13:51:02 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:51:02 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-dap-irc 13:51:04 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:51:04 Zakim has joined #dap 13:51:06 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:51:06 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes 13:51:07 Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference 13:51:07 Date: 18 May 2011 13:51:42 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0007.html 13:52:43 Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:52:48 Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:53:38 Regrets+ Suresh_Chitturi 13:55:34 Regrets+ Anssi_Kostiainen, John_Morris, Dzung_Tran, Cecile_Marc, 13:55:35 Wonsuk has joined #dap 13:55:59 Regrets+ Jerome_Giraud 13:56:45 nwidell has joined #dap 13:57:00 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:57:07 +??P0 13:57:11 zakim, i ??s me 13:57:11 I don't understand 'i ??s me', fjh 13:57:20 zakim, ?? is me 13:57:20 +fjh; got it 13:57:32 s/zakim, i ??s me// 13:58:07 Zakim, code? 13:58:07 the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom 14:00:53 Revised minutes for approval, link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/att-0006/minutes-2011-05-11.html 14:00:57 +??P1 14:01:17 darobin has joined #dap 14:01:46 +??P2 14:01:48 Zakim, ??P2 is me 14:01:48 +dom; got it 14:02:00 Kyungtak has joined #dap 14:02:00 Zakim, ??P1 is me 14:02:00 +darobin; got it 14:02:19 +nwidell 14:03:00 scribeNick: nwidell 14:03:13 Present+ Niklas_Widell 14:04:01 Present+ Kyung-Tak_Lee 14:04:56 Cathy has joined #dap 14:05:08 zakim, who is here? 14:05:08 On the phone I see fjh, darobin, dom, nwidell 14:05:09 On IRC I see Cathy, Kyungtak, darobin, nwidell, Wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, lgombos, dom, trackbot 14:05:18 Present+ Wonsuk_Lee 14:05:44 + +44.208.144.aaaa 14:05:53 zakim, aaaa is me 14:05:53 +richt; got it 14:06:32 zakim, who is here? 14:06:32 On the phone I see fjh, darobin, dom, nwidell, richt 14:06:33 On IRC I see Cathy, Kyungtak, darobin, nwidell, Wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, lgombos, dom, trackbot 14:06:40 Topic: Administrative 14:07:40 Kyungtak has joined #dap 14:08:03 19-21 July F2F logistics, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Apr/0000.html 14:08:04 Please register - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/paris-2011/ 14:08:04 fjh: Remember to register for F2F 14:08:29 TAG minimization draft, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0004.html 14:08:41 feedback requested 14:09:10 Topic: Minutes approval 14:09:13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/att-0006/minutes-2011-05-11.html 14:09:29 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 11 May 2011 are approved 14:09:38 Topic: Charter 14:09:46 http://www.w3.org/2010/11/DeviceAPICharter.html 14:09:46 Under AC Review, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0005.html 14:09:59 fjh: Charter is under AC review, there don't seem to be much discussion though. 14:10:18 +Cathy_Chan 14:10:42 dom: It is good if WG participants ensure that their AC reps comment/vote on charter 14:10:42 group members please make sure AC reps complete survey and that participants join the group 14:11:10 Topic: Contacts 14:11:28 fjh: What is current status? 14:11:52 richt: Not much progress lately, but can go to last call at any point. 14:12:09 ... implementation is more worrisome 14:12:24 fjh: Is there additional editing necessary? 14:12:29 issue-110? 14:12:29 ISSUE-110 -- Contacts API needs to integrate HTML Event Loop -- open 14:12:29 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/110 14:12:53 richt: Spec is publishable, not worried about time 14:13:22 fjh: So we should go ahead and publish and handle comments as they come in? 14:13:50 darobin: Isn't event loop issue partially resolved? 14:13:54 "Reuse text from getUserMedia, it probably makes sense." http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/271 14:13:58 http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/#widl-Contacts-find-caller-void-DOMStringArray-fields-ContactFindCB-successCB-ContactErrorCB-errorCB-ContactFindOptions-options 14:14:12 Cathy_ has joined #dap 14:14:34 so, I guess we should close ISSUE-110 and go to LC 14:15:12 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.87;r2=1.88;f=h 14:15:25 ISSUE-110: implemented in http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.87;r2=1.88;f=h 14:15:25 ISSUE-110 Contacts API needs to integrate HTML Event Loop notes added 14:15:40 darobin: The part that remains that is not LC ready is the search part of the spec 14:15:47 close ISSUE-110 14:15:47 ISSUE-110 Contacts API needs to integrate HTML Event Loop closed 14:16:13 richt: Yes, search is outstanding. Time frame? 14:17:01 dom: LC is good, will give more incentive for implementers 14:17:58 richt: Using existing snapshots of draft can go to LC soon 14:18:02 -1 on intermediary draft; but I'd like the search stuff to be fixed before going to LC 14:18:25 I can take a stab at fixing search if that's what it takes to start a cfc to LC 14:18:58 richt: things on ToDo list: Microdata, Searching, Event Loop 14:19:35 zakim, who is here? 14:19:35 On the phone I see fjh, darobin, dom, nwidell, richt, Cathy_Chan 14:19:36 On IRC I see Cathy_, Kyungtak, Cathy, darobin, nwidell, Wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, lgombos, dom, trackbot 14:19:46 I think Microdata isn't a blocker for LC; I think Event Loop is solved enough for my taste for LC; so I would think only search is standing on the way to LC 14:20:14 Kangchan has joined #dap 14:20:44 I can take an action to fix Search, but I would rather avoid a one-week delay before starting CfC 14:21:04 "Do Or Do Not, There Is No Try" 14:21:05 that would be welcome dom. 14:21:14 +1 14:21:49 ACTION: Dom to fix Search in Contacts and ping chairs to start Contacts LC CfC 14:21:49 Created ACTION-394 - Fix Search in Contacts and ping chairs to start Contacts LC CfC [on Dominique Hazaƫl-Massieux - due 2011-05-25]. 14:22:27 richt: Search is only big block, 14:23:31 +1 14:23:31 darobin: possible to wrap search up tomorrow and issue 13 day CfC? 14:23:51 proposed RESOLUTION: Dom fixes before tomorrow, and we have a CfC ending on the call after next 14:24:24 CfC ends by 8 June 14:24:53 proposed RESOLUTION: Dom fixes before 19 May and we have a CfC ending on 08 June 14:25:01 gives at least a month for review before F2F 14:25:08 sounds good. 14:25:15 RESOLUTION: Dom fixes before 19 May and we have a CfC ending on 08 June 14:25:34 Topic: Other APIs 14:25:58 fjh: Feature Permissions, not much progress yet 14:26:45 darobin: SysInfo, not sure what to do about it, not much momentum at the moment, should 14:26:57 ... perhaps to extract to simpler specs 14:27:23 darobin: Battery, updates would nice, but should be able to make LC fairly soon 14:27:28 (I think we should do a bit more than report "no progres", but try to get input from editors as to why there is no progress) 14:28:29 fjh: Good to have Battery in better state before new charter 14:29:08 ACTION-377? 14:29:08 ACTION-377 -- Robin Berjon to bring a Capabilities Container proposal to the WG -- due 2011-04-06 -- OPEN 14:29:08 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/377 14:29:46 dom: More editorial assistance needed for feature permissions spec? 14:31:42 darobin: Battery seems pretty mature spec-wise, small things outstanding. Please do close review of spec 14:31:51 ... so we can go to LC. 14:34:07 richt: battery, no need to make distinction between charging/battery. level sufficient. 14:35:05 darobin: don't agree, charging or not is important. Time Remaining is more unreliable, not neccessarily available 14:36:28 ... Which distinctions do we need to make (limited/unlimited energy left?) 14:36:50 ACTION: Robin to do a thorough review of Battery and send to list 14:36:50 Created ACTION-395 - Do a thorough review of Battery and send to list [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-25]. 14:37:06 darobin: Network, still stuck 14:37:23 darobin: Calender, what next? 14:38:06 richt: Would be happy to have somebody else to handle more editorial work on Calendar 14:38:35 ACTION: Rich to email the group looking for editors for Calendar 14:38:35 Sorry, couldn't find user - Rich 14:39:00 ACTION: Richt to email the group looking for editors for Calendar 14:39:00 Created ACTION-396 - Email the group looking for editors for Calendar [on Richard Tibbett - due 2011-05-25]. 14:39:09 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:39:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:39:16 darobin: Capture, dom had outstanding actions to reply to HTML WG. 14:39:51 s/group members please make sure AC reps complete survey and that participants join the group// 14:40:01 dom: Replied to HTML WG, feedback from Hixie was that existing implementation uses MIME type parameter 14:40:13 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0151.html Hixie's response on HTML Media Capture 14:40:14 ... also should be part of HTML instead 14:40:39 darobin: Too late to get it into HTML5 spec 14:41:19 ACTION: Robin to coordinate with HTML WG chairs about Capture, include the HCG 14:41:19 Created ACTION-397 - Coordinate with HTML WG chairs about Capture, include the HCG [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-25]. 14:41:30 dom: DAP Chair to coordinate with HTML Chairs 14:41:57 darobin: Messaging, some updates have been made to spec 14:42:49 dom: Feature-wise spec is ready, new API shape had some negative feedback - so which way forward. 14:43:25 ... would be very good with some implementation, but don't seem to be much activity at the moment. 14:44:29 darobin: Not very high priority, but would be good to review spec, fix minor things (callbacks, errors) 14:44:54 ... we can take it slowly 14:44:57 ACTION: Robin to review Messaging and send feedback to the list 14:44:57 Created ACTION-398 - Review Messaging and send feedback to the list [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-25]. 14:45:32 Topic: Privacy Requirements 14:45:36 fjh: nothing to report 14:46:01 -dom 14:46:06 -richt 14:46:08 -fjh 14:46:10 -Cathy_Chan 14:46:16 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:46:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:48:06 -darobin 14:48:22 Kangchan has left #dap 14:49:34 -nwidell 14:49:36 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:49:38 Attendees were fjh, dom, darobin, nwidell, +44.208.144.aaaa, richt, Cathy_Chan 15:23:47 fjh_ has joined #dap 16:48:22 Zakim has left #dap 17:22:09 fjh_ has joined #dap