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10:05:44 <stegmai> Zakim, this will be MAWG
10:05:44 <Zakim> ok, stegmai; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
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10:57:12 <jsderber> zakim, this is mawg 
10:57:12 <Zakim> jsderber, I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be mawg".
10:57:50 <jsderber> rrsagent, make log public
10:58:43 <jsderber> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0041.html
10:58:52 <jsderber> chair: Joakim
10:59:32 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has now started
10:59:38 <Zakim> +??P0
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11:00:24 <jsderber> Zakim, ??P0 is me
11:00:24 <Zakim> +jsderber; got it
11:00:38 <stegmai> 6294 is not a valid code - ?!?!
11:01:34 <Zakim> +wbailer
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11:03:18 <Zakim> +florian
11:03:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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11:03:30 <jsderber> regrets: Thierry, Mari Carmen, Tobias
11:04:11 <Zakim> +??P4
11:04:27 <pchampin> zakim, ??P4 is me
11:04:27 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
11:05:06 <Zakim> +??P5
11:05:25 <jsderber> Zakim, ??P5 is me
11:05:25 <Zakim> +jsderber; got it
11:05:55 <jsderber> who can scribe?
11:06:04 <jsderber> ok thanks
11:06:04 <fsasaki> meeting: MAWG
11:06:07 <fsasaki> chair: joakim
11:06:15 <jsderber> scribe: Felix
11:06:23 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0041.html
11:06:35 <fsasaki> topic: intro
11:06:53 <fsasaki> joakim: had a meeting two weeks ago. Next meeting will be 3rd of May
11:07:09 <fsasaki> .. when we will have Thierry back
11:07:12 <jsderber>  http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html
11:07:28 <jsderber>  http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html
11:07:37 <fsasaki> joakim: any objections against accepting previous minutes?
11:08:41 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/2011/04/05-mediaann-minutes.html
11:09:04 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
11:09:17 <fsasaki> topic: action items
11:09:24 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
11:09:39 <fsasaki> ACTION-360
11:10:08 <fsasaki> florian: currently implementing API, later will come up with full-fleshed test suite later
11:10:58 <fsasaki> ACTION-405 - will keep it open
11:11:24 <fsasaki> ACTION-406 - has been done
11:11:35 <fsasaki> joakim: did not get a response, will keep it open
11:11:41 <fsasaki> .. and talk to Apple again
11:12:01 <wbailer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0021.html
11:12:06 <fsasaki> ACTION-407 done
11:12:16 <fsasaki> joakim: see above link
11:12:36 <fsasaki> close ACTION-407
11:12:36 <trackbot> ACTION-407 Send a proposal for changes in the type definitions of the core properties closed
11:12:56 <fsasaki> werner: will implement the proposed change - question is who will do the edits
11:14:23 <fsasaki> action: thierry or another editor of the ontology to implement the changes proposed for ACTION-407
11:14:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-409 - Or another editor of the ontology to implement the changes proposed for ACTION-407 [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-04-26].
11:15:09 <fsasaki> close ACTION-408
11:15:10 <trackbot> ACTION-408 Write a better description for property 'rating' closed
11:15:21 <fsasaki> joakim: will talk to thierry about making the edits to the draft
11:15:36 <fsasaki> close ACTION-408
11:15:36 <trackbot> ACTION-408 Write a better description for property 'rating' closed
11:16:41 <fsasaki> topic: response to HTML5 WG
11:16:55 <Zakim> + +41.22.717.aaaa
11:16:57 <fsasaki> werner: critisim is about the way the API is designed
11:17:36 <fsasaki> .. have the impression that this is in the direction of dougs comments
11:18:20 <fsasaki> joakim: this comment is from an invited expert in the HTML WG
11:18:43 <fsasaki> florian: would be good to see how the html5 WG sees this
11:19:27 <fsasaki> florian: could give them a motivation why this design was choosen
11:20:10 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0225.html
11:22:16 <fsasaki> felix: just FYI, silvia who is also in our group is also sharing the concern of Danny Ayers
11:22:34 <fsasaki> pchampin: 2nd part of the mail from D. Ayers seems to be related to the ontology
11:22:42 <fsasaki> +1
11:22:49 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0201.html
11:22:56 <jsderber>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0201.html,
11:22:59 <fsasaki> "Secondarily - I personally believe the way the ontology is used here
11:23:01 <fsasaki> is wrong-minded. ... "
11:23:33 <fsasaki> pchampin: a bit surprised that silvia is surporting Danny's position
11:24:03 <fsasaki> jp: not sure whether he is pointing at the RDF
11:24:10 <fsasaki> pchampin: not sure either
11:24:50 <fsasaki> jp: I think he is wrong, if you want interoperability you need a common ontology
11:26:56 <fsasaki> werner: first we should clarify that the ontology and the API are two different things
11:27:13 <stegmai> +1 werner
11:27:22 <pchampin> +1 werner
11:27:35 <fsasaki> werner: I agree that if you want interop you have to agree on something
11:27:43 <fsasaki> .. the other point is the discussion of the API
11:29:26 <fsasaki> joakim: could try to get HTML5 folks on our train
11:29:37 <fsasaki> florian: +1
11:29:48 <fsasaki> joakim: who wants to formulate a response?
11:30:25 <fsasaki> jp: he is not happy with the API, that is clear, but the other problems he has need to be clearer
11:31:25 <Zakim> -wbailer
11:32:03 <wbailer> sorry, i dropped out - that was not the response to joakim's question :)
11:32:22 <fsasaki> action: werner to make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks 
11:32:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-410 - Make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks  [on Werner Bailer - due 2011-04-26].
11:32:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:33:31 <fsasaki> present: joakim, werner, jp, pchampin, stegmail
11:33:52 <fsasaki> topic: Metadata format files for the Ontology
11:34:09 <fsasaki> joakim: any need for discussion?
11:34:55 <Zakim> +wbailer
11:35:45 <fsasaki> action: mari to gather the metadata files from Apple
11:35:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-411 - Gather the metadata files from Apple [on Mari Carmen Suarez-Figueroa - due 2011-04-26].
11:36:22 <fsasaki> topic: Revision of the API document
11:36:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:36:46 <fsasaki> florian: have not done any editing, we first need to make a decision
11:37:50 <fsasaki> werner: talked about thatt, mail was about changes in the document
11:38:01 <fsasaki> joakim: any objections against the changes?
11:38:23 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: changes proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0021.html adopted
11:38:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:39:10 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
11:39:47 <fsasaki> pchampin: I sent a proposal to the list about dates in the ontology, that will have influence on the API too
11:40:08 <fsasaki> .. problem is that in many legacy formats date time is defined differently than in XML Schema
11:40:20 <fsasaki> .. this problem is very common, e.g. in ID3
11:40:36 <fsasaki> .. in the ontology and the API we are asking for the use of dateTime
11:40:43 <fsasaki> .. that might not be the best thing to do
11:41:03 <fsasaki> .. I made the proposal to leave it to implementers to keep the date as described in the original data
11:41:18 <fsasaki> .. felix pointed out that there are a number of XML schema data types to do that
11:41:22 <pchampin> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html#date
11:41:38 <fsasaki> .. that needs to be defined in the ontology and explained in the API doc
11:42:32 <fsasaki> .. what does the group think about this?
11:42:45 <fsasaki> .. if the group thinks this is a good idea I can write a propsoal
11:42:47 <fsasaki> +1
11:42:58 <wbailer> +1
11:43:00 <jsderber> +1, i recognize the problem
11:43:10 <pchampin> ok then :)
11:43:40 <stegmai> +1
11:43:51 <pchampin> zakim, who is on the phone?
11:43:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see jsderber, stegmai, felix (muted), pchampin (muted), jsderber.a, +41.22.717.aaaa, wbailer
11:43:53 <jsderber> Jean Pierre, are you there?
11:44:07 <pchampin> action pchampin to write a proposal explaining how/when to use incomplete dates
11:44:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-412 - Write a proposal explaining how/when to use incomplete dates [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2011-04-26].
11:44:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:44:35 <fsasaki> joakim: thanks. adjourn the meeting?
11:44:44 <fsasaki> adjourned
11:44:57 <Zakim> -stegmai
11:44:58 <Zakim> -wbailer
11:44:59 <Zakim> -felix
11:45:05 <Zakim> -pchampin
11:45:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:45:13 <Zakim> -jsderber.a
11:45:45 <jsderber> thanks for scribing!
11:45:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
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12:05:55 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, jsderber, in IA_MAWG()7:00AM
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12:06:00 <Zakim> Attendees were jsderber, wbailer, [IPcaller], felix, pchampin, +41.22.717.aaaa, stegmai
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