12:20:37 RRSAgent has joined #er 12:20:37 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-er-irc 12:20:39 RRSAgent, make logs public 12:20:39 Zakim has joined #er 12:20:41 Zakim, this will be 3794 12:20:41 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 12:20:42 Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference 12:20:42 Date: 06 April 2011 12:20:48 chair: Shadi 12:20:52 agenda+ Welcome 12:20:52 agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema Software Class 12:20:52 agenda+ Conformance (general) 12:20:52 agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF Message Header 12:20:52 agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF PATCH Method 12:20:53 agenda+ Proposed Resolutions 12:20:55 agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF Status Code 12:20:57 agenda+ Content-in-RDF Content Class 12:20:59 agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule 12:21:39 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Apr/0002.html 12:24:33 rui has joined #er 12:25:42 cstrobbe has joined #er 12:26:49 philip_ has joined #er 12:27:31 are you on the road? 12:27:54 that's always a pain... 12:28:35 WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started 12:28:42 +Shadi 12:29:02 can't wait for wireless power... 12:29:48 +??P8 12:29:50 -Shadi 12:29:52 +Shadi 12:30:06 heard of bloom box? 12:30:45 http://www.bloomenergy.com/ 12:30:48 zakim, this is a wake-up call 12:30:48 sorry, cstrobbe, I do not see a conference named 'a wake-up call' in progress or scheduled at this time 12:31:08 carlos has joined #er 12:31:08 + +200000aaaa 12:31:11 small boxes that provide electricity out of air 12:31:13 zakim, you are lazy, but you past the Turing test ;-) 12:31:13 I'm glad that smiley is there, cstrobbe 12:31:36 Zakim, +20 is me 12:31:36 +rui; got it 12:32:07 +kvotis 12:32:12 carlosV has joined #er 12:32:32 kvotis has joined #er 12:32:58 +??P11 12:33:04 -rui 12:33:18 +Carlos_Iglesias 12:33:23 zakim, ? is CarlosV 12:33:23 sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '?' 12:33:33 zakim, p11 is CarlosV 12:33:33 sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'p11' 12:33:38 hello i am kostas 12:33:38 zakim, ?p11 is CarlosV 12:33:38 sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '?p11' 12:33:46 zakim, ??p11 is CarlosV 12:33:46 +CarlosV; got it 12:33:47 +Christophe_Strobbe 12:34:01 zakim, who is on the phone? 12:34:01 On the phone I see Shadi, ??P8, kvotis, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias, Christophe_Strobbe 12:34:14 +??P13 12:34:33 Zakim, ??P is me 12:34:33 sorry, rui, I do not recognize a party named '??P' 12:34:37 -kvotis 12:34:48 zakim, ??p8 is Philip 12:34:48 +Philip; got it 12:34:56 Zakim, +?? is me 12:34:56 sorry, rui, I do not recognize a party named '+??' 12:35:02 zakim, ? is Rui 12:35:02 +Rui; got it 12:35:19 zakim, who is on the phone? 12:35:19 On the phone I see Shadi, Philip, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias, Christophe_Strobbe, Rui 12:35:35 +kvotis 12:36:38 I can hear, but probably it's better to have my saying through IRC 12:36:56 ok thanks 12:37:16 scribe: Philip 12:37:22 scribenick: philip_ 12:37:47 zakim, take up agendum 1 12:37:47 agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi] 12:38:38 zakim, take up next 12:38:38 agendum 1 was just opened, shadi 12:38:56 zakim, close agendum 1 12:38:56 agendum 1, Welcome, closed 12:38:57 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 12:38:58 2. EARL 1.0 Schema Software Class [from shadi] 12:38:59 zakim, take up next 12:38:59 agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema Software Class" taken up [from shadi] 12:39:17 http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-er-minutes#item03 12:39:38 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Apr/0006.html 12:39:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Apr/0009.html 12:40:43 CarlosV: there is an error in the rdf 12:43:05 CarlosV: class doap version should also be included, doap language, mailing list and platform 12:43:27 CarlosV: maybe list only some of those 12:43:55 q+ Is there a way to describe e.g. checker X version 1.0 inside software Y version 2.0? 12:43:58 http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap 12:45:32 cstrobbe: is there a way to say something like "checked with checker X using software Y"? 12:45:41 -Rui 12:45:56 CarlosV: Yes (...) 12:46:11 q+ to express his concerns about the Project class meaning 12:46:38 shadi: so far we created our own software class and adopted from other schemas 12:47:25 shadi: lot of properties from doap seems interesting 12:47:54 shadi: for example "download page" 12:49:13 shadi: how do we want to replace the software class? 12:49:23 ack carlos 12:49:23 carlos, you wanted to express his concerns about the Project class meaning 12:50:43 carlos: think we force the doap class to match our needs, project class usually different meaning 12:51:22 shadi: right, doap / project class is broader than software class 12:52:06 carlos: not only broader but a different meaning 12:52:39 carlos: project can fit as test subject but not as assertor 12:53:23 carlos: project is process of defining a software 12:53:47 http://trac.usefulinc.com/doap 12:54:38 kvotis: i think we can replace software with the project class 12:55:55 carlos: I don't think any reason to replace the earl software class 12:56:33 shadi: suggestion: make earl software subclass of doap project? 12:57:29 carlos: software class good candidate for project property, it's a result of a project 12:57:35 carlos: but not a subclass 12:59:24 shadi: any other comment? 13:00:00 carlosV: I think we can describe software using the doap project class 13:00:41 carlosV: use some key properties and extend it to our needs 13:01:37 shadi: doap stable enough to adopt? 13:03:43 q+ to ask if a DOAP project can have more than one software? 13:04:05 Edd Dumbill 13:04:12 ack c 13:04:12 cstrobbe, you wanted to ask if a DOAP project can have more than one software? 13:04:22 shadi: contact Edd Dumbill 13:05:20 shadi: for concept of software and how this fit into doap 13:05:54 action: shadi to contact Edd Dumbill about plans and thoughts about Software class as part of DOAP vocabulary 13:05:54 Created ACTION-119 - Contact Edd Dumbill about plans and thoughts about Software class as part of DOAP vocabulary [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-04-13]. 13:06:23 zakim, take up next 13:06:23 agendum 3. "Conformance (general)" taken up [from shadi] 13:06:40 http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-er-minutes#item04 13:06:50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Mar/0007 13:07:43 shadi: move the conformance requirements from the spec? 13:07:52 shadi: where to move? 13:09:03 carlosV: other specs have conformance section, is there a problem having the conformance section in the spec? 13:09:11 my only concern with this is that if we want to "force" the conformance part, it should be present in a tech rec, not a note 13:10:06 shadi: if they move to somewhere, will this document be on rec track? 13:10:39 shadi: more flexibility when moving it elsewhere 13:10:59 shadi: anybody object to this 13:11:13 carlosV: I would leave it in the schema 13:11:45 carlosV: schema is official 13:14:00 shadi: authoritativeness would move from Schema document to EARL Guide 13:14:57 carlosV: title "guide" would be misleading 13:15:38 carlos: problem is the content of the guide 13:15:39 +1 wrt carlosV 13:16:58 cstrobbe: People might ask: what is the point of taking it out of the Schema if you put it in a REC track document anyway? 13:17:33 shadi: vocabulary definition separated from usage 13:18:47 http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues#conformance 13:18:56 carlos: everybody remains free of using parts of the vocabulary 13:18:57 http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/issues#conformance 13:19:31 q+ to ask: So Schema would just describe vocabulary, Guide would define "EARL Reports" -> rename "Guide" to "EARL Reports xxx"? 13:19:43 ack c 13:19:44 cstrobbe, you wanted to ask: So Schema would just describe vocabulary, Guide would define "EARL Reports" -> rename "Guide" to "EARL Reports xxx"? 13:20:08 cstrobbe: rename "Guide" to "EARL Reports xxx"? 13:20:44 shadi: shift the focus of the guide, not only the title 13:21:14 shadi: it is also broader than "reports" 13:21:29 +1 wrt shadi 13:21:48 +kvotis.a 13:21:59 maybe "Usage and Conformance for EARL Reports" 13:22:16 shadi: come back to this point? 13:22:24 rui: maybe "Usage and Conformance for EARL Reports"? 13:22:53 agenda? 13:23:23 zakim, take up next 13:23:23 agendum 4. "HTTP-in-RDF Message Header" taken up [from shadi] 13:23:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Mar/0008 13:23:58 shadi: further discussion? 13:25:08 carlosV: vocabulary is more complex, we need to change our implementation 13:25:29 -kvotis 13:25:36 shadi: I think it's an elegant solution 13:25:41 shadi: any objections? 13:26:52 shadi: vote via mailing-list 13:26:53 zakim, take up next 13:26:53 agendum 5. "HTTP-in-RDF PATCH Method" taken up [from shadi] 13:27:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Apr/0001 13:27:13 i need to leave in a min ... 13:27:57 -CarlosV 13:30:09 shadi: comments to open issues to end of this week via mailing-list 13:30:25 zakim, take up agendum 9 13:30:25 agendum 9. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi] 13:30:53 -Christophe_Strobbe 13:30:55 -Philip 13:30:58 -Carlos_Iglesias 13:31:13 rui has joined #er 13:31:14 next meeting: Wednesday 13 April 2011 13:31:31 -Shadi 13:31:57 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:31:57 On the phone I see kvotis.a 13:32:03 zakim, drop k 13:32:03 kvotis.a is being disconnected 13:32:04 WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended 13:32:06 Attendees were Shadi, +200000aaaa, rui, kvotis, Carlos_Iglesias, CarlosV, Christophe_Strobbe, Philip 13:32:10 trackbot, end meeting 13:32:10 Zakim, list attendees 13:32:10 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 13:32:11 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:32:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-er-minutes.html trackbot 13:32:12 RRSAgent, bye 13:32:12 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-er-actions.rdf : 13:32:12 ACTION: shadi to contact Edd Dumbill about plans and thoughts about Software class as part of DOAP vocabulary [1] 13:32:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-er-irc#T13-05-54