13:53:27 RRSAgent has joined #lld 13:53:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-irc 13:53:35 rrsagent, bookmark 13:53:35 See http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-irc#T13-53-35 13:53:39 zakim, i am here 13:53:39 sorry, ww, I do not see a party named 'here' 13:53:53 zakim, this will be lld 13:53:53 ok, antoine; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 13:54:32 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started 13:54:39 +??P17 13:54:47 zakim, ??P17 is me 13:54:47 +antoine; got it 13:55:07 Meeting: LLD XG 13:55:10 TomB has joined #lld 13:55:12 Chair: Tom 13:55:39 AlexanderH has joined #lld 13:55:40 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0025.html 13:55:47 pmurray has joined #lld 13:56:10 Previous: 2011-04-07 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html 13:56:36 + +1.763.463.aaaa 13:56:38 GordonD has joined #lld 13:56:43 zakim, aaaa is Jodi 13:56:43 +Jodi; got it 13:56:49 Regrets: Kai, Daniel, Felix 13:56:56 zakim, aaaa is me 13:56:56 sorry, jodi, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 13:56:56 rrsagent, please make record public 13:57:10 zakim, mute me 13:57:10 Jodi should now be muted 13:57:15 rrsagent, please draft minutes 13:57:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-minutes.html antoine 13:57:41 zakim, unmute me 13:57:41 Jodi should no longer be muted 13:57:49 emma has joined #lld 13:58:04 +[IPcaller] 13:58:05 +??P10 13:58:07 Scribe: Jodi 13:58:28 zakim, AlexanderH is IPcaller 13:58:28 sorry, antoine, I do not recognize a party named 'AlexanderH' 13:58:29 Zakim, ??P10 is me 13:58:29 +Asaf; got it 13:58:36 zakim, IPcaller is AlexanderH 13:58:36 +AlexanderH; got it 13:58:40 +??P25 13:58:45 +??P24 13:58:46 + +33.1.44.78.aabb 13:58:47 Scribenick: Jodi 13:58:54 zakim, aabb is me 13:58:54 +emma; got it 13:59:00 zakim, ??P24 is probably TomB 13:59:00 +TomB?; got it 13:59:04 zakim, who is making noise? 13:59:07 kefo has joined #lld 13:59:12 +[LC] 13:59:12 zakim, please mute me 13:59:12 zakim, ??P25 is GordonD 13:59:13 zakim, LC is me 13:59:13 emma should now be muted 13:59:13 +GordonD; got it 13:59:14 +kefo; got it 13:59:15 Jodi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: antoine (70%), Jodi (5%), TomB? (5%), ??P25 (70%), emma (23%) 13:59:33 zakim, mute me please 13:59:33 kefo should now be muted 13:59:35 zakim, who is here? 13:59:35 On the phone I see antoine, Jodi, AlexanderH, Asaf, GordonD (muted), TomB?, emma (muted), kefo (muted) 13:59:38 + +1.678.235.aacc 13:59:41 rayd has joined #lld 13:59:42 zakim, aacc is me 13:59:42 +pmurray; got it 14:00:02 marcia has joined #lld 14:00:10 zakim, TomB? is really TomB 14:00:10 +TomB; got it 14:00:37 zakim, please draft minutes 14:00:37 I don't understand 'please draft minutes', antoine 14:00:38 CaptSolo has joined #lld 14:00:47 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:00:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:00:48 + +1.330.289.aadd 14:00:56 + +1.614.764.aaee 14:01:00 zakim, aaee is me 14:01:01 +jeff_; got it 14:01:09 zakim, aadd is Marcia 14:01:10 +Marcia; got it 14:01:23 zakim, mute me 14:01:23 jeff_ should now be muted 14:01:25 zakim, who is on the call? 14:01:25 On the phone I see antoine, Jodi, AlexanderH, Asaf, GordonD (muted), TomB, emma (muted), kefo (muted), pmurray (muted), Marcia, jeff_ (muted) 14:01:27 +[IPcaller] 14:01:32 + +1.423.463.aaff 14:01:37 -Asaf 14:01:47 zakim, IPcaller is Uldis 14:01:47 +Uldis; got it 14:01:53 hi 14:01:59 marcia has joined #lld 14:02:04 +??P42 14:02:08 zakim, who is on the call? 14:02:08 On the phone I see antoine, Jodi, AlexanderH, GordonD (muted), TomB, emma (muted), kefo (muted), pmurray (muted), Marcia, jeff_ (muted), Uldis, +1.423.463.aaff, ??P42 14:02:16 Zakim, ??P42 is me 14:02:16 +Asaf; got it 14:02:24 Zakim, aaff is me 14:02:24 +rsinger; got it 14:02:29 it was me 14:02:30 zakim, mute me 14:02:30 Marcia should now be muted 14:02:42 oh no. Sorry, my regrets - I have a conflicting meeting. 14:02:46 -kefo 14:03:15 kefo has joined #lld 14:03:31 zakim, mute me please 14:03:33 Jodi should now be muted 14:03:33 +[LC] 14:03:39 can you all hear me? 14:03:39 I can hear you ok, TomB 14:03:40 Zakim, LC is edsu 14:03:40 +edsu; got it 14:03:45 audio is breaking up, can't hear TomB either 14:03:48 +[LC] 14:03:58 -TomB 14:04:22 zakim, LC is rayd 14:04:27 +rayd; got it 14:05:41 i have to leave the telecon early, unfortunately 14:05:56 but thought i would listen while i can 14:06:34 having trouble dialing in - waiting for operator assistance. Can Antoine or Emmanuelle please start with the admin details? 14:06:39 Topic: ADMIN 14:06:54 digikim has joined #lld 14:07:00 digikim has left #lld 14:07:11 RESOLVED: To accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html 14:07:18 digikim_ has joined #lld 14:07:21 digikim_ has left #lld 14:07:43 digikim has joined #lld 14:07:45 hmm 14:07:51 digikim has left #lld 14:08:29 Antoine: Next week, Harry Halpin from W3C will talk about the possibility of a W3C Community Group forming after this group finishes. 14:08:41 + +1.202.248.aagg 14:09:01 harry++ 14:09:07 ... W3C Community Group is more informal. He (or someone from W3C) will talk in an upcoming telcon about this. 14:09:16 zakim, aagg is TomB 14:09:16 +TomB; got it 14:09:23 ... This would be an interesting way to continue the work that has been done in this group. 14:09:47 TomB: Dialing in with a phone now. 14:09:55 ... Next item is the Asia-Pacific teleconference. 14:10:10 ... Dixon and Hideoki have expressed interest. There is a doodle poll 14:10:37 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0026.html 14:10:41 q+ 14:10:51 ack edsu 14:11:03 Probably 27th or 28th. Time expected 9 PM on U.S. West Coast, midnight U.S. East Coast, early AM for European time. 14:11:24 Ed: Would it be ok for Dan Chudnov to sit in on that call? (Japan context) 14:11:42 Doodle poll is at http://www.doodle.com/e86qabb6kegceagr , more context in the listserv post Antoine linked 14:11:46 TomB: sure 14:11:51 michaelp has joined #lld 14:12:18 TomB: Significant restructuring of draft report. Removed text, it's now a list of sections: 14:12:29 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport 14:12:42 ... We also have some separate deliverables: 14:12:50 ... Use Case Report (Daniel is working on this) 14:13:03 ... LLD Vocabularies and Datasets (we'll discuss this later on the call) 14:13:30 -emma 14:13:30 ... There was an action on Kim to update the transcluded version of the report. 14:13:57 week after 14:14:00 i think 14:14:05 ...Benefits of LD for libraries will be discussed in an upcoming call, in 2 weeks 14:14:29 ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06] -- continues 14:14:29 +emma 14:14:51 and antoine :) 14:15:01 :-) 14:15:06 zakim, please mute me 14:15:06 emma should now be muted 14:15:28 rsinger: thank you :) 14:15:57 Ross: Decided against turning them into stories... it would be redundant. 14:15:59 digikim_ has joined #lld 14:16:01 hmm 14:16:06 Topic: BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA FOR LIBRARIES 14:16:11 Topic: PROBLEMS AND LIMITATIONS 14:16:22 ACTION: Cluster owners to check the bullet-point list in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Benefits reflects their understanding and covers relevant points [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action04] -- continues 14:16:28 ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and add to bullet-points [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05] -- continues 14:16:37 digikim has joined #lld 14:16:39 digikim has left #lld 14:16:54 I have some problem in contactin irc.w3.org 14:17:00 TomB: Two wiki pages... which one? 14:17:07 oops! 14:17:16 digikim__ has joined #lld 14:17:17 digikim__ has left #lld 14:17:28 digikim__ has joined #lld 14:17:28 Topic: RECOMMENDATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS 14:17:41 TomB: Being drafted as the second half of the draft issues page 14:18:06 ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06] 14:18:06 -- continues 14:18:13 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page 14:18:25 antoine -- this is still wrong. what do I need to do? 14:18:59 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:18:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:19:02 TomB: 'Requirements' - what needs to be achieved in general, to be extracted from the issues. But when I think of requirements, I assume that there's a specific application that is being designed. 14:19:34 :) 14:19:39 thanks for checking, antoine! 14:19:51 ... LLD is such a large thing that I have a little bit of difficulty calling this requirements. Does anyone else have a problem with calling this 'requirements'? 14:20:14 ... The content is pretty clear, but do we want to call the section 'requirements'? 14:20:51 I'm not sure it's a nonissue. But what else can it be called? 14:21:00 I do see your point 14:21:06 issues ? 14:21:25 What needs to be done +1 14:21:25 TomB: "What needs to be done?" is another possibility 14:21:49 agree w/Gordon: +1 to What needs to be done -- but offline discussion will help 14:21:56 +1, at least that's clear ! 14:21:57 TomB: taking this offline for further discussion 14:22:04 Topic: AVAILABLE DATA (VOCABULARIES, DATASETS) 14:22:15 TomB: This is the section that we want to spend the most time on today. 14:22:21 someone wants to jump in? 14:22:31 TomB: Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William, would anyone like to jump in and introduce this? 14:22:32 antoine 14:22:38 (deafening silence...) 14:23:02 Antoine: email to the list yesterday morning: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0015.html 14:23:12 ... status of the "LLD vocabularies and datasets" deliverable 14:23:22 digikim__ has joined #lld 14:23:25 +??P64 14:23:32 Zakim, ??P64 is digikim 14:23:32 +digikim; got it 14:23:36 ... focused on the deliverable first, before focusing on the section of the report 14:23:40 thanks digikim :) 14:23:54 Antoine: This draft, for the moment, contains 2 main sections 14:24:05 ... first - metadata element sets 14:24:09 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset 14:24:39 ... every metadata element set mentioned in the use cases is given a short description -- 1 line description, xmlns name space, link to the cases which mention it 14:24:59 Jodi: about my task: based on Thomas Baker email on the list, the DraftReport wikipage is outdated, so I did not proceed at the moment with the transclusion task 14:25:01 ... Dublin Core, VOID, SKOS, ... 14:25:19 q+ to point out that I put a placeholder in the document at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Definitions_and_scope for defining "element set", "value vocabulary", etc 14:25:23 ... Many of these element sets are connected together. Some reuse others; some specialize others. 14:25:37 ... This is a crucial element of having these elements published as LD. 14:25:51 ... , for the data consumer or for the people who are managing these elements sets 14:26:09 ... The graph is a draft -- just a drawing to show what we are aiming at. 14:26:21 http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/ 14:26:32 ... We will follow the conventions set by Bernard and his colleagues (see link) 14:26:33 +1 Mondeca stuff 14:26:53 -edsu 14:26:57 @digikim - it makes sense to hold off on transclusion for now 14:27:06 ... We also have some Metadata Element Sets that are not yet LD, some not even being worked on at the moment. 14:27:08 TomB: yes 14:27:17 ... Should we include those in the same way as the LD elements? Feedback welcome! 14:27:32 ... We also have some questions on MODS and PREMIS -- what is the status of these for the moment? Does anyone know? 14:28:00 Maybe the metadata element sets that aren't yet LD should go into requirements/what needs to be done? 14:28:25 ack TomB 14:28:25 TomB, you wanted to point out that I put a placeholder in the document at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Definitions_and_scope for defining 14:28:28 ... "element set", "value vocabulary", etc 14:28:30 digikim__ has joined #lld 14:28:32 TomB: I took the liberty of putting in a placeholder at the beginning of the document, for definitions and scope 14:29:10 ... someplace in this deliverable we need to refer to the metadata element set, value vocabulary, and dataset. 14:29:23 ... Those definitions are already on the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained#Definitions 14:29:57 Antoine: Makes sense to have this at the start, had this in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Relevant_LLD_Metadata_element_sets_-_anno_2011 14:30:08 q+ to PREMIS 14:30:38 Antoine: The second section is on value vocabularies and datasets: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Value_vocabularies_and_Datasets 14:30:45 q- 14:31:12 ... both of them are grouped here because we want to position that section together with the CKAN LLD group 14:31:39 ... The CKAN group is dealing with both value vocabularies and datasets. This may not be practical for the deliverable, but it's what we started with. 14:31:58 ... A bit of a presentation with the LLD group 14:31:59 (?) 14:32:24 ... William has started to visualize the content of the CKAN LLD group as a cloud, to make it analogous to the LOD cloud. 14:32:38 ... but focused on the library domain. 14:33:08 at the moment, i am re-adding in the void part so that we can easily work with inter-dataset links and such 14:33:09 ... Your input would be welcome here. The screenshot here is William's idea, and he's continuing to work on it: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/File:LLD-Cloud-Draft.png 14:33:21 q+ to point out that the text in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained#Definitions is more detailed than text already in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset 14:33:39 ... One idea is to make links between the datasets explicit. Please share other ideas! 14:33:48 http://semantic.ckan.net/viz/group.html?group=http://ckan.net/group/lld 14:34:06 ack TomB 14:34:06 TomB, you wanted to point out that the text in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained#Definitions is more detailed than text already in 14:34:10 ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset 14:34:23 http://ckan.net/group/bibliographic 14:34:44 Antoine: This should give a nice overview of what is published already, so then we want to dive into each dataset and value vocabulary, similar to what was done in the first section for the metadata element sets 14:35:16 ... We were lucky to be able to reuse Marcia's webpage which already describes many of these value vocabularies. 14:35:53 ... More work left for the second section, we'll populate this in the next couple of weeks. 14:36:22 ... We have a bit of hesitation: Should we list everything that's in the LLD cloud (even though it might not be mentioned in the use cases)? Should we list everything that's mentioned in the use cases, even if it's not in LLD yet? 14:36:40 ... So far, we want to make explicit what's available already AND what's not yet available. Opinions/feedback welcome! 14:37:22 ... Finally for the datasets we'll give descriptions, but reuse is more limited, so we'll focus less on describing them. 14:37:32 ... For a newcomer, reuse is more key. 14:38:03 ... For example instance data about books may not be as interesting. 14:38:13 ... Opinions welcome! 14:38:49 TomB: For the final step, will this be published in HTML or a wiki document? 14:39:09 Antoine: An HTML document would be ideal, reusing W3C Group Note template 14:39:25 TomB: Is there a nice routine for converting from wiki to HTML template? 14:39:35 Antoine: Not sure -- W3C doesn't have wiki templates. 14:39:55 TomB: Practical issue is that a lot of the links are wiki links which need to be converted into hyperlinks, etc 14:40:17 there should be general converters from MediaWiki to HTML which could give a start... then hand-finish 14:40:56 Antoine: We'll need to check these to figure out where things go (final report vs. separate deliverable) as well. 14:41:18 Antoine: move back to getting feedback? 14:41:38 ... First one is about the graphs. We think we can do some interesting stuff. Suggestions? 14:42:10 q+ 14:42:13 ... Tom and Jodi already started a discussion about the possible links and their meaning. There are several approaches to make links and represent them. 14:42:25 Second: description grain. Are these descriptions sufficient? 14:42:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/File:LLD-MetadataElementSetCloudMock.png 14:43:08 TomB: Somebody on last week's call--William?--talked about using visigraph(?). Is that related to this cloudgraph? 14:43:35 Antoine: William and his colleagues are using this JavaScript library. 14:43:42 TomB: So there are tools for doing this. 14:44:03 ack TomB 14:44:05 Antoine: Given William's contribution for the CKAN LLD cloud, the technical aspects should be straightforward. 14:44:12 jneubert has joined #lld 14:44:14 using protovis 14:44:29 Antoine: Two other important questions: 14:44:41 ... Other things you think are crucial that should be covered? 14:44:49 ... Fourth: categorization. 14:44:52 tools for converting MediaWiki pages into other formats: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers 14:45:01 what i want to do, and should shortly have enough information to, is (1) make links explicit within that big circle, (2) have non-lld datasets that are linked to be outside the big circle, and linked... if that meks sense 14:45:29 ... Reorganizing by topic/coverage. We would like group feedback on this. 14:45:31 + +49.173.609.aahh 14:45:32 it'll take a bit of protovis fiddling obviously 14:45:33 q+ to suggest that we ask the public-lld list if the coverage is complete 14:45:46 zakim, aahh is jneubert 14:45:47 +jneubert; got it 14:46:01 *Antoine: thanks! 14:46:13 TomB: One way of getting input from the community would be to post to public-lld to ask about the coverage. e.g. Are there reference vocabularies that are missing? To get more people to look at it. 14:46:26 Thanks Antoine 14:46:30 TomB: Any more discussion on the available data section? 14:46:32 *ww: Do you mean the open source software at: http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/? thanks. 14:46:52 ... Is there already a wiki page for the section that will go into the final report? If not, should we create one? 14:47:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0015.html 14:47:14 ... Looks like it will have a few pointers, a few representative datasets, and a summary of the longer deliverable. Is that right? 14:47:24 ww, thank you for the explanation! 14:47:38 Antoine: No wiki page yet. The listserv message talks about this a little 14:48:06 ... Identifying gaps will be important, link with issues or recommendations to make sure that the gaps are listed there, or make separate section of issues/recommendations 14:48:17 ... But this depends on other sections and on the separate deliverable 14:48:29 marcia: yes 14:48:38 ... It will be way easier to create this once we have a visualization of the datasets and how they are related, and a categorization of the value vocabularies 14:48:44 same as what the mondeca folks and edsu use for these sorts of things 14:48:51 ww: thank you! 14:48:54 +1 having a nice graph will really help! 14:49:10 ... For FRBR, for instance, there are 4-5 ontologies available 14:49:13 < -- so not just gaps but *choices* need to be taken into account> 14:49:28 TomB: So you envision directly plugging some of these issues into the other issues document? 14:49:52 ... These documents are editable by everyone in the group, so that would be one way to do that 14:50:10 ... Thank you, Antoine, I think having a graphic will really help in presenting that material. 14:50:12 zakim, unmute me 14:50:12 jeff_ should no longer be muted 14:50:21 Topic: RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES 14:50:54 marcia_ has joined #lld 14:51:17 TomB: What is the idea of the "relevant technologies" section? To have something high-level, with simple typology of tools, and pointers to maintained lists. And of course a disclaimer that "this is not exhaustive"--it will go out of date. Is that right? 14:51:26 ... Do you envision this as a separate deliverable? 14:51:33 Jeff: I can envision a paragraph that does this. 14:51:43 ... I can draft something about this this afternoon. 14:52:07 ... Not yet clear whether we point to maintained lists or create a separate section 14:52:22 TomB: I would envision doing that as a wiki page, even if it's a paragraph or two 14:52:32 ... Then we can put it in as a section of the report outline 14:52:39 Jeff: ok, "RelevantTechnology" 14:52:59 ACTION: Jeff to create a wiki page on "RelevantTechnology" and link it to the report outline 14:53:07 see also http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool 14:53:22 Topic: NOTE ON ARCHITECTURE AND CACHING 14:53:26 zakim, mute me 14:53:26 jeff_ should now be muted 14:53:42 zakim, unmute me 14:53:42 jeff_ should no longer be muted 14:53:56 TomB: There is an action on Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP to elaborate on a general purpose IT architecture. What is the status of that? 14:54:27 Jeff: This was in the back of my mind when I was creating the tools page. 14:54:46 ... The 'relevant technologies' is sort of a disclaimer that there *is* no coherent architecture, other than the Web standards. 14:55:00 TomB: Could the points you want to make here be folded into the Relevant Technologies section? 14:55:03 Jeff: exactly! 14:55:09 ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature (short sketch for final report) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04] -- continues 14:55:17 zakim, mute me 14:55:17 jeff_ should now be muted 14:55:21 TomB: This will be an aspect of RelevantTechnologies 14:55:26 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:55:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:55:26 Topic: NOTE ON POTENTIAL LLD WEB SERVICES 14:55:48 TomB: Kevin and Joachim have written a note on this: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Web_services_on_LLD 14:56:03 :( 14:56:22 Joachim: Had a dentist operation. 14:56:32 Joachim: Let's do this next time. 14:56:52 (don't see this action in the minutes, but it continues) 14:56:59 Topic: USE CASES 14:57:09 TomB: Daniel is working on the Use Case report, it's coming along nicely 14:57:19 ah, thanks antoine! :) 14:57:31 Topic: HOUSECLEANING 14:57:46 TomB: Moved around the structure of the draft report 14:57:51 ... We're in wind-up stage 14:58:06 ... Running out of time for outreach 14:58:26 ... Gathered up the raw material, moved them to the end of the report, to see more clearly what parts were actively being worked on 14:59:03 ... Are there any links in here which are being actively worked on? (from the Community building, outreach, related activities and resources section) 14:59:15 ... Or can we park these links? 14:59:50 ... I created a section of the wiki "Intermediate Deliverables" and listed a lot of these documents there so that they don't get lost, but so that they're not actually on our active agenda. 15:00:00 digikim has joined #lld 15:00:03 Seems alright... 15:00:08 jeff_ has left #lld 15:00:09 hmm 15:00:21 Do we have any "review readers" or "advance copies" thing going on? 15:00:22 need to look at these, but seems reasonable from a first glance 15:00:26 digikim has left #lld 15:00:32 Topic: AOB 15:01:05 TomB: We don't have review readers now, but next week or the week after we will start assigning reviewers to various sections. It feels to me like the individual groups still need a little more time to polish their sections. 15:01:07 sure, that sounds good. 15:01:19 ... I think it would be a little premature to start sending them out for review. 15:01:41 thanks 15:01:41 ... I take silence as rough consent that I haven't made any blunders in putting these links at the end of the agenda. Look forward to talking to you all next week! 15:01:44 -AlexanderH 15:01:48 zakim, who is here? 15:01:49 Uldis has left #lld 15:01:50 -pmurray 15:01:52 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:01:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-lld-minutes.html Jodi 15:01:53 Thanks for scribing Jodi!! 15:01:54 On the phone I see antoine, Jodi (muted), GordonD, Marcia (muted), jeff_ (muted), Uldis, rsinger, Asaf, rayd, TomB, emma (muted), digikim, jneubert 15:01:56 Bye! 15:01:57 -GordonD 15:01:57 zakim, unmute me 15:01:59 -Uldis 15:02:00 zakim please list attendees 15:02:03 -digikim 15:02:05 -Marcia 15:02:06