IRC log of er on 2011-04-27
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 3794
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
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- Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 27 April 2011
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- chair: Shadi
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- agenda+ Welcome
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- agenda+ [EARL 1.0 Schema] reviewing open notes
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- agenda+ [HTTP-in-RDF] reviewing open notes
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- agenda+ [Content-in-RDF] reviewing open notes
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- agenda+ [Pointers-in-RDF] reviewing open notes
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- agenda+ [EARL 1.0 Guide] review outline
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- agenda+ Any other business
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- agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Apr/0040.html
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- 12:24:50 [shadi]
- hola!
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- zakim, call shadi-617
- 12:28:10 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +??P16
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- zakim, ? is Philip
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- +Philip; got it
- 12:31:54 [carlos]
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- + +1.231.125.aaaa
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- 12:32:30 [shadi]
- zakim, aaaa is Kostas
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- +Kostas; got it
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- +Carlos_Iglesias
- 12:34:08 [shadi]
- scribe: Philip
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- scribenick: philip_
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- + +030111aabb
- 12:35:27 [sinarmaya]
- me
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- zakim, aabb is Emmanuelle
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- +Emmanuelle; got it
- 12:35:53 [shadi]
- agenda?
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- +??P19
- 12:36:08 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:36:22 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is CarlosV
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- +CarlosV; got it
- 12:36:54 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Apr/0037
- 12:37:01 [carlosV]
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- zakim, mute me
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- CarlosV should now be muted
- 12:37:53 [philip_]
- approve publication on next weeks call
- 12:38:04 [philip_]
- Shadi: approve publication on next weeks call
- 12:38:23 [philip_]
- Shadi: very urgent
- 12:38:48 [philip_]
- Shadi: review specs until next week
- 12:39:06 [philip_]
- Shadi: basically review the changes
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/timeline
- 12:41:25 [philip_]
- Shadi: discuss open issues today
- 12:42:38 [philip_]
- Shadi: changes to the specs where mostly minor, mostly editorial changes
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- Shadi: EARL guide with substantial changes
- 12:43:29 [philip_]
- Shadi: Conformance section moved from the specs
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "[EARL 1.0 Schema] reviewing open notes" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:44:48 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#note1
- 12:44:49 [carlosV]
- zakim, unmute me
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- CarlosV should no longer be muted
- 12:45:45 [philip_]
- Shadi: suggestions: keep editor note and wait for feedback or remove it
- 12:46:09 [philip_]
- Shadi: keep it or remove it?
- 12:46:33 [philip_]
- Shadi: anybody objects?
- 12:47:16 [philip_]
- Kostas: wonder why do we need foaf:Document?
- 12:47:39 [philip_]
- CarlosV: equivalent to cnt:Content, so better remove it
- 12:48:09 [philip_]
- Shadi: leave it for this publication so we can still discuss it?
- 12:48:38 [philip_]
- Shadi: change editor's note to "ERT WG plans to remove foaf:Document....."
- 12:48:56 [philip_]
- Shadi: foaf:Document is widely used
- 12:49:11 [philip_]
- Shadi: would like see more arguments for removing it
- 12:49:59 [philip_]
- Shadi: what if you have your library already using foaf:Document? then you have to rewrite it, if we remove it
- 12:50:19 [philip_]
- Shadi: suggestion to discuss this later
- 12:50:42 [philip_]
- Kostas: ok
- 12:51:24 [shadi]
- action: shadi to change editor note 1 in EARL 1.0 Schema to say "ERT is considering removing foaf:Document"
- 12:51:24 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-121 - Change editor note 1 in EARL 1.0 Schema to say "ERT is considering removing foaf:Document" [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-05-04].
- 12:51:42 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#note2
- 12:53:36 [philip_]
- Shadi: continue with this approach?
- 12:54:07 [philip_]
- Kostas: think, it is nice to have it.
- 12:54:28 [philip_]
- Shadi: keep editor note?
- 12:54:36 [philip_]
- CarlosV: would remove it
- 12:54:53 [philip_]
- Shadi: objections for removing it?
- 12:55:08 [shadi]
- action: shadi to remove editor note 2
- 12:55:08 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-122 - Remove editor note 2 [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-05-04].
- 12:55:26 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#note3
- 12:56:20 [philip_]
- Shadi: objection: reusing DOAP vs. DOAP is to broad for our use
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- Shadi: publish with open issue? objections?
- 12:57:23 [philip_]
- Shadi: Software as subclass of doap:Project?
- 12:57:51 [cstrobbe]
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- CarlosV: would prefer not to subclass
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- Carlos: same position, not using DOAP
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- Carlos: but would not object if somebody find it useful
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- Shadi: I think it would be a compromise to subclass daop:Project
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- zakim, I am Christophe_Strobbe
- 13:00:10 [Zakim]
- ok, cstrobbe_, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
- 13:00:32 [philip_]
- Shadi: Keep editor's note
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- Shadi: No response until now from Edd Dumbill
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- Shadi: Any comments? Any objections?
- 13:02:14 [philip_]
- RESOLUTION: Make Software a subclass of doap:Project and keep editor's note
- 13:02:52 [philip_]
- Shadi: Any other comments?
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 3. "[HTTP-in-RDF] reviewing open notes" taken up [from shadi]
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF/#introduction
- 13:04:38 [philip_]
- Shadi: potential conflict HTTP in RDF 1.0 and HTTP 1.1
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- Shadi: Any other comments on this document?
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 4. "[Content-in-RDF] reviewing open notes" taken up [from shadi]
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/Content-in-RDF/#ContentClass
- 13:06:34 [philip_]
- Shadi: Change dct:source to dct:hasFormat and dct:isFormatOf
- 13:06:57 [philip_]
- Shadi: editor's note outdated. Should we still ask for feedback?
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/issues#ContentClass
- 13:09:18 [philip_]
- Shadi: For example text from a server could be recorded in different ways. dct:hasFormat and dct:isFormatOf could relate those instances.
- 13:12:57 [philip_]
- Shadi: suggestion to keep the editor's note and also ask for comments on the use of dct:hasFormat and dct:isFormatOf
- 13:13:26 [philip_]
- CarlosV: do we have the latest version of the RDF files on the web?
- 13:15:07 [shadi]
- action: carlosv to update editor note in content-in-rdf but keep it
- 13:15:07 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-123 - Update editor note in content-in-rdf but keep it [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2011-05-04].
- 13:15:36 [shadi]
- action: shadi to check with carlosV and philip on the latest versions of content-in-rdf drafts
- 13:15:36 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-124 - Check with carlosV and philip on the latest versions of content-in-rdf drafts [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-05-04].
- 13:15:49 [philip_]
- Shadi: Any other comments on this document?
- 13:15:54 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 5. "[Pointers-in-RDF] reviewing open notes" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:16:09 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/Pointers-in-RDF/#namespaceMappingClass
- 13:16:31 [philip_]
- Shadi: Keep that note?
- 13:17:03 [philip_]
- Carlos: It was there for a long time, so I would remove it now. There is not much feedback.
- 13:17:20 [philip_]
- Shadi: anybody objects?
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- action: carlosI to remove editor note from pointers-in-rdf
- 13:18:00 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - carlosI
- 13:18:29 [philip_]
- Shadi: Any other comments on this document?
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 6. "[EARL 1.0 Guide] review outline" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:19:05 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20110427#toc
- 13:20:47 [philip_]
- Shadi: section two is from the current document, section three the conformance sections of the current specs, section four discussed later
- 13:21:17 [philip_]
- Shadi: priority to import conformance sections
- 13:22:18 [philip_]
- Shadi: Any other comments on this document?
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 7. "Any other business" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:23:48 [philip_]
- Shadi: Please review the documents this week. Beginning next week discussion on mailing list. Approve on next meeting.
- 13:23:56 [philip_]
- Shadi: Any other comments?
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 8. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/timeline#meeting
- 13:25:17 [carlos]
- ACTION: ciglesia to remove editor note from pointers-in-rdf
- 13:25:18 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-125 - Remove editor note from pointers-in-rdf [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2011-05-04].
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- -Kostas
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- -Carlos_Iglesias
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Philip
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- -Emmanuelle
- 13:27:26 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: shadi to change editor note 1 in EARL 1.0 Schema to say "ERT is considering removing foaf:Document" [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc#T12-51-24
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- ACTION: shadi to remove editor note 2 [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc#T12-55-08
- 13:27:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: carlosv to update editor note in content-in-rdf but keep it [3]
- 13:27:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc#T13-15-07
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- ACTION: shadi to check with carlosV and philip on the latest versions of content-in-rdf drafts [4]
- 13:27:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc#T13-15-36
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- ACTION: carlosI to remove editor note from pointers-in-rdf [5]
- 13:27:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc#T13-18-00
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- ACTION: ciglesia to remove editor note from pointers-in-rdf [6]
- 13:27:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-er-irc#T13-25-17
- 13:27:29 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, Philip, +1.231.125.aaaa, Kostas, Carlos_Iglesias, +030111aabb, Emmanuelle, CarlosV, Christophe_Strobbe
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- -CarlosV
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- -Shadi
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, Philip, +1.231.125.aaaa, Kostas, Carlos_Iglesias, +030111aabb, Emmanuelle, CarlosV, Christophe_Strobbe