13:51:07 RRSAgent has joined #lld 13:51:07 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc 13:52:30 rrsagent, bookmark 13:52:30 See http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T13-52-30 13:53:48 zakim, this will be lld 13:53:48 ok, tbaker; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 13:54:45 Meeting: LLD XG 13:54:48 Chair: Tom 13:54:58 rrsagent, please make record public 13:55:56 antoine has joined #lld 13:56:01 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0040 13:56:05 zakim, who is here? 13:56:05 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has not yet started, antoine 13:56:17 jeff_ has joined #lld 13:56:23 Regrets: Monica, Daniel, Kai, Gordon, Ross 13:56:37 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started 13:56:43 +??P7 13:56:55 emma has joined #lld 13:57:05 zakim, ??P7 is me 13:57:05 +antoine; got it 13:57:15 Regrets+ Lars 13:57:16 kcoyle has joined #lld 13:57:16 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html 13:57:38 Regrets+ Kevin 13:57:51 rrsagent, please draft minutes 13:57:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html antoine 13:58:20 +??P11 13:58:24 rrsagent, please make record public 13:58:31 ??P11 is TomB 13:58:54 zakim, TomB is tbaker 13:58:54 sorry, antoine, I do not recognize a party named 'TomB' 13:59:28 +??P14 13:59:29 +emma 13:59:31 CaptSolo has joined #lld 13:59:32 rrsagent, please draft minutes 13:59:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html antoine 13:59:41 zakim, ??P14 is kcoyle 13:59:41 +kcoyle; got it 13:59:44 zakim, ??P14 is kcoyle 13:59:44 I already had ??P14 as kcoyle, tbaker 13:59:47 zakim, who is here? 13:59:47 On the phone I see antoine, ??P11, emma, kcoyle 13:59:48 +jeff_ 14:00:01 zakim, ??P11 is tbaker 14:00:01 +tbaker; got it 14:00:26 regrets+ Ray 14:00:33 zakim, mute me 14:00:33 jeff_ should now be muted 14:00:44 pmurray has joined #lld 14:00:49 marcia has joined #lld 14:01:27 +??P17 14:01:30 zakim, ??P17 is me 14:01:30 +CaptSolo; got it 14:02:26 Scribe: uldis 14:02:35 Scribenick: uldis 14:02:38 jodi has joined #LLD 14:02:38 * my Internet connection may be off during the meeting. it is not stable. Have 3G backup then. 14:02:47 digikim_ has joined #lld 14:03:33 zakim, who is on the call? 14:03:33 On the phone I see antoine, tbaker, emma, kcoyle, jeff_ (muted), CaptSolo 14:03:35 +jodi 14:03:42 +marcia 14:03:43 zakim, please mute me 14:03:43 jodi should now be muted 14:04:03 zakim, mute me 14:04:03 marcia should now be muted 14:04:14 code not valid... 14:04:30 Regrets+ Kevin 14:04:36 @digikim: 55394? 14:04:42 yes 14:05:01 with a pound sign at the end? 14:05:18 tbaker: 55394# is not valid... 14:05:28 phone or skype? 14:05:35 skype, calling boston number 14:05:49 edsu has joined #lld 14:05:57 digikim_: the code works for me on skype, also calling the US number 14:06:06 uldis: strange 14:06:06 zakim, who is here? 14:06:06 On the phone I see antoine, tbaker, emma, kcoyle, jeff_ (muted), CaptSolo, jodi (muted), marcia (muted) 14:06:08 I didn't have problems via skype, but who knows... 14:06:20 I've had that experience, too, Karen 14:06:29 we're wondering if there is a problem with the phone bridge and suggest you try again 14:06:37 ...i.e., start over 14:06:44 +??P31 14:06:58 zakim, ??P31 is digikim 14:06:58 +digikim; got it 14:07:16 zakim, digikim is really digikim_ 14:07:16 +digikim_; got it 14:07:24 zakim, who's here ? 14:07:24 On the phone I see antoine, tbaker, emma, kcoyle, jeff_ (muted), CaptSolo, jodi (muted), marcia (muted), digikim_ 14:07:40 Topic: Admin 14:07:58 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html 14:08:14 PROPOSED: To accept http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html 14:08:15 Minutes ++ :_) 14:08:23 s/PROPOSED/RESOLVED/ 14:08:32 (the two first times the bridge did not say "please enter your ... code" -- on the third time it did, perhaps that is related to the problem? but everything is ok now.) :) 14:08:51 tbaker: assuming charter is going to be extended to Aug 31. 14:09:03 +[LC] 14:09:04 ... put schedule of telcos for these months on the plan 14:09:07 Topic: Final Report 14:09:14 zakim, LC is edsu 14:09:14 +edsu; got it 14:09:31 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport 14:09:32 tbaker: updated the draft report on the wiki 14:09:57 ... to reflect the proper links and section headings. 14:10:11 ... action on Kim to updated the transcluded version. 14:10:28 ... with the exception for the Section on available vocabs & data sets 14:10:53 kim? 14:11:15 ww has joined #lld 14:11:22 digikim_: Tom is asking whether it's difficult to update the transcluded version (i.e. is it ok to do this twice, later)? 14:11:38 +??P33 14:11:43 zakim, ??P33 is me 14:11:43 +ww; got it 14:11:49 zakim, mute me 14:11:49 ww should now be muted 14:11:58 ... if Kim could post a link to the list to the transcluded version 14:12:07 digikim_: will post a link in a few days 14:12:50 RESOLVED: Section owners to try to be ready for reviewers next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action01] 14:13:09 ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06] 14:13:16 CONTINUES 14:13:18 --CONTINUES 14:13:20 --continues 14:13:36 ACTION: Section owners to try to be ready for reviewers next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action01] 14:13:40 --done 14:13:57 ACTION: Chairs to send an email on the list to ask people to be ready [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action02] 14:14:00 --done 14:14:16 tbaker: let's move to the 1st section of the report 14:14:37 ... sent an email to list asking for lightweight reviews, to be done over the coming week 14:14:53 ... where someone from outside the group working on the section looks at the section 14:15:22 ... if there are any issues, controversial, missing content 14:15:37 ... just need a few coments. be ready to do that by the next week's call 14:16:04 scope is very short so it's a good one to volunteer for! :) 14:16:15 ... scope section 14:16:35 ... any volunteers? 14:16:56 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report 14:17:06 ... actually, everyone should look at this section 14:17:14 q+ on controversy 14:17:22 ... to see if are consistent with other sections, etc. 14:17:30 zakim, unmute me 14:17:30 ww should no longer be muted 14:17:32 ack ww 14:17:32 ww, you wanted to comment on controversy 14:18:16 ... doesn't mean we don't want controversion things in the report 14:18:21 zakim, mute me 14:18:21 ww should now be muted 14:18:27 ... but point out if there are controversial things in the report 14:18:36 +1 for everyone 14:18:38 +1 for everyone 14:18:39 +1 everyone 14:18:50 but someone has to send an email! 14:18:54 :-) 14:19:14 I can send that email 14:19:32 ACTION: everyone to read http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report and do lightweight review 14:19:34 zakim, unmute me please 14:19:34 jodi should no longer be muted 14:20:32 ... need to make sure the entire group has read the report. but in the first stage we need just some basic feedback. 14:21:14 antoine: need to appoint someone to send the email 14:22:14 jodi: scope is different from other sections in that all need to review, and someone needs to post an email re that 14:22:15 suggest to refer to the explanations of these basic concepts, in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Introduction:_Scope_and_Definitions 14:22:22 ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement 14:22:41 zakim, who is here? 14:22:42 On the phone I see antoine, tbaker, emma, kcoyle, jeff_ (muted), CaptSolo, jodi, marcia (muted), digikim_, edsu, ww (muted) 14:22:52 tbaker: next: Benefits section 14:23:28 emma: updated to take into account the comments sent to the list 14:23:37 emma++ # thanks 14:24:11 ... also editing re benefits to students, organizations, etc. 14:24:25 ... section re benefits for developers is still raw, needs work 14:24:57 ... also for benefits re linked data (perhaps also needs benefits for using OWL, SKOS, ...) 14:25:25 tbaker: currently there is a placeholder (re making it library specific) which we can remove now 14:25:36 ... volunteers? 14:25:49 i'm not sure we have the right people on the call 14:25:57 I can do it... 14:26:00 emma: this is a short section too 14:26:12 I can do for "Benefits to Researchers, Students and Patrons " part 14:26:28 q+ 14:26:41 ack emma 14:27:32 ACTION: tbaker to ask hideaki or dickson to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits 14:28:21 yes done !! 14:28:23 done, imho 14:28:33 ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and add to bullet-points [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05] 14:28:36 --done 14:28:58 tbaker: Next: Available Vocabularies and Datasets 14:29:13 ... planned as a separate deliverable 14:29:32 ... but also planned ot include a short section in the report, summarizing this deliverable 14:29:33 q? 14:29:45 antoine: that's still the plan. 14:29:57 ... but deliverable not done yet 14:30:36 ... could have a reviewer who could look at it starting from next Monday 14:30:55 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section 14:31:04 ... by next Monday should have the section as well 14:31:40 is that ok with you, Marcia, Jeff, William? 14:31:43 tbaker: looking for a reviewer for this section (on Tuesday) and say a few words on the next call 14:31:49 ok with me 14:31:49 * yes 14:31:50 zakim, unmute me 14:31:50 jeff_ should no longer be muted 14:31:55 i can try to do it 14:32:23 s/can try to/will/ 14:32:23 *I was going to ask Ed to do it! 14:32:36 marcia: :-D 14:32:40 ACTION: Ed to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section next Tuesday for discussion on Thursday 14:32:53 tbaker: Next: Relevant technologies 14:32:58 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies 14:33:08 jeff_: web services part has been added 14:33:32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0027.html 14:33:51 tbaker: can remove the tasks from the running agenda 14:34:00 I can do that 14:34:03 tbaker: volunteers for review? 14:34:22 ACTION: Karen to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies for next week 14:34:28 zakim, mute me 14:34:28 jeff_ should now be muted 14:34:44 ... Next: IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION 14:34:51 ... an ongoing action 14:35:27 ... action continues 14:35:41 ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] 14:35:45 I can do it 14:35:45 --continues 14:36:31 ACTION: Antoine to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page for next week 14:36:57 tbaker: Next: RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS 14:37:01 ... key part of the report 14:37:09 "the recommendations will be tweeted" ;) 14:37:32 I can do that 14:37:36 ... really important to get it right 14:37:52 +1 ww: suggests everyone looks at that 14:37:58 +1 ww 14:38:06 +1 ww 14:38:10 shall i post this as action to Jeff or to everyone? 14:38:16 but perhaps a couple of weeks later :-) 14:38:44 q+ 14:38:47 well, we need such a section, but we'd need someone to write it 14:38:53 ack antoine 14:38:53 ... re curriculum section that could be canceled if not done 14:39:01 he became interim chair of his department, I think, so unexpectedly busy 14:39:08 emma, ok 14:39:13 +1 to antoine 14:39:42 ACTION: Jeff to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page for next week 14:40:11 tbaker: action re asking about curriculum issues 14:41:14 ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section 14:42:01 tbaker: Next: LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE 14:42:11 s/is/will be 14:42:21 ... an action to review the deliverable 14:42:47 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset 14:42:50 ... asks if Ed would look at the deliverable as well 14:43:10 antoine: re a deliverable and a summary of it in the report 14:43:11 *Ed: a list of vocabularies 14:43:28 -emma 14:43:32 ... thought it is one review action for both things together 14:43:35 ... texts overlap 14:43:57 edsu: i can do that 14:44:15 antoine: deliverable still not finished yet. 14:44:35 + +1.678.235.aaaa 14:44:49 +emma 14:46:02 tbaker: Next: USE CASES 14:46:17 ... Daniel working on summarizing the use cases 14:46:35 ... still work to be done 14:47:06 ... reviewer needed, to look at the structure, summaries, give some comments 14:47:36 ... great work already done 14:48:45 ... need a volunteer 14:48:54 q+ heads-up about early review of use case 14:49:07 ACTION: Jodi to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next week 14:49:08 well, sending an email is easy 14:49:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0042.html 14:49:15 so this is the substantial one 14:49:27 q+ 14:49:42 ack antoine 14:50:03 so we can expect an update soon 14:50:08 antoine: re the review of the use cases, Daniel wrote he will send something today 14:50:16 thanks, Antoine, I'll wait a few days 14:50:40 ... best if Jodi waits 1-2 days before starting reviewing or asks Daniel what's the status 14:51:01 tbaker: end of agenda for today 14:51:15 quick first draft of the updated transcluded page: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion 14:51:16 tbaker: anything else to discuss? 14:51:27 ... need to finish by August 14:51:43 ... need to get the text out to a wider circle to people 14:52:07 ... we should ask people who are not on telcos and ask if they'd review specific sections when they're more polished 14:52:30 ... should also advertise report sections and look for more feedback 14:52:44 q+ 14:52:57 ... some will be at the LOD-LAM summit (June 2,3) -- a chance to discuss and get feedback 14:53:11 ack kcoyle 14:53:12 ... at some point will transfer text from wiki to HTML 14:53:42 kcoyle++ 14:53:45 kcoyle++ 14:53:51 kcoyle: re the LOD-LAM summit -- we need to get wide attention on this report during the review work 14:54:04 ... important both to get feedback and to get buy-in 14:54:05 q+ 14:54:13 +1 14:54:18 ... what is out strategy? 14:54:29 +1 to substantial invited review 14:54:30 ack edsu 14:54:31 ... to ask particular people and organizations to review and comments? 14:54:43 tbaker: proposal to have more targeted list re who reviews 14:54:46 yes 14:54:47 me too 14:55:04 pmurray has left #lld 14:55:16 doing a session -- it's an unconference 14:55:17 pmurray has joined #lld 14:55:18 ... 5 people from the call will be there 14:55:34 +Karen 14:55:36 kcoyle: will be a BarCampy kind of event 14:55:46 ISWC and DC should also be used for dissemination 14:55:50 ... one session could be re working on the recommendations 14:56:41 ... re strategy: will we solicit comments from organizations such as LoC, the British Library? from the individuals? 14:56:52 edsu++ 14:56:59 edsu++ 14:57:05 edsu: should ask for comments from people we don't know. but also want to ask specific people too. 14:57:27 kcoyle: from technical point of view -- should be easy to comment on particular sections 14:57:37 +1 to making it easy to comment 14:57:43 ... there was some software / webapp that makes it easy 14:57:48 commentpress, for instance 14:57:57 ... where can upload the document and comment by the side of the document 14:58:03 +1 easy commenting 14:58:12 I'm a bit skeptical... 14:58:13 for instance: http://a.nnotate.com/ and http://www.futureofthebook.org/commentpress/ 14:58:13 Google docs does that too... 14:58:21 indeed! 14:58:27 reminds how php.net allows to comment on the documentation (though at a webpage, not section level) 14:58:35 There was a JISC document like that? 14:58:51 tbaker: suggestions how to this 14:58:56 ok! 14:59:04 sure ! 14:59:07 (I'm not making the agenda, though...) 14:59:18 s/making the agenda/chairing next call 14:59:19 (you wish...) ;) 14:59:53 ACTION: Antoin and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting comments at next call 15:00:05 s/Antoin/Antoine 15:00:19 thanks 15:00:19 bye 15:00:21 -jeff_ 15:00:21 jodi has left #LLD 15:00:22 bye 15:00:23 -kcoyle 15:00:24 tbaker: meeting finished 15:00:25 -pmurray 15:00:25 bye all 15:00:26 zakim, please list attendees 15:00:26 As of this point the attendees have been antoine, emma, kcoyle, jeff_, tbaker, CaptSolo, jodi, marcia, digikim_, edsu, ww, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray 15:00:27 -marcia 15:00:28 -ww 15:00:29 -jodi 15:00:29 -digikim_ 15:01:20 zakim, list attendees 15:01:20 As of this point the attendees have been antoine, emma, kcoyle, jeff_, tbaker, CaptSolo, jodi, marcia, digikim_, edsu, ww, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray 15:01:23 zakim, please list attendees 15:01:23 As of this point the attendees have been antoine, emma, kcoyle, jeff_, tbaker, CaptSolo, jodi, marcia, digikim_, edsu, ww, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray 15:01:26 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:01:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html tbaker 15:01:27 anyone going to SemTech? 15:01:30 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:01:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html emma 15:01:38 -edsu 15:03:21 uldis if you wish, please ask to the list about SemTech! 15:03:40 antoine: ok 15:03:49 -emma 15:03:55 -antoine 15:03:56 pmurray has left #lld 15:03:56 -tbaker 15:03:56 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended 15:03:58 Attendees were antoine, emma, kcoyle, jeff_, tbaker, CaptSolo, jodi, marcia, digikim_, edsu, ww, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray 15:04:04 zakim, bye 15:04:04 Zakim has left #lld 15:04:09 rrsagent, byes 15:04:09 I see 15 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-actions.rdf : 15:04:09 ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06] [1] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-13-09 15:04:09 ACTION: Section owners to try to be ready for reviewers next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action01] [2] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-13-36 15:04:09 ACTION: Chairs to send an email on the list to ask people to be ready [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action02] [3] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-13-57 15:04:09 ACTION: everyone to read http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report and do lightweight review [4] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-19-32 15:04:09 ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [5] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-22-22 15:04:09 ACTION: tbaker to ask hideaki or dickson to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [6] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-27-32 15:04:09 ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and add to bullet-points [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05] [7] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-28-33 15:04:09 ACTION: Ed to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section next Tuesday for discussion on Thursday [8] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-32-40 15:04:09 ACTION: Karen to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies for next week [9] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-34-22 15:04:09 ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] [10] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-35-41 15:04:09 ACTION: Antoine to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page for next week [11] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-36-31 15:04:09 ACTION: Jeff to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page for next week [12] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-39-42 15:04:09 ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [13] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-41-14 15:04:09 ACTION: Jodi to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next week [14] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-49-07 15:04:09 ACTION: Antoin and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting comments at next call [15] 15:04:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc#T14-59-53