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13:49:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:49:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:49:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:49:09 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2011
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13:53:09 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0002.html
13:53:17 <dom> Chair: Robin_Berjon
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13:53:32 <darobin> trackbot: prepare meeting
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13:53:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:53:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:53:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:53:37 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2011
13:53:43 <darobin> Chair: Robin Berjon
13:53:48 <darobin> Regrets: Frederick Hirsch
13:56:55 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:57:02 <Zakim> +??P0
13:57:17 <AnssiK> zakim, +??P0 is me
13:57:17 <Zakim> sorry, AnssiK, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
13:57:39 <AnssiK> zakim, +??P0 is me
13:57:39 <Zakim> sorry, AnssiK, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
13:57:46 <SungOk_You> Present+ Sung-Ok_You
13:58:36 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
13:58:42 <dom> Zakim, ??P0 is AnssiK
13:58:42 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:00:00 <dom> Zakim, code?
14:00:00 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
14:00:10 <Zakim> +??P1
14:00:20 <Zakim> +??P2
14:00:26 <dom> Zakim, ??P2 is me
14:00:26 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:00:54 <dom> Zakim, ??P2 is SungOK
14:00:54 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as dom, dom
14:00:57 <dom> Zakim, ??P1 is SungOK
14:00:57 <Zakim> +SungOK; got it
14:01:01 <dom> Zakim, who's noisy?
14:01:12 <Zakim> dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SungOK (5%), dom (35%)
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14:01:35 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:01:43 <Suresh> Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
14:01:49 <Zakim> +??P3
14:02:00 <darobin> Zakim, ??P3 is me
14:02:00 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
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14:02:51 <cmarc> Present+ Cecile_Marc
14:03:11 <Zakim> + +1.972.373.aaaa
14:03:25 <Suresh> Zakim, aaaa is Suresh
14:03:25 <Zakim> +Suresh; got it
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14:04:03 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aabb
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14:04:20 <nwidell> Zakim, aabb is nwidell
14:04:20 <Zakim> +nwidell; got it
14:04:28 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:04:35 <cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:05:09 <Zakim> +Vincent_Mahe
14:05:22 <Zakim> +Cathy_Chan
14:05:24 <darobin> zakim, Vincent_Mahe is cmarc 
14:05:24 <Zakim> +cmarc; got it
14:05:27 <dom> Zakim, Vincent_Mahe is really Cecile_Marc
14:05:27 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named 'Vincent_Mahe'
14:05:44 <dom> Zakim, and we mean it for good!
14:05:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'and we mean it for good!', dom
14:06:01 <Zakim> -Cathy_Chan
14:06:35 <AnssiK> ScribeNick: AnssiK
14:06:49 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Welcome
14:06:55 <darobin> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Apr/0000.html
14:07:02 <AnssiK> darobin: about f2f logistics
14:07:06 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/paris-2011/ registration
14:07:29 <AnssiK> ... the reg form should be filled in by everyone, 4 replies so far
14:07:45 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to send out a reminder to register for f2f
14:07:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-393 - Send out a reminder to register for f2f [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-05-18].
14:07:58 <Zakim> +Cathy_Chan
14:08:16 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-battery-status-20110426/
14:08:30 <AnssiK> ... announcements: 1) Battery Status Event FPWD published
14:08:31 <darobin> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011May/0001.html
14:08:47 <AnssiK> ... 2) PhoneGap has implemented the Capture API
14:08:57 <AnssiK> ... feel free to comment at will
14:09:11 <AnssiK> ... moratorium until May 24, so no publishing for couple of weeks
14:09:15 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Minutes approval
14:09:18 <darobin> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/att-0106/minutes-2011-04-20.html
14:09:37 <AnssiK> RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
14:09:46 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Network Connection
14:10:03 <AnssiK> darobin: I made quite many updates to the doc
14:10:11 <AnssiK> ... but did not commit them to the CVS
14:10:54 <Wonsuk> Wonsuk has joined #dap
14:10:55 <AnssiK> ... and killed the laptop, will fetch them from a backup and commit but it'll take some time due to unfortunate events
14:11:49 <AnssiK> Suresh: I have not yet done edits
14:12:05 <AnssiK> ... so that we don't need to resolve CVS conflicts manually
14:12:26 <AnssiK> nwidell: about the SSID
14:12:44 <AnssiK> ... there's a one use case for SSID: find if you're on your home network
14:13:11 <dom> (you could detect that by making an HTTP request to your home server?)
14:13:53 <AnssiK> darobin: as dom notes, an HTTP request should do
14:14:21 <AnssiK> nwidell: we had the same use case for a JSR a few years ago
14:14:38 <Zakim> +??P8
14:14:45 <AnssiK> ... but dom's proposal solved this
14:15:18 <AnssiK> darobin: there are privacy issues in exposing SSID, would need user's explicit concent, makes UX cumbersome
14:15:39 <AnssiK> ... another thing is that SSID may leak too much info, such as that you are at a specific airport
14:16:07 <AnssiK> nwidell: ok, I'm fine as it stands
14:16:16 <AnssiK> darobin: the issue is documented in the draft
14:16:21 <AnssiK> TOPIC: HTML Media Capture
14:16:37 <AnssiK> dom: we started a thread with the HTML WG
14:16:49 <Wonsuk> Zakim, ??P8 is me
14:16:49 <Zakim> +Wonsuk; got it
14:16:53 <AnssiK> ... how to move forward with the capture attribute to see if any type of hint is useful
14:17:10 <AnssiK> ... no concensus yet
14:17:23 <darobin> s/concensus/consensus/
14:17:50 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Calendar
14:18:05 <darobin> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0096.html feedback
14:18:18 <AnssiK> darobin: a number of feedback items from Mohamed
14:18:37 <AnssiK> ... anyone planning to bake these in the spec?
14:18:51 <AnssiK> Suresh: if richt is not planning to edit, I will
14:19:19 <AnssiK> ... I can take a look at the comments and work on them
14:19:29 <AnssiK> darobin: many of the comments are editorial in nature
14:19:40 <AnssiK> ... should not be a huge issue to address them
14:19:52 <AnssiK> ... helpful editorial comments, overall
14:20:19 <AnssiK> ... it would be good if you could take the ball on this so that richt can focus on Contacts
14:20:24 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Other APIs
14:20:33 <AnssiK> darobin: any other API topics?
14:20:40 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Action and Issue review
14:20:49 <darobin> ACTION-352?
14:20:49 <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- Robin Berjon to find out where <device> went -- due 2011-03-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:20:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/352
14:21:15 <darobin> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/video-conferencing-and-peer-to-peer-communication.html -> getUserMedia
14:21:21 <AnssiK> darobin: in the latest WHATWG draft there's getUserMedia()
14:21:30 <AnssiK> ... which essentially replaces <device> element
14:21:52 <AnssiK> ... it is a rather interesting thing to look at to contract against the Capture API
14:21:53 <darobin> close ACTION-352
14:21:53 <trackbot> ACTION-352 Find out where <device> went closed
14:21:57 <darobin> close ACTION-354?
14:22:07 <darobin> ACTION-354?
14:22:07 <trackbot> ACTION-354 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look for a new place for hosting ReSpec Issues -- due 2011-05-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:22:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/354
14:22:11 <darobin> close ACTION-354
14:22:11 <trackbot> ACTION-354 Look for a new place for hosting ReSpec Issues closed
14:22:38 <darobin> -> http://code.w3.org/respec/ respec trac instance
14:22:51 <AnssiK> darobin: for those who are interested, ReSpec.js now has a Trac instance
14:23:07 <AnssiK> ... there's an issue tracker and all the other usual Trac provided infra available
14:23:16 <AnssiK> ... end of agenda, anything else?
14:23:23 <AnssiK> ... thanks for attending, everyone!
14:23:29 <nwidell> bye
14:23:33 <Zakim> -Suresh
14:23:34 <Zakim> -cmarc
14:23:34 <AnssiK> ... don't forget to register for f2f!
14:23:35 <Zakim> -dom
14:23:35 <Zakim> -darobin
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14:23:48 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:23:50 <Zakim> Attendees were AnssiK, dom, SungOK, darobin, +1.972.373.aaaa, Suresh, +46.1.07.15.aabb, nwidell, Cathy_Chan, cmarc, Wonsuk
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