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14:01:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:01:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
14:01:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:01:21 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:01:21 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2011
14:01:31 <tal> tal has joined #webfonts
14:01:32 <jdaggett> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:33 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has not yet started, jdaggett
14:01:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see tal, RRSAgent, Zakim, Vlad, jdaggett, ChrisL, trackbot
14:02:44 <cslye> cslye has joined #webfonts
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14:02:50 <jdaggett> zakim, who is noisy?
14:02:51 <Zakim> sorry, jdaggett, I don't know what conference this is
14:03:07 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668
14:03:07 <Zakim> ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()10:00AM
14:03:22 <cslye> Hi there. I won't be able to call in, so I will mostly lurk here on IRC.
14:03:26 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
14:03:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vlad, ??P7, +1.425.882.aaaa
14:03:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see sergeym, cslye, tal, RRSAgent, Zakim, Vlad, jdaggett, ChrisL, trackbot
14:03:50 <jdaggett> zakim, P7 is me
14:03:50 <Zakim> sorry, jdaggett, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
14:03:57 <Zakim> +ChrisL
14:04:05 <jdaggett> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:04:05 <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
14:04:08 <Zakim> +tal
14:04:28 <jdaggett> zakim, who is noisy?
14:04:45 <Zakim> jdaggett, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vlad (93%)
14:05:24 <jdaggett> zakim, who is noisy?
14:05:37 <Zakim> jdaggett, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vlad (67%)
14:05:43 <Zakim> + +1.250.247.aabb
14:06:09 <ChrisL> who just joined?
14:06:29 <ChrisL> vlad, we are getting a lot of noise from you. on a mobile phone?
14:07:18 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Apr/0000.html
14:07:49 <Zakim> - +1.250.247.aabb
14:08:11 <ChrisL> (issues with spam filters blocking wg emails)
14:11:42 <Zakim> + +1.250.668.aacc
14:16:21 <John> John has joined #webfonts
14:20:33 <ChrisL> (tracker seems to have some issued tracking on www-font. works ok on public-webfonts-wg. systems team is investigating)
14:22:04 <ChrisL> scribenick: chrisl
14:22:16 <ChrisL> topic: disposition of comments
14:22:21 <jdaggett> url?
14:22:42 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
14:25:14 <ChrisL> for Change metadata section to use XMP
14:25:26 <ChrisL> bert suggested to use xmpfor the extension
14:25:41 <ChrisL> Vlad:seems very heavy for a rarely used key-value apir
14:25:46 <ChrisL> ChrisL: agree
14:25:53 <ChrisL> Resolved: reject
14:26:14 <ChrisL> Wasteful to use four bytes to store an origLength
14:26:22 <ChrisL> bert agreed there
14:27:36 <ChrisL> A context-free grammar for WOFF would be nice
14:28:24 <ChrisL> jdaggett:so much of css depends on the prose so we dont use the grammar. ask dbaron tobe sure
14:29:20 <ChrisL> ChrisL: no implementor seems to want that
14:29:47 <ChrisL> jdaggett: woff is a format with syntax .. cant see how a CFG would help
14:29:59 <ChrisL> Vlad: agreed
14:30:11 <ChrisL> resolved: reject call for a context free grammar
14:32:05 <ChrisL> ChrisL: I responded on I18N-ISSUE-7: Paragraphs and inline content 
14:32:33 <ChrisL> Vlad: ok so action items
14:32:43 <ChrisL> action: jonathan to add div and span to spec
14:32:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Add div and span to spec [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-04-13].
14:32:57 <ChrisL> action:  chris  to add div and span to RNG
14:32:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 -  to add div and span to RNG [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-04-13].
14:35:32 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (explains procedure for unreplied comments: nospecific timeout defined, just demonstrate best effort to get a response)
14:35:51 <ChrisL> Vlad: ok and if we agreed with the comment we can assume agreement by default
14:36:17 <ChrisL> ChrisL: two commentors, Bert and Richard are on staff so i can callthem and ensure we have a response
14:36:25 <ChrisL> Vlad: looking at issue 18
14:36:38 <ChrisL> 18. license element text subelements
14:36:45 <ChrisL> Vlad: thought we agreed there
14:36:55 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
14:37:21 <ChrisL> tal: this is one where i thought text element could be optional. have seen live fonts that do this
14:37:54 <ChrisL> ... willsend follow-up email
14:38:18 <ChrisL> sylvain agreed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0091.html
14:38:51 <ChrisL> tal: saw some with no license info, just url. so in woff that would have @url and no text child
14:39:04 <ChrisL> Vlad: spec says that element MAY have text child
14:39:12 <ChrisL> .. so its already optional
14:39:47 <ChrisL> ACTION chris to add an example with license @uri and no text child, validate it
14:39:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Add an example with license @uri and no text child, validate it [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-04-13].
14:39:56 <ChrisL> Vlad: spec already modified
14:40:15 <ChrisL> tal: ok, agreed that resolves my point
14:40:20 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
14:40:20 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-webfonts-irc#T14-40-20
14:41:09 <ChrisL> esolved: issue 18 license element text subelements closed, agree, commentor agrees
14:41:42 <ChrisL> Vlad: ok so that is allthe comments we have for now
14:42:18 <ChrisL> topic: action items
14:42:30 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
14:42:44 <ChrisL> action-57?
14:42:44 <trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Jonathan Kew to respons on issue-14 -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN
14:42:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/57
14:43:21 <ChrisL> ChrisL: don't see a response from him
14:43:39 <ChrisL> action-61?
14:43:39 <trackbot> ACTION-61 -- Chris Lilley to provide samples and respond to I18n -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN
14:43:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/61
14:43:47 <ChrisL> close action-61
14:43:47 <trackbot> ACTION-61 Provide samples and respond to I18n closed
14:44:37 <ChrisL> action-82?
14:44:37 <trackbot> ACTION-82 -- Jonathan Kew to add div and span to spec -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
14:44:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/82
14:44:41 <ChrisL> duplicate
14:44:46 <ChrisL> close action-82
14:44:46 <trackbot> ACTION-82 Add div and span to spec closed
14:44:58 <ChrisL> close action-73
14:44:59 <trackbot> ACTION-73 Edit WOFF faq with Johns text incorporating Vlad's corrections closed
14:45:08 <ChrisL> action-74?
14:45:08 <trackbot> ACTION-74 -- Chris Lilley to update disposition of comments -- due 2011-02-16 -- OPEN
14:45:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/74
14:45:10 <ChrisL> ongoing
14:45:25 <ChrisL> action-76?
14:45:25 <trackbot> ACTION-76 -- Maciej Stachowiak to ask apple about proposed FO solution -- due 2011-02-23 -- OPEN
14:45:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/76
14:45:35 <ChrisL> Vlad; keepopen until discussed 
14:45:40 <ChrisL> action-77?
14:45:41 <trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Chris Lilley to propose at-risk wording -- due 2011-03-02 -- OPEN
14:45:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/77
14:45:45 <ChrisL> close action-77
14:45:45 <trackbot> ACTION-77 Propose at-risk wording closed
14:45:59 <ChrisL> action-78?
14:45:59 <trackbot> ACTION-78 -- Chris Lilley to respond on Use of attributes for human readable text -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
14:45:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/78
14:46:03 <ChrisL> closed
14:46:10 <ChrisL> close action-78
14:46:11 <trackbot> ACTION-78 Respond on Use of attributes for human readable text closed
14:46:48 <ChrisL> Vlad: issue-25 is rejected
14:47:14 <ChrisL> my action is to tell bert its rejected
14:47:32 <ChrisL> action-79?
14:47:32 <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Chris Lilley to respond on issue-25 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
14:47:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/79
14:47:39 <ChrisL> Vlad: thought I saw something
14:47:57 <ChrisL> ChrisL: maybe tracker missed it. i willcheck
14:48:32 <ChrisL> action-80?
14:48:32 <trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Chris Lilley to respond on issue-26 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
14:48:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/80
14:48:51 <ChrisL> action-81?
14:48:51 <trackbot> ACTION-81 -- Jonathan Kew to provide link for issue-34 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
14:48:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/81
14:49:35 <ChrisL> topic: authoring test suite
14:49:41 <tal> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/tests/AuthoringTool/Tests/testcaseindex.xht
14:50:19 <ChrisL> tal: we added some clarification for authoring tools that do editing before woff conversion
14:50:26 <ChrisL> ... also clarified searchrange
14:50:32 <ChrisL> ... otherwise its done
14:50:41 <ChrisL> ... apart fromm a cvs problem
14:52:06 <ChrisL> (discussion of cvs binary issues and config)
14:52:49 <ChrisL> action chris to find out from mac users how to set binary in the commandline cvs
14:52:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Find out from mac users how to set binary in the commandline cvs [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-04-13].
14:55:32 <ChrisL> tal: other thing is, after last call changes to spec, look for new tests or remove no longer applicable tests
14:56:00 <ChrisL> tal: for example xml;lang support
14:56:34 <ChrisL> ChrisL: to be clear, that doesn't prevent us moving to CR. the test suite can be incomplete
14:56:47 <ChrisL> Vlad: we are ahead of the game here
14:57:46 <ChrisL> topic: activity statement update
14:58:02 <ChrisL> ChrisL: i will update to show we have a test suite and almost finished last call
14:58:07 <ChrisL> regrets: Jonathan
14:58:11 <ChrisL> adjourned
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14:58:44 <Zakim> -ChrisL
14:58:49 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
14:58:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Vlad, +1.425.882.aaaa, ChrisL, jdaggett, tal, +1.250.247.aabb, +1.250.668.aacc
14:58:51 <Zakim> -tal
14:58:51 <Zakim> - +1.250.668.aacc
14:58:52 <ChrisL> chair: vlad
14:58:53 <Zakim> -Vlad
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14:58:58 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
14:59:00 <Zakim> -jdaggett
14:59:00 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has ended
14:59:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Vlad, +1.425.882.aaaa, ChrisL, jdaggett, tal, +1.250.247.aabb, +1.250.668.aacc