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19:10:59 <JatinderMann> meeting: Web Performance WG Teleconference #32 Agenda 2011-05-11
19:11:25 <JatinderMann>  agenda+	Feedback and discussion on Resource Timing.
19:11:33 <JatinderMann>  agenda+	Feedback and discussion on User Timing.
19:11:48 <JatinderMann>  agenda+	Feedback and discussion on Page Visibility.
19:11:55 <JatinderMann>  agenda+	Feedback and discussion on requestAnimationFrame.
19:12:09 <JatinderMann> chair: Jatinder Mann
19:12:13 <JatinderMann> scribe: Jatinder Mann
19:12:16 <JatinderMann> present+ Jatinder
19:12:24 <JatinderMann> present+ Nic Jansma
19:12:29 <JatinderMann> present+ Karen Anderson
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20:02:32 <JatinderMann> present+ ZhihengW
20:02:44 <JatinderMann> present+ Christian
20:02:51 <JatinderMann> present+ Arvind
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20:03:54 <JatinderMann> present+ TonyG
20:04:04 <JatinderMann> move to agenda 1
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20:05:11 <JatinderMann> We agree that to decrease default buffer size to 150 from 1000
20:05:34 <JatinderMann> Made the change to remove fetchEnd and made secureConnectionStart optional
20:06:12 <JatinderMann> Made the change to remove getResourceTimingsByType method
20:06:58 <JatinderMann> Suggest removing the last sentence in the definition of responseEnd, as we are now only showing responseEnd and not fetchEnd:
20:07:12 <JatinderMann> Remove this sentence from responseEnd: “If the last non-redirected fetch of the resource is not the same origin as the current document,responseEnd must return zero unless the Timing-Allow-Origin HTTP response header rules apply.”
20:07:40 <JatinderMann> We all agree with this change.
20:08:52 <JatinderMann> Zhiheng: In 4.2 "Downloadable resources that are retrieved from the user agent's cache must be included in the PerformanceResourceTiming interface."
20:09:00 <JatinderMann> ...this seems to contradict the first example.
20:09:44 <JatinderMann> Nic: The first example can be made a bit more clear what kind of cache item is not being included.
20:10:16 <JatinderMann> Action Nic to update the first example in Section 4.2 to make the cache item clear.
20:10:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Update the first example in Section 4.2 to make the cache item clear. [on Nic Jansma - due 2011-05-18].
20:10:42 <JatinderMann> Action Nic to add SVG to Section 4.1
20:10:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Add SVG to Section 4.1 [on Nic Jansma - due 2011-05-18].
20:11:19 <JatinderMann> Zhiheng: * In 4.3, We need more clarification about the accessing model about redirectStart and redirectEnd. 
20:14:15 <JatinderMann> Action Jatinder to update Section 4.3 and Processing Model to refer to Timing-Allow-Origin header section.
20:14:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Update Section 4.3 and Processing Model to refer to Timing-Allow-Origin header section. [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-05-18].
20:22:14 <JatinderMann> The WG agrees that we should spend the next two weeks looking into the spec and preparing to enter Last Call. We should forward the spec to all interested parties for feedback.
20:22:56 <JatinderMann> move to agenda 2
20:24:06 <JatinderMann> Tony and James to follow up with a proposal to make the measure API more coherent with the marks concept.
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20:27:24 <plh> zakim, list conferences
20:27:24 <Zakim> I see RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM, Team_(idbrowser)20:00Z, WAI_CG()2:30PM active
20:27:26 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are IA_Fonts()4:00PM, INC_SSN()4:00PM, WF_(COMM)4:00PM
20:27:31 <plh> zakim, this is web-per
20:27:31 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM
20:27:37 <Zakim> +Plh
20:28:08 <Christian> can we rename +1.650.253.aacc to [Google], like [Microsoft]?
20:28:53 <plh> zakim, aacc is [Google]
20:28:53 <Zakim> +[Google]; got it
20:29:09 <Christian> thx
20:31:43 <BWeigand> Can +1.503.712.aaaa be marked as [Intel]
20:32:15 <plh> zakim, aaaa is [Intel]
20:32:15 <Zakim> +[Intel]; got it
20:32:38 <plh> zakim won't remember those btw. it needs.
20:33:06 <JatinderMann> Let's target FPWD for the Resource Timing spec for two weeks from now.
20:33:21 <plh> s/needs further intervention for that/
20:33:49 <Zakim> - +44.207.184.aadd
20:33:50 <Zakim> -Plh
20:33:54 <Zakim> - +1.650.691.aabb
20:33:55 <Zakim> -[Intel]
20:35:25 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:42:17 <Zakim> -[Google]
20:42:18 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM has ended
20:42:20 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.503.712.aaaa, +1.650.691.aabb, +1.650.253.aacc, +44.207.184.aadd, Plh, [Google], [Intel]
21:01:00 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM has now started
21:01:07 <Zakim> +??P0
21:01:09 <heycam> Zakim, ??P0 is me
21:01:09 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
21:01:26 <Zakim> +Plh
21:01:36 <Zakim> +[Intel]
21:01:53 <JatinderMann> move to agenda 3
21:01:59 <Zakim> +jamesr
21:02:04 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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21:02:10 <jamesr> Zakim, who is on the call?
21:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see heycam, Plh, [Intel], jamesr, [Microsoft]
21:02:12 <JatinderMann> present+ Jamesr
21:02:15 <jamesr> cool
21:05:13 <JatinderMann> 1. We are all leaning towards document.visible. Jatinder to analyze data to see which of the following names to use for PageVisibility: window.visible, document.visible, window.pageVisible and document.pageVisible.
21:07:45 <JatinderMann> We are okay with not supporting onvisibilitychange.
21:12:30 <JatinderMann> Making prerender and preview states as optional.
21:32:29 <Zakim> -jamesr
21:32:30 <Zakim> -heycam
21:32:30 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:32:32 <Zakim> -[Intel]
21:36:28 <JatinderMann> Using DOMString constants instead of unsigned short constants
21:36:39 <JatinderMann> ...Need constants to allow web developers to inspect for capability
21:36:51 <JatinderMann> ...webIDL spec, http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-constants, allows for DOMString constants
21:37:41 <JatinderMann> Don't believe we need to require PAGE_OTHER. UA can always add prefixed state.
21:38:02 <JatinderMann> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:38:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/11-webperf-minutes.html JatinderMann
21:38:41 <JatinderMann> dismiss zakim and rrsagent
21:38:56 <JatinderMann> zakim, please part
21:38:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were heycam, Plh, [Intel], jamesr, [Microsoft]
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21:39:06 <JatinderMann> rrsagent, please part
21:39:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items