IRC log of rdf-json on 2011-04-14

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logging to
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10:12:13 [Steven]
zakim, room for 3 for 120 mins
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I don't understand 'room for 3 for 120 mins', Steven
10:12:27 [Steven]
zakim, room for 3 for 120 minutes
10:12:27 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'room for 3 for 120 minutes', Steven
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hello all
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10:12:49 [Steven]
zakim, room for 3 for 120 minutes?
10:12:50 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; conference Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 120 minutes until 1212Z
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Steven has changed the topic to: Teleconf code 26632
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Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z has now started
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zakim code
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10:13:37 [Steven]
zakim, code?
10:13:37 [Zakim]
the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steven
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10:14:26 [mischat]
zakim, ??P7 is the room
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I don't understand '??P7 is the room', mischat
10:14:32 [mischat]
zakim, ??P7 is mischat
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+mischat; got it
10:14:46 [cygri]
tomayac, can you hear us?
10:15:19 [Steven]
zakim, who is on the call?
10:15:20 [Zakim]
On the phone I see tomayac, mischat
10:15:25 [Steven]
zakim, who is muted?
10:15:25 [Zakim]
I see no one muted
10:15:39 [Steven]
tomayac, can you hear us?
10:15:46 [mischat]
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what steve and I talked about last night
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Hello all
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cygri: Summarising yesterday, linked-data-api and talk about the cut down BBC json
10:19:51 [tomayac]
is there a link to the bbc json story? thanks.
10:20:01 [mischat_]
Guus: asked if there is a document describing the work
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10:20:45 [cygri]
Linked Data API:
10:20:54 [mischat]
the link from yesterday ^^ bbc "cut down json"
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NickH: stated that BBC are hoping to write up the json work
10:22:33 [Steven]
zakim, mute tomayac
10:22:33 [Zakim]
tomayac should now be muted
10:22:42 [mischat_]
cygri: asked if the BBC work is a generic rdf -> json ?
10:22:57 [tomayac]
zakim, unmute me
10:22:57 [Zakim]
tomayac should no longer be muted
10:23:24 [NickH]
10:23:56 [mischat_]
NickH: Stated that the work was designed to handle generic rdf
10:24:19 [tomayac]
memorizing the NYT json again:
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10:24:53 [NickH]
not sure if this is an ideal example
10:25:21 [mischat_]
tomayac: Do say if you would like go talk about the nytimes json
10:25:37 [NickH]
not, it isn't
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Will get some proper examples on to the mailing list
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with some code snippets
10:27:00 [tomayac]
mischat_: simply mentally counter-posed it to bbc's json
10:27:31 [mischat_]
So we have three 3 use-cases :
10:28:19 [mischat_]
1st use case, which json-ld was presented as a potential starting point
10:28:48 [mischat_]
The use case is that you want to give developers the choice to parse the data as json or with the rdf stack
10:28:49 [NickH]
tomayac: is there a spec for the format of the nytimes json?
10:29:50 [tomayac]
NickH: not one that i'm aware of. it's easy enough to derive it by "reverse-engineering" (blown-up word) the sample code
10:29:55 [NickH]
10:30:05 [mischat_]
cygri: To be fair to manu et al and json-ld Has been presented to cover more than just the 1st use case
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10:31:44 [tomayac]
_about is the subject
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on the same level as predicates
10:34:40 [Steven]
zakim, who is on the phone?
10:34:40 [Zakim]
On the phone I see tomayac, mischat
10:35:21 [mischat_]
tomayac: Talked to Evan sandhaus from The nytimes... some points about the json
10:36:28 [mischat_]
It has a comment in it, which they had to do for licensing purposes, if you pass a callback function it will strip out the comment
10:36:45 [mischat_]
All of the slash escaping was
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Done so that the json could be put in <script/> .
10:38:40 [tomayac]
mischat_: small correction: if a string contains </script> ("blabla </script> blalala") this opens the doors for XSS attacks, so they forward all forward slashes
10:39:11 [mischat_]
Thanks tomayac
10:39:40 [tomayac]
escape, not forward
10:41:35 [mischat_]
Nick asked about rdfa profiles and how
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They relate to the json work
10:42:57 [NickH]
mapping that is used to generate both the RDF and JSON:
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10:52:12 [tomayac]
sparql results json seems adequate for results that are well-represented as a table (many rows, similar structure each time), but not so well for just one, deeply nested result
10:54:01 [mischat_]
Sure tomayac I agree, was just playing devils advocate
10:54:29 [tomayac]
got it, mischat_
11:00:33 [mischat_]
We need to capture the inputs on the wiki, we have 3 inputs it seems for the use-case 3
11:00:56 [mischat_]
These are 1 linked data api, 2 BBC json, and 3 nytimes json
11:05:59 [tomayac]
they threw away a lot...
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(not necessarily bad)
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no dot notation
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need to obj['cu:rie']
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cant do obj.cur:ie
11:10:03 [mischat_]
Guus_: Is talking about the recipes and how useful a note would be to start the conversation
11:17:23 [tomayac]
manu and nathan are for sure in
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(so am i, but need the email for concrete todos [hard to follow on the phone only])
11:18:50 [mischat_]
Of course
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(plus missed all the discussions from y'day)
11:19:11 [mischat_]
Again I don't do work which other people would like to do
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(so documented stuff helps a lot)
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Will get some text up over the weekend
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Anyways ... We are grabbing lunch now
11:19:44 [tomayac]
thanks, mischat_! highly appreciated
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bon app├ętit!
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Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z has ended
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Attendees were tomayac, mischat
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate Steven
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate Steven
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Chair: Guus
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Meeting: RDF WG FtF Breakout on JSON
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Present: cycri, StevenPemberton, mischat, Guus, tomlurge, NickH, tomayac
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate Steven
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12:42:20 [Steven]
zakim, who is on the call?
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apparently Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z has ended, Steven
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On IRC I see Steven, mbrunati, webr3, mischat__, tomlurge, Zakim, RRSAgent
12:42:26 [Steven]
zakim, bye
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12:42:33 [Steven]
rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items