IRC log of dap on 2011-05-18

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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 May 2011
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0007.html
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Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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Regrets+ Suresh_Chitturi
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Regrets+ Anssi_Kostiainen, John_Morris, Dzung_Tran, Cecile_Marc,
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Regrets+ Jerome_Giraud
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+??P0
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zakim, i ??s me
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I don't understand 'i ??s me', fjh
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zakim, ?? is me
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+fjh; got it
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s/zakim, i ??s me//
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Zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
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Revised minutes for approval, link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/att-0006/minutes-2011-05-11.html
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+??P1
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+??P2
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Zakim, ??P2 is me
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+dom; got it
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Zakim, ??P1 is me
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+darobin; got it
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+nwidell
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scribeNick: nwidell
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Present+ Niklas_Widell
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Present+ Kyung-Tak_Lee
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zakim, who is here?
14:05:08 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, darobin, dom, nwidell
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On IRC I see Cathy, Kyungtak, darobin, nwidell, Wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, lgombos, dom, trackbot
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Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
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+ +44.208.144.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is me
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+richt; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see fjh, darobin, dom, nwidell, richt
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On IRC I see Cathy, Kyungtak, darobin, nwidell, Wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, lgombos, dom, trackbot
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Topic: Administrative
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19-21 July F2F logistics, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Apr/0000.html
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Please register - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/paris-2011/
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fjh: Remember to register for F2F
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TAG minimization draft, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0004.html
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feedback requested
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Topic: Minutes approval
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/att-0006/minutes-2011-05-11.html
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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 11 May 2011 are approved
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Topic: Charter
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http://www.w3.org/2010/11/DeviceAPICharter.html
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Under AC Review, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0005.html
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fjh: Charter is under AC review, there don't seem to be much discussion though.
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+Cathy_Chan
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dom: It is good if WG participants ensure that their AC reps comment/vote on charter
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group members please make sure AC reps complete survey and that participants join the group
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Topic: Contacts
14:11:28 [nwidell]
fjh: What is current status?
14:11:52 [nwidell]
richt: Not much progress lately, but can go to last call at any point.
14:12:09 [nwidell]
... implementation is more worrisome
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fjh: Is there additional editing necessary?
14:12:29 [dom]
issue-110?
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ISSUE-110 -- Contacts API needs to integrate HTML Event Loop -- open
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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/110
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richt: Spec is publishable, not worried about time
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fjh: So we should go ahead and publish and handle comments as they come in?
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darobin: Isn't event loop issue partially resolved?
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"Reuse text from getUserMedia, it probably makes sense." http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/271
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http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/#widl-Contacts-find-caller-void-DOMStringArray-fields-ContactFindCB-successCB-ContactErrorCB-errorCB-ContactFindOptions-options
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so, I guess we should close ISSUE-110 and go to LC
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http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.87;r2=1.88;f=h
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ISSUE-110: implemented in http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.87;r2=1.88;f=h
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ISSUE-110 Contacts API needs to integrate HTML Event Loop notes added
14:15:40 [nwidell]
darobin: The part that remains that is not LC ready is the search part of the spec
14:15:47 [dom]
close ISSUE-110
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ISSUE-110 Contacts API needs to integrate HTML Event Loop closed
14:16:13 [nwidell]
richt: Yes, search is outstanding. Time frame?
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dom: LC is good, will give more incentive for implementers
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richt: Using existing snapshots of draft can go to LC soon
14:18:02 [dom]
-1 on intermediary draft; but I'd like the search stuff to be fixed before going to LC
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I can take a stab at fixing search if that's what it takes to start a cfc to LC
14:18:58 [nwidell]
richt: things on ToDo list: Microdata, Searching, Event Loop
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see fjh, darobin, dom, nwidell, richt, Cathy_Chan
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On IRC I see Cathy_, Kyungtak, Cathy, darobin, nwidell, Wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, lgombos, dom, trackbot
14:19:46 [dom]
I think Microdata isn't a blocker for LC; I think Event Loop is solved enough for my taste for LC; so I would think only search is standing on the way to LC
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14:20:44 [dom]
I can take an action to fix Search, but I would rather avoid a one-week delay before starting CfC
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"Do Or Do Not, There Is No Try"
14:21:05 [richt]
that would be welcome dom.
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+1
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ACTION: Dom to fix Search in Contacts and ping chairs to start Contacts LC CfC
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Created ACTION-394 - Fix Search in Contacts and ping chairs to start Contacts LC CfC [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2011-05-25].
14:22:27 [nwidell]
richt: Search is only big block,
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+1
14:23:31 [nwidell]
darobin: possible to wrap search up tomorrow and issue 13 day CfC?
14:23:51 [darobin]
proposed RESOLUTION: Dom fixes before tomorrow, and we have a CfC ending on the call after next
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CfC ends by 8 June
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proposed RESOLUTION: Dom fixes before 19 May and we have a CfC ending on 08 June
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gives at least a month for review before F2F
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sounds good.
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RESOLUTION: Dom fixes before 19 May and we have a CfC ending on 08 June
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Topic: Other APIs
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fjh: Feature Permissions, not much progress yet
14:26:45 [nwidell]
darobin: SysInfo, not sure what to do about it, not much momentum at the moment, should
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... perhaps to extract to simpler specs
14:27:23 [nwidell]
darobin: Battery, updates would nice, but should be able to make LC fairly soon
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(I think we should do a bit more than report "no progres", but try to get input from editors as to why there is no progress)
14:28:29 [nwidell]
fjh: Good to have Battery in better state before new charter
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ACTION-377?
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ACTION-377 -- Robin Berjon to bring a Capabilities Container proposal to the WG -- due 2011-04-06 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/377
14:29:46 [nwidell]
dom: More editorial assistance needed for feature permissions spec?
14:31:42 [nwidell]
darobin: Battery seems pretty mature spec-wise, small things outstanding. Please do close review of spec
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... so we can go to LC.
14:34:07 [nwidell]
richt: battery, no need to make distinction between charging/battery. level sufficient.
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darobin: don't agree, charging or not is important. Time Remaining is more unreliable, not neccessarily available
14:36:28 [nwidell]
... Which distinctions do we need to make (limited/unlimited energy left?)
14:36:50 [darobin]
ACTION: Robin to do a thorough review of Battery and send to list
14:36:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-395 - Do a thorough review of Battery and send to list [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-25].
14:37:06 [nwidell]
darobin: Network, still stuck
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darobin: Calender, what next?
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richt: Would be happy to have somebody else to handle more editorial work on Calendar
14:38:35 [darobin]
ACTION: Rich to email the group looking for editors for Calendar
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Sorry, couldn't find user - Rich
14:39:00 [fjh]
ACTION: Richt to email the group looking for editors for Calendar
14:39:00 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-396 - Email the group looking for editors for Calendar [on Richard Tibbett - due 2011-05-25].
14:39:09 [fjh]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-dap-minutes.html fjh
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darobin: Capture, dom had outstanding actions to reply to HTML WG.
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s/group members please make sure AC reps complete survey and that participants join the group//
14:40:01 [nwidell]
dom: Replied to HTML WG, feedback from Hixie was that existing implementation uses MIME type parameter
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0151.html Hixie's response on HTML Media Capture
14:40:14 [nwidell]
... also should be part of HTML instead
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darobin: Too late to get it into HTML5 spec
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ACTION: Robin to coordinate with HTML WG chairs about Capture, include the HCG
14:41:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-397 - Coordinate with HTML WG chairs about Capture, include the HCG [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-25].
14:41:30 [nwidell]
dom: DAP Chair to coordinate with HTML Chairs
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darobin: Messaging, some updates have been made to spec
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dom: Feature-wise spec is ready, new API shape had some negative feedback - so which way forward.
14:43:25 [nwidell]
... would be very good with some implementation, but don't seem to be much activity at the moment.
14:44:29 [nwidell]
darobin: Not very high priority, but would be good to review spec, fix minor things (callbacks, errors)
14:44:54 [nwidell]
... we can take it slowly
14:44:57 [darobin]
ACTION: Robin to review Messaging and send feedback to the list
14:44:57 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-398 - Review Messaging and send feedback to the list [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-25].
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Topic: Privacy Requirements
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fjh: nothing to report
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-dom
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-richt
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-fjh
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-Cathy_Chan
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-dap-minutes.html fjh
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-darobin
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