakim: http://www.w3.org/2002/01/UsingZakim 17:09:25 dyork has joined #webrtc 17:10:03 derf has joined #webrtc 17:10:40 Present: Harald, Stefan, francois, DanBurnett, ChrisBlizzard, DanDruta, Cullen, NeilStratford, DanYork 17:11:17 anant_ has joined #webrtc 17:11:44 bitshaq has joined #webrtc 17:11:50 dromasca has joined #webrtc 17:12:04 hi just joining the irc room. been on the call. 17:12:15 Present+ Goran, Jose, ChristopheEyrignoux. 17:12:33 blizzard_ has joined #webrtc 17:12:43 Present+ Steve? 17:13:09 cullenfluffyjenni has joined #webrtc 17:13:34 [hta reviewing the agenda] 17:14:02 hta: Decision we need to make at this call is basically when next calls will be and whether we want to meet F2F. 17:14:15 hta: none here 17:14:20 ... According to W3C rules, F2F meetings need to be announced pretty much in advance. 17:14:24 ... Comments on the agenda? 17:14:28 [none heard] 17:14:29 gape has joined #webrtc 17:14:50 Topic: Round table introductions 17:15:02 1 per organization? 17:15:03 hta: With so many people, that would take a long time. 17:15:09 1 per company 17:15:50 hta: 1 per company. From Google, what I hope is to define APIs that would allow to make audio/video conference calls within Web browsers. 17:16:40 cullen: 100% in line with what's already been said. 17:17:07 DanBurnett: I'd like to have Jose to explain Voxeo's position 17:17:50 Jose: We've coming in from the API perspective as well. We don't represent a browser vendor but we've been trying to define this API for some time, so we're really excited to see this work going on. 17:18:43 ChristopheEyrignoux: For France Telecom / Orange. I'd like this API to enable interconnection with SIP-RTC. 17:19:02 ... Signaling should allow for format negotiation. 17:19:23 - +1.603.756.aacc 17:19:48 + +1.603.756.aahh 17:20:01 DanDruta: for AT&T, we're actively involved in other works that would like to take advantage of these capabilities on a standard basis. 17:20:23 hta: That was me rejoining... I lost audio and had to drop off and rejoin 17:20:28 Goran: From Ericsson, we want this to be interoperable and secure. 17:20:51 Present+ DanRomascanu 17:21:05 DanRomascanu: from Avaya. 17:21:23 francois, add "datagram" to Ericsson expectations 17:21:50 solution to be browser independent and accomodate various classes of devices via negociation capabilities 17:22:46 hta: I guess we all see the need for interoperable APIs, that's the key word here. How much of the datagram format needs to be exposed is still unclear. 17:22:50 bitshaq_ has joined #webrtc 17:23:01 ... I think that might be enough for our expectation for now. 17:23:08 Topic: Web RTC WG Overview 17:23:20 hta: Looking at the charter, it's all about API functions. 17:23:29 -> http://www.w3.org/2011/04/webrtc-charter.html Web RTC WG charter 17:23:49 hta: we expect collaboration with the IETF RTCWEB group, Cullen is one of the chairs. 17:24:07 cullen: yes, I recognize many people here, so think things will go smooth. 17:24:40 hta: people expressed that they did not want W3C to define which codecs are mandatory. 17:25:05 ... Discussion is still going on in IETF. Will that be smooth? ;) 17:26:26 aaaand I need to vanish 17:26:26 ... There is one proposal definitely in scope for one of our API functions written by Ian Hickson. 17:26:27 :( 17:26:30 another thing at 1030 17:26:58 ... The WHATWG has the spec, in scope for our work. It helps a great deal to have only one spec to do one thing. 17:27:12 ... We need to work on relationship with WHATWG. 17:28:17 DanBurnett: it is important to clarify the relation with WHATWG as it is a recurring topic at W3C. 17:28:40 -francois 17:29:02 richt has joined #webrtc 17:29:22 +??P16 17:29:28 zakim, ??P16 is me 17:29:28 +francois; got it 17:29:29 dan: use cases are going to drive everything. clearing up use-cases will make clear what groups to co-ordinate with 17:30:00 Present+ AnantNayaranan 17:30:09 Present+ Rich_Tibbett 17:30:22 ???: what are the groups with need to talk precisely for privacy and security aspects? 17:30:33 francois, ??? was cullen 17:31:08 stefan: Device APIs has done that up until now. 17:31:34 Cullen: I don't understand how groups use to coordinate at W3C, which is why I raise the question. 17:31:59 s/???:/Cullen:/ 17:32:13 goran: the list in the charter is a good starting point. I think one good starting point for the group would be to work on use cases. 17:32:28 ... to get a feeling of who we need to involve. 17:32:41 hta: there was one use cases document that was presented by IETF. 17:33:00 ... Not sure where it makes sense to keep this work. Joint document? 17:33:21 goran: Ericsson's willing to work on it in both forums. 17:33:23 +1 on that viewpoint 17:34:02 hta: Joint documents are generally shared. Keeping it as Internet Draft and asking both sides for review seems like the way to go. 17:34:34 DanBurnett: the IETF is going to operate at the network layer. The W3C at the upper layer, it may be wise to split the document. 17:34:54 goran: you're right, but first use cases would better appear in a common document. 17:35:06 ... I would suggest to start with a common one at least for 3 weeks. 17:35:18 hta: yes, let's start with a common one. 17:35:51 goran: I'd like to know examples of use cases at W3C. 17:36:40 hta: that's where the mailing-list should come into action. Goran, could you point people to the latest draft? 17:36:57 goran: yes, volunteers are welcome, by the way. 17:37:19 hta: That also covers our topic on first next steps, and some of "who would be willing to contribute". 17:37:34 ... I need to leave very early. Can we jump to next meetings? 17:37:40 Topic: Next meetings 17:38:07 hta: A lot of us are going to Quebec end of July for IETF meeting and RTCWEB F2F. 17:38:27 ... I would suggest to hold a F2F for the W3C group as well. 17:39:03 cullen: Do you want to have it in parallel with other meetings or at the beginning or the end of meetings? 17:39:17 hta: I was thinking of Friday afternoon. 17:40:21 Ha! Indeed, by Friday people are ready to leave an IETF 17:40:35 DanR: If we know now, I can ping the secretariat. My strong preference would be for Sunday. 17:41:00 hta: we might not need too much time because the same discussions will happen at the RTCWEB meeting. 17:41:24 Cary has joined #webrtc 17:41:25 ... I think we should announce as soon as we know we can hold it in Sunday 17:41:35 Chris has joined #Webrtc 17:42:03 DanB: I would note that participants may not be exactly the same, and you should not assume that discussions and people will be exactly the same. 17:42:12 ... Don't shorten the time. 17:42:21 ??2: fully agree with that 17:42:44 ??3: what's normal here? 3 hours or 4 hours? 17:43:02 DanB: It very much depends, based on experience, on where we're at. 17:43:02 that was Cullen 17:43:34 Sorry, I will try and remember to say my name :-) 17:43:43 ... everything's not necessarily decided on mailing-lists at W3C. Crossing over lunch break is very nice. 17:44:19 ... It could perhaps help to improve mix networking between groups 17:44:25 hta: ok, we have a proposal here. 17:44:46 ... Next question is how often should we make phone calls? 17:45:15 ... Groups vary in the number of phone calls they have. 17:46:00 -nstratford 17:46:12 DanB: We recently chartered the Audio incubator group, starting with a group who didn't want to have phone calls. Then we went on a call every 2 week basis, to discuss and resolve issues. 17:46:36 ... There is an advantage to having a group that meets often on the phone. 17:46:59 hta: 3 weeks from now on 8 June, we have the RTCWeb interim meeting. 17:47:30 ... I think we need to talk before or after about where we are here. 17:47:58 +??P19 17:48:01 ... In two weeks from now, but June 2nd is vacation day. 17:48:08 ... June 1st or June 6th. 17:48:50 goran: I would suggest 7th (?) 17:48:50 Zakim, ??P19 is me 17:48:50 +nstratford; got it 17:49:13 [consensus to create a Doodle around info date] 17:49:29 ??3: one question about conference bridge. 17:49:30 q+ 17:50:51 ack me 17:51:19 -hta 17:51:27 francois: matter of estimating the maximum number of people for the reservation. I said 15, turns out it was not enough. 17:52:15 stefan: I think we've been through the agenda, so unless there's anything left that people would like to discuss, we could close. 17:53:11 ... I note that there is a TPAC meeting in November in Santa Clara and think we should go there. 17:53:26 DanB: deadline for registration is past, do you think we can find a meeting room? 17:53:28 - +1.603.756.aahh 17:53:32 - +358.408.20aaee 17:53:33 - +46.7.03.60.aabb 17:53:34 -Dan_Burnett 17:53:35 - +1.703.471.aadd 17:53:36 - +7.299.57.aaff 17:53:39 -nstratford 17:53:40 -[Mozilla] 17:53:40 -StefanH 17:53:50 francois: I will investigate. I think that's doable given that the group did not exist when the questionnaire was sent out. 17:53:53 -francois 17:53:58 -Caroline 17:54:02 [call adjourned] 17:54:09 -[Voxeo] 17:54:38 - +1.206.256.aagg 17:54:58 anant has joined #webrtc 17:55:51 zakim, who is on the call? 17:55:51 On the phone I see Dan_Druta 17:57:13 i/cullen: 100%/[scribe had sound troubles and missed speaker]/ 17:59:17 s/interoperable and secure/interoperable, secure and to include datagrams/ 17:59:29 s/??3/Cullen/ 17:59:44 s/francois, ??? was cullen// 17:59:53 -Dan_Druta 17:59:54 Team_(webrtc)17:00Z has ended 17:59:56 Attendees were [Mozilla], francois, nstratford, +1.650.241.aaaa, +46.7.03.60.aabb, StefanH, +1.603.756.aacc, hta, [Voxeo], +1.703.471.aadd, +358.408.20aaee, Caroline, 17:59:58 ... +7.299.57.aaff, Dan_Druta, Dan_Burnett, +1.206.256.aagg, +1.603.756.aahh 18:00:48 RRSAgent, draft minutes 18:00:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-webrtc-minutes.html francois 18:17:47 dyork has left #webrtc 18:18:22 dyork has joined #webrtc 18:18:54 dyork has left #webrtc 18:59:58 anant_ has joined #webrtc 19:49:21 dyork_ has joined #webrtc 19:59:50 anant has joined #webrtc 20:17:47 Zakim has left #webrtc 22:09:06 RRSAgent, bye 22:09:06 I see no action items