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10:12:13 <Steven> zakim, room for 3 for 120 mins
10:12:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'room for 3 for 120 mins', Steven
10:12:27 <Steven> zakim, room for 3 for 120 minutes
10:12:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'room for 3 for 120 minutes', Steven
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10:12:34 <mischat> hello all 
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10:12:49 <Steven> zakim, room for 3 for 120 minutes?
10:12:50 <Zakim> ok, Steven; conference Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 120 minutes until 1212Z
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10:13:17 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Teleconf code 26632
10:13:25 <mischat> 26632
10:13:26 <Zakim> Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z has now started
10:13:29 <mischat> zakim code
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10:13:33 <Zakim> +tomayac
10:13:37 <Steven> zakim, code?
10:13:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steven
10:14:16 <Zakim> +??P7
10:14:26 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is the room 
10:14:26 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P7 is the room', mischat
10:14:32 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is mischat 
10:14:32 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
10:14:46 <cygri> tomayac, can you hear us?
10:15:19 <Steven> zakim, who is on the call?
10:15:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomayac, mischat
10:15:25 <Steven> zakim, who is muted?
10:15:25 <Zakim> I see no one muted
10:15:39 <Steven> tomayac, can you hear us?
10:15:46 <mischat> FWIW http://steveharris.tumblr.com/post/4590579712/construct-json
10:15:53 <mischat> what steve and I talked about last night
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10:17:45 <mischat_> Hello all
10:19:10 <mischat_> cygri: Summarising yesterday, linked-data-api and talk about the cut down BBC json
10:19:51 <tomayac> is there a link to the bbc json story? thanks.
10:20:01 <mischat_> Guus: asked if there is a document describing the work
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10:20:44 <mischat> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sbqnb.json
10:20:45 <cygri> Linked Data API: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/
10:20:54 <mischat> the link from yesterday ^^ bbc "cut down json"
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10:22:02 <mischat_> NickH: stated that BBC are hoping to write up the json work
10:22:33 <Steven> zakim, mute tomayac
10:22:33 <Zakim> tomayac should now be muted
10:22:42 <mischat_> cygri:  asked if the BBC work is a generic rdf -> json ? 
10:22:57 <tomayac> zakim, unmute me
10:22:57 <Zakim> tomayac should no longer be muted
10:23:24 <NickH> RDF/XML: https://gist.github.com/919228
10:23:56 <mischat_> NickH: Stated that the work was designed to handle generic rdf 
10:24:19 <tomayac> memorizing the NYT json again: http://data.nytimes.com//60694995023816375851.json
10:24:43 <NickH> JSON: https://gist.github.com/919230
10:24:53 <NickH> not sure if this is an ideal example
10:25:21 <mischat_> tomayac: Do say if you would like go talk about the nytimes json
10:25:37 <NickH> not, it isn't
10:25:48 <NickH> Will get some proper examples on to the mailing list
10:25:52 <NickH> with some code snippets
10:27:00 <tomayac> mischat_: simply mentally counter-posed it to bbc's json
10:27:31 <mischat_> So we have three 3 use-cases : 
10:28:19 <mischat_> 1st use case, which json-ld was presented as a potential starting point 
10:28:48 <mischat_> The use case is that you want to give developers the choice to parse the data as json or with the rdf stack
10:28:49 <NickH> tomayac: is there a spec for the format of the nytimes json?
10:29:50 <tomayac> NickH: not one that i'm aware of. it's easy enough to derive it by "reverse-engineering" (blown-up word) the sample code
10:29:55 <NickH> sure
10:30:05 <mischat_> cygri: To be fair to manu et al and json-ld Has been presented to cover more than just the 1st use case 
10:30:46 <Guus_> http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/wiki/API_Deployment_Example
10:31:44 <tomayac> _about is the subject
10:32:15 <tomayac> on the same level as predicates
10:34:40 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
10:34:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomayac, mischat
10:35:21 <mischat_> tomayac: Talked to Evan sandhaus from The nytimes... some points about the json 
10:36:28 <mischat_> It has a comment in it, which they had to do for licensing purposes, if you pass a callback function it will strip out the comment
10:36:45 <mischat_> All of the slash escaping was
10:37:23 <mischat_> Done so that the json could be put in <script/> .
10:38:40 <tomayac> mischat_: small correction: if a string contains </script> ("blabla </script> blalala") this opens the doors for XSS attacks, so they forward all forward slashes 
10:39:11 <mischat_> Thanks tomayac 
10:39:40 <tomayac> escape, not forward
10:41:35 <mischat_> Nick asked about rdfa profiles and how 
10:41:56 <mischat_> They relate to the json work
10:42:57 <NickH> mapping that is used to generate both the RDF and JSON:
10:42:57 <NickH> https://gist.github.com/919232
10:52:12 <tomayac> sparql results json seems adequate for results that are well-represented as a table (many rows, similar structure each time), but not so well for just one, deeply nested result
10:54:01 <mischat_> Sure tomayac I agree, was just playing devils advocate 
10:54:29 <tomayac> got it, mischat_
11:00:33 <mischat_> We need to capture the inputs on the wiki, we have 3 inputs it seems for the use-case 3 
11:00:56 <mischat_> These are 1 linked data api, 2 BBC json, and 3 nytimes json
11:05:59 <tomayac> they threw away a lot...
11:06:15 <tomayac> (not necessarily bad)
11:06:41 <tomayac> no dot notation
11:06:55 <tomayac> need to obj['cu:rie']
11:07:05 <tomayac> cant do obj.cur:ie
11:10:03 <mischat_> Guus_: Is talking about the recipes and how useful a note would be to start the conversation 
11:17:23 <tomayac> manu and nathan are for sure in
11:18:11 <tomayac> (so am i, but need the email for concrete todos [hard to follow on the phone only])
11:18:50 <mischat_> Of course 
11:18:58 <tomayac> (plus missed all the discussions from y'day)
11:19:11 <mischat_> Again I don't do work which other people would like to do 
11:19:15 <tomayac> (so documented stuff helps a lot)
11:19:30 <mischat_> Will get some text up over the weekend 
11:19:40 <mischat_> Anyways ... We are grabbing lunch now
11:19:44 <tomayac> thanks, mischat_! highly appreciated
11:19:48 <tomayac> bon appétit!
11:19:48 <mischat> np
11:19:53 <Zakim> -mischat
11:22:17 <Zakim> -tomayac
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11:22:19 <Zakim> Attendees were tomayac, mischat
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12:15:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
12:15:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-rdf-json-minutes.html Steven
12:15:44 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
12:15:49 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
12:15:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-rdf-json-minutes.html Steven
12:16:18 <Steven> Chair: Guus
12:16:33 <Steven> Meeting: RDF WG FtF Breakout on JSON
12:17:50 <Steven> Present: cycri, StevenPemberton, mischat, Guus, tomlurge, NickH, tomayac
12:17:59 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
12:17:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-rdf-json-minutes.html Steven
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12:42:20 <Steven> zakim, who is on the call?
12:42:20 <Zakim> apparently Team_(rdf-json)10:12Z has ended, Steven
12:42:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, mbrunati, webr3, mischat__, tomlurge, Zakim, RRSAgent
12:42:26 <Steven> zakim, bye
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12:42:33 <Steven> rrsagent, bye
12:42:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items