13:56:38 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:56:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-dap-irc 13:56:40 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:56:42 Zakim has joined #dap 13:56:44 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:56:44 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 13:56:46 Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference 13:56:48 Date: 06 April 2011 13:56:51 AnssiK has joined #dap 13:57:20 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0005.html 13:57:22 fjh, I seem to have a scheduling issue and may not be able to make the call today. 13:58:08 Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:58:13 Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:58:32 Regrets+ Rich_Tibbett 13:59:37 Regrets+ Marco _Marengo, Cécile_Marc 13:59:39 Suresh has joined #dap 13:59:45 richt has left #dap 13:59:51 zakim, code? 13:59:51 the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), fjh 13:59:58 Present+ Kangchan_Lee 14:00:06 Present+ Suresh_Chitturi 14:00:23 Present+ Wonsuk_Lee 14:00:38 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:00:39 +??P8 14:00:44 +[IPcaller] 14:00:46 -[IPcaller] 14:00:47 +[IPcaller] 14:00:51 darobin has joined #dap 14:00:52 zakim, +??P8 is Kangchan 14:00:52 sorry, Kangchan, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8' 14:01:01 Kyungtak has joined #dap 14:01:05 zakim, P8 is Kangchan 14:01:05 sorry, Kangchan, I do not recognize a party named 'P8' 14:01:07 +??P10 14:01:11 + +1.781.534.aaaa 14:01:12 zakim, ?? is me 14:01:13 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '??' 14:01:19 zakim, ??P10 isme 14:01:19 I don't understand '??P10 isme', fjh 14:01:20 Present+ Kyung-Tak_Lee 14:01:22 +[IPcaller.a] 14:01:22 zakim, ??P8 is Kangchan 14:01:23 +Kangchan; got it 14:01:25 zakim, ??P10 is me 14:01:25 +fjh; got it 14:01:31 zakim, IPcaller is me 14:01:31 +sungok_you; got it 14:01:34 Zakim, [IPCaller.a] is me 14:01:35 +darobin; got it 14:01:47 zakim, who is making noise? 14:01:57 +??P15 14:01:59 fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sungok_you (10%), fjh (17%), darobin (9%) 14:02:06 jgiraud has joined #dap 14:02:19 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:02:19 +??P16 14:02:20 Present+ Jerome_Giraud 14:02:22 Zakim, ??P16 is me 14:02:22 +dom; got it 14:02:24 zakim, who is here? 14:02:24 On the phone I see Kangchan, sungok_you, fjh, +1.781.534.aaaa, darobin, ??P15, dom 14:02:26 On IRC I see jgiraud, Kyungtak, darobin, Suresh, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh_, Wonsuk, fjh, Kangchan, Dzung_Tran, sungok_you, wmaslowski, homata_, ilkka, lgombos, ingmar, blassey, 14:02:28 ... dom, trackbot 14:02:29 Zakim, +??P15 is me 14:02:30 sorry, Kyungtak, I do not recognize a party named '+??P15' 14:02:36 wmaslowski has left #dap 14:02:40 zakim, aaaa is lgombos 14:02:40 +lgombos; got it 14:02:46 zakim, who is here? 14:02:46 On the phone I see Kangchan, sungok_you, fjh, lgombos, darobin, ??P15, dom 14:02:49 On IRC I see jgiraud, Kyungtak, darobin, Suresh, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh_, Wonsuk, fjh, Kangchan, Dzung_Tran, sungok_you, homata_, ilkka, lgombos, ingmar, blassey, dom, 14:02:49 Zakim, ??P15 is me 14:02:53 ... trackbot 14:02:55 + +1.972.373.aabb 14:02:57 +Kyungtak; got it 14:03:07 zakim, aabb is Suresh 14:03:09 +Suresh; got it 14:03:29 Present+ Laszlo_Gombos 14:03:48 Zakim, who's noisy? 14:04:01 dom, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (19%) 14:04:14 +??P19 14:04:15 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:04:17 zakim, who is making noise? 14:04:21 zakim, ??P19 is me 14:04:21 +AnssiK; got it 14:04:29 fjh, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Suresh (77%), ??P19 (13%) 14:04:32 Zakim, mute Suresh 14:04:32 Suresh should now be muted 14:04:36 aaaah 14:04:40 Claes has joined #dap 14:04:50 zakim, who is here? 14:04:50 On the phone I see Kangchan, sungok_you, fjh, lgombos, darobin, Kyungtak, dom, Suresh (muted), AnssiK 14:04:53 On IRC I see Claes, jgiraud, Kyungtak, darobin, Suresh, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh_, Wonsuk, fjh, Kangchan, Dzung_Tran, sungok_you, homata_, ilkka, lgombos, ingmar, blassey, dom, 14:04:55 ... trackbot 14:05:22 ScribeNick: lgombos 14:05:28 Topic: Administrative 14:05:43 June/July DAP F2F questionnaire, conclude this week: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/juljun-f2f/ 14:06:01 fyi, HTML 5 license, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0152.html 14:06:14 WebApps testing, request for feedback, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0147.html 14:06:37 TOPIC: Minutes Approval 14:06:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/att-0138/minutes-2011-03-30.html 14:07:14 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 30 March 2011 are approved 14:07:25 +Claes 14:07:43 TOPIC: Chartering 14:08:27 -dom 14:08:44 Cathy has joined #dap 14:08:49 updated charter from Dom , http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0011.html 14:09:02 Present+ Claes_Nilsson 14:09:03 discussion, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0026.html 14:09:07 Present+ Cathy_Chan 14:09:10 +dom 14:10:32 all please review draft charter and send comments on the list 14:10:53 +Cathy 14:11:22 fjh: focus on deliverables for the draft charter review 14:12:43 dom: regarding sysinfo - concrete api for battery and network, discussion ongoing for other sensors (generic vs. specific apis) 14:12:51 zakim, who is here? 14:12:51 On the phone I see Kangchan, sungok_you, fjh, lgombos, darobin, Kyungtak, Suresh (muted), AnssiK, Claes, dom, Cathy 14:12:53 On IRC I see Cathy, Claes, jgiraud, Kyungtak, darobin, Suresh, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh_, Wonsuk, fjh, Kangchan, Dzung_Tran, sungok_you, homata_, ilkka, lgombos, ingmar, 14:12:55 ... blassey, dom, trackbot 14:12:58 I think we agreed to also have a generic API for static properties 14:14:36 ACTION-361? 14:14:36 ACTION-361 -- Bryan Sullivan to provide use cases for device characteristics access -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN 14:14:36 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/361 14:14:36 +q 14:14:41 ack claes 14:17:50 Dom noted that we do not necessarily have agreement on a generic API for static properties but are looking for use cases 14:18:06 q 14:18:15 q+ 14:18:41 ack Suresh 14:18:49 Claes: Is it ia requirement to have a draft to include APIs in the charter ? 14:19:00 we need to be clear on scope and intent of deliverables 14:19:11 dom: not a requirement, but good to have a draft/proposal 14:20:13 ACTION-343? 14:20:13 ACTION-343 -- Richard Tibbett to propose better wording for System information and events api in new charter -- due 2011-03-02 -- OPEN 14:20:13 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/343 14:20:29 ACTION-344? 14:20:29 ACTION-344 -- Frederick Hirsch to propose concrete text for privacy and feature permission for draft charter -- due 2011-03-16 -- OPEN 14:20:29 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/344 14:20:48 Suresh: Use cases for static properties were screen and input charactersitcis of the device 14:21:08 dom: some of these are already available in CSS3 14:23:18 TOPIC: Editorial updates 14:23:37 HTML Media Capture 14:23:47 dom: update sent to the spec 14:24:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0013.html 14:24:15 dom: looking for feedback 14:24:15 need feedback on questions noted in this message, and draft 14:24:31 +1 for quick publish 14:24:31 +??P0 14:24:59 please review will plan to agree to publish next way 14:25:20 Zakim, +??P0 is me 14:25:20 sorry, Wonsuk, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0' 14:25:23 Message draft based on alternative URI based approach 14:25:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0015.html 14:25:51 Zakim, ??P0 is me 14:25:51 +Wonsuk; got it 14:26:05 Maria no longer editing Messaging, request for new editor 14:26:23 updated Messaging draft -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0028.html 14:27:42 "major weakness of that new approach is that it doesn't 14:27:42 allow for feature detection per protocol" 14:27:54 Would the previous draft also made available along with this draft? I think we agreed so? 14:28:29 dom: proposal publish as is, highlight the problem 14:28:50 q+ 14:28:53 +1 to publish 14:28:58 ack Suresh 14:29:36 richt has joined #dap 14:30:07 previous version available in TR space -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-messaging-api-20110120/ 14:30:30 suggest including link to previous alternative version in SOTD of draft 14:33:00 decision, wait a week for feedback, then pubiish WD next week 14:33:01 dom: proposal: wait 1 week and then publish 14:33:27 Contacts 14:34:04 ACTION-271? 14:34:04 ACTION-271 -- Robin Berjon to figure out the event loop stuff for contacts -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN 14:34:04 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/271 14:35:10 ACTION-522? 14:35:10 ACTION-522 does not exist 14:35:51 Zakim, mute me 14:35:51 dom should now be muted 14:36:45 close ACTION-271 14:36:45 ACTION-271 Figure out the event loop stuff for contacts closed 14:36:51 Robin noted that he is editing Contacts for editorial cleanup, completed ACTION-271, discussed with Rich. Additional edits from Rich coming then can be published. 14:37:06 Calendar 14:37:19 Zakim, unmute me 14:37:19 dom should no longer be muted 14:37:34 Zakim, mute suresh 14:37:34 Suresh should now be muted 14:38:11 dom: added a note about the known issue re timezone.. 14:38:43 http://www.w3.org/mid/74604A2C-5DEA-46DC-B38E-4E80B26A7582@berjon.com 14:39:14 ACTION: Robin to publish Calendar 14:39:14 Created ACTION-378 - Publish Calendar [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-04-13]. 14:39:19 RESOLUTION: Publish the Calendar 14:39:38 s/Publish the Calendar/Publish FPWD of Calendar specification/ 14:39:52 API Requirements note 14:39:58 ACTION-281? 14:39:58 ACTION-281 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to take a stab at updating the API Requirements documents -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN 14:39:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/281 14:39:59 Zakim, unmute me 14:39:59 dom was not muted, dom 14:40:14 Topic: Battery Status Event Spec 14:40:28 initial editors draft, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Apr/0004.html 14:40:55 var handler = function (event) { 14:40:55 console.log(event.level); 14:40:55 window.removeEventListener('batterystatus', handler, true); 14:40:55 } 14:40:55 window.addEventListener('batterystatus', handler, true); 14:42:11 the above example is a refined one-shot usage example 14:42:26 to address Suresh concern re one-shot API behavior 14:42:49 +1 to early publication 14:43:00 darobin: any reasno not to publish this soon ? 14:43:10 I don't see the benefit in exposing the battery status via navigator 14:43:22 s/reasno/reason/ 14:43:24 a new DOM Event should be enough 14:43:36 AnssiK: no specific objections 14:43:53 s/Event/event type/ 14:43:56 proposed RESOLUTION: Publish FPWD of Battery Status Event Spec 14:44:02 ACTION: Robin to publish Battery Status 14:44:02 Created ACTION-379 - Publish Battery Status [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-04-13]. 14:44:04 q+ 14:44:07 RESOLUTION: Publish FPWD of Battery Status Event Spec 14:44:29 I want to make sure we address all the questions on the email thread before publish 14:45:39 Publication will be after outstanding comments addressed in draft 14:47:14 ACTION: Robin to CfC Battery Status 14:47:14 Created ACTION-380 - CfC Battery Status [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-04-13]. 14:47:50 darobin: sure 14:48:22 Anssi will note on list when edits complete, then Robin will send CfC, will publish next week 14:49:05 fjh Network Connection Spec 14:49:10 The event model is good but a light weight model mkaes sense as well without the dependency on the event model for simple use cases 14:49:17 ACTION-294? 14:49:17 ACTION-294 -- Richard Tibbett to create an editors draft for new proposed network connection API -- due 2010-11-11 -- OPEN 14:49:17 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/294 14:49:26 q+ 14:49:30 s/fjh Network/Topic: Network/ 14:49:34 ack Suresh 14:50:32 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0123.html Suresh's proposal for Network API 14:50:54 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/att-0123/NetworkInfo_API.html the draft 14:52:47 suresh: comments re multiple connections, not much support due to added complexity 14:52:53 close ACTION-294 14:52:53 ACTION-294 Create an editors draft for new proposed network connection API closed 14:53:13 q+ ConnectionChange event 14:53:19 Zakim, mute me 14:53:19 dom should now be muted 14:53:22 ack ConnectionChange 14:53:24 ack event 14:53:28 Suresh: we could consider roaming info 14:53:28 q+ to talk about ConnectionChange event 14:53:35 ack me 14:53:35 darobin, you wanted to talk about ConnectionChange event 14:53:44 q+ 14:53:49 ack me 14:53:55 darobin: Should there be an even if connection changed ? 14:54:07 s/even/event/ 14:54:16 -Kyungtak 14:54:20 +1 on specifying it in there 14:54:37 dom: triggering online event on ConnectionChange is one option 14:54:43 zakim, who is here? 14:54:46 On the phone I see Kangchan, sungok_you, fjh, lgombos, darobin, Suresh, AnssiK, Claes, dom, Cathy, Wonsuk 14:54:50 On IRC I see richt, Cathy, Claes, jgiraud, darobin, Suresh, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh_, Wonsuk, fjh, Kangchan, Dzung_Tran, sungok_you, homata_, ilkka, lgombos, ingmar, blassey, 14:54:51 darobin: Spec should be specific on this 14:54:53 s/is one option/is what is done in the Android implementation/ 14:54:53 ... dom, trackbot 14:55:10 Zakim, mute me 14:55:10 dom should now be muted 14:56:16 Zakim, unmute me 14:56:16 dom should no longer be muted 14:56:38 lgombos: would the event fire from going from 2G to 3G ? 14:56:55 yes 14:57:00 zakim, who is making noise? 14:57:05 Zakim, mute suresh 14:57:05 Suresh should now be muted 14:57:12 fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Suresh (23%), fjh (9%), darobin (14%) 14:57:59 Zakim, unmute suresh 14:57:59 Suresh should no longer be muted 14:58:16 fjh: next step is to update the spec with the eventing mechanism 15:00:56 Suresh, http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/offline.html#event-online is the place where the online event is defined 15:01:16 ACTION: Robin to send a CfC for Network when Suresh is done integrating the edits 15:01:16 Created ACTION-381 - Send a CfC for Network when Suresh is done integrating the edits [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-04-13]. 15:02:21 TOPIC Action reviews 15:02:23 ACTION-251? 15:02:24 ACTION-251 -- John Morris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture -- due 2010-10-20 -- OPEN 15:02:24 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/251 15:02:30 ACTION-307? 15:02:30 ACTION-307 -- Richard Tibbett to send email to list with resolutions for open issues against contacts, clarifying status -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN 15:02:30 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/307 15:02:40 ACTION-330? 15:02:40 ACTION-330 -- John Morris to review SysInfo privacy considerations section, and ISSUE-64 on "generic" -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN 15:02:40 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/330 15:02:49 ACTION-323? 15:02:49 ACTION-323 -- Bryan Sullivan to update sysinfo related to power discussion -- due 2011-01-12 -- OPEN 15:02:49 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/323 15:02:58 ACTION-339? 15:02:58 ACTION-339 -- Laszlo Gombos to go through existing DAP APIs to see if there are use cases there for Feat Perms (or if the existing approaches work better) -- due 2011-02-23 -- OPEN 15:02:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/339 15:03:20 ISSUE-101? 15:03:20 ISSUE-101 -- Should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? -- open 15:03:20 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/101 15:04:15 ISSUE-101: discussed at F2F, agreed to not specify codec in DAP 15:04:15 ISSUE-101 Should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? notes added 15:04:21 close ISSUE-101 15:04:22 ISSUE-101 Should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? closed 15:05:08 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:05:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:05:22 -Claes 15:05:22 -darobin 15:05:22 -Kangchan 15:05:23 -dom 15:05:23 -lgombos 15:05:24 -Suresh 15:05:25 -sungok_you 15:05:27 -fjh 15:05:27 Wonsuk has left #dap 15:05:37 -Wonsuk 15:05:41 -AnssiK 15:06:00 -Cathy 15:06:02 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:06:03 Attendees were +1.781.534.aaaa, Kangchan, fjh, sungok_you, darobin, dom, lgombos, +1.972.373.aabb, Kyungtak, Suresh, AnssiK, Claes, Cathy, Wonsuk 15:10:15 Present+ Sungok_You 15:10:49 s/aaaah// 15:11:13 s/\+q// 15:11:24 s/^q$// 15:12:33 s/darobin: sure/darobin: sure, will send note to list when edits complete/ 15:12:54 Topic: Adjourn 15:13:00 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:13:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/06-dap-minutes.html fjh 17:16:41 Zakim has left #dap 18:16:23 fjh has joined #dap 18:16:35 ACTION-251? 18:16:35 ACTION-251 -- John Morris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture -- due 2010-10-20 -- OPEN 18:16:35 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/251 18:16:42 ISSUE-78? 18:16:42 ISSUE-78 -- Capture has a minimisation problem with EXIF data (e.g. it could be Geotagged) -- closed 18:16:42 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/78 18:17:00 ACTION-330? 18:17:00 ACTION-330 -- John Morris to review SysInfo privacy considerations section, and ISSUE-64 on "generic" -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN 18:17:00 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/330 18:17:06 ISSUE-64? 18:17:06 ISSUE-64 -- "Generic" sensors may permit discovering sensitive information -- closed 18:17:06 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/64 18:22:54 ACTION-323? 18:22:54 ACTION-323 -- Bryan Sullivan to update sysinfo related to power discussion -- due 2011-01-12 -- OPEN 18:22:54 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/323