16:42:05 RRSAgent has joined #gallery 16:42:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/01-gallery-irc 16:43:29 Zakim, this will be WAI_(Gallery) 16:43:29 ok, judy; I see WAI_(GALLERY)1:30PM scheduled to start in 47 minutes 16:44:24 agenda+ Updated look at challenge and testing description 16:44:24 (will send with updates) 16:44:24 agenda+ Draft announcement materials 16:44:24 agenda+ Anticipating effort needed to sustain 16:44:24 agenda+ Next steps & meetings 16:44:33 agenda? 16:44:45 zakim, drop all agenda 16:44:45 I don't understand 'drop all agenda', judy 16:44:50 zakim, drop item 1 16:44:50 agendum 1, Testing Your Submissions for Accessibility http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/challenge-gallery/wiki/Testing, dropped 16:44:55 zakim, drop item 2 16:44:55 agendum 2, Instructions for posting on Challenge.gov http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/challenge-gallery/wiki/Grab_and_Go_Gallery, dropped 16:44:59 zakim, drop item 3 16:44:59 agendum 3, Updates from CSUN, dropped 16:45:04 zakim, drop item 4 16:45:04 agendum 4, Additional materials to finalize, dropped 16:45:15 zakim, drop item 5 16:45:15 agendum 5, Next steps & meetings, dropped 16:45:17 zakim, drop item 6 16:45:17 agendum 6, Updated look at challenge and testing description, dropped 16:45:19 zakim, drop item 7 16:45:19 agendum 7, Draft announcement materials, dropped 16:45:23 zakim, drop item 8 16:45:23 agendum 8, Anticipating effort needed to sustain, dropped 16:45:29 zakim, drop item 9 16:45:29 agendum 9, Next steps & meetings, dropped 16:45:32 agenda? 16:45:34 agenda+ Updated look at challenge and testing description 16:45:34 (will send with updates) 16:45:34 agenda+ Draft announcement materials 16:45:34 agenda+ Anticipating effort needed to sustain 16:45:34 agenda+ Next steps & meetings 16:46:00 zakim, drop item 10 16:46:00 agendum 10, Updated look at challenge and testing description, dropped 16:46:02 zakim, drop item 11 16:46:02 agendum 11, Draft announcement materials, dropped 16:46:07 zakim, drop item 12 16:46:07 agendum 12, Anticipating effort needed to sustain, dropped 16:46:10 zakim, drop item 13 16:46:10 agendum 13, Next steps & meetings, dropped 16:46:13 zakim, drop item 14 16:46:13 I only see 13 items on the agenda 16:46:17 zakim, drop item 15 16:46:17 I only see 13 items on the agenda 16:46:28 rrsagent, bye 16:46:31 zakim, bye 16:46:31 Zakim has left #gallery 16:46:45 rrsagent, cancel minutes 16:46:45 I'm logging. I don't understand 'cancel minutes', judy. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:46:54 rrsagent, go away 16:46:54 I'm logging. I don't understand 'go away', judy. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:47:01 rrsagent, stop logging 16:47:01 I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', judy. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:48:12 rrsagent, excuse us 16:48:24 rrsagent, make minutes team 16:48:24 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes team', judy. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:48:33 judy has left #gallery 16:48:36 judy has joined #gallery 16:48:40 rrsagent, stop 16:52:58 RRSAgent has joined #gallery 16:52:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/01-gallery-irc 16:53:07 agenda? 16:53:10 agenda+ Updated look at challenge and testing description 16:53:10 (will send with updates) 16:53:10 agenda+ Draft announcement materials 16:53:10 agenda+ Anticipating effort needed to sustain 16:53:10 agenda+ Next steps & meetings 17:28:32 korn1 has joined #gallery 17:30:20 Jan has joined #gallery 17:30:23 zakim, who's here? 17:30:23 sorry, judy, I don't know what conference this is 17:30:25 On IRC I see Jan, korn1, RRSAgent, Zakim, judy 17:31:21 zakim, code? 17:31:21 sorry, Jan, I don't know what conference this is 17:32:18 chair: Judy 17:32:22 scribe: Judy 17:32:37 zakim, who's here? 17:32:37 has not yet started, judy 17:32:38 On IRC I see Jan, korn1, RRSAgent, Zakim, judy 17:33:00 Zakim, this will be WAI_(Gallery) 17:33:00 ok, judy, I see WAI_(GALLERY)1:30PM already started 17:33:05 zakim, who's here? 17:33:05 On the phone I see [Oracle], +1.703.602.aaaa, Judy, +1.202.418.aabb, [IPcaller] 17:33:07 On IRC I see Jan, korn1, RRSAgent, Zakim, judy 17:33:10 +Andi_Snow_Weaver 17:33:29 +Debbie 17:34:44 agenda? 17:34:48 Andi has joined #gallery 17:34:55 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 17:34:55 +Jan; got it 17:35:21 zakim, [Oracle] is really Peter 17:35:21 +Peter; got it 17:36:38 zakim, take up item 1 17:36:38 agendum 1. "Updated look at challenge and testing description" taken up [from judy] 17:36:50 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/challenge-gallery/wiki/Grab_and_Go_Gallery 17:38:50 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/challenge-gallery/wiki/Testing 17:42:19 +Cynthia_Shelly 17:43:36 cyns has joined #gallery 17:44:25 action: jan rewrite and resend edits referring to atag 17:44:38 action: judy add in jan's atag edits 17:47:58 judy sends links to updated wiki pages with instructions, and testing, sections 17:48:15 jan notes that his edits are missing 17:49:29 jan will refind or resend, judy will enter them 17:49:48 judy: note changes in request for license info 17:50:09 judy: Jamal and Debby, can you check this on behalf of your agencies? 17:51:36 Debby: we're about to announce two other accessibility challenges, may be for specific document formats 17:52:47 Jamal: possible for CIO Council Accessibility group to host? 17:53:01 Debby: thought couldn't 18:00:21 sorry it's 2pm and I have to go. 18:00:41 -Jan 18:01:56 judy: from meeting last July - template that supports accessibility and is available through a commercial tool might be useful as a model for somebody developing another commercial tool or an open source tool 18:02:36 (and from above: Judy will check about the agency hosting question, and check with Elizabeth and Karen as needed) 18:02:46 peter: might have commercial tools we would want to let the world know about, might need to change internal communication if this is only for things that are freely available 18:03:16 john?: think that we do want to include things that are available commercially 18:03:38 judy: need to make sure we have licensing information that makes sense so that we get the right info 18:04:30 peter: there is a continuum - jquery is open source, some things are available under multiple licenses, might have something proprietary but free, might have something completely commercial 18:04:51 Currently states: "Verify that you have the legal right to submit this work, and specify the license under which the material can be used by others. " 18:05:27 judy: need to confirm that we have the right language because will be distributing this to agencies for review 18:05:54 judy: may throw an extra cycle or two into the review/approval process 18:06:31 peter: suggest "templates and many of the components are freely available" - would encompass many of the other things we've been talking about 18:07:18 jamal: most of these are Javascript based widgets which you can view the source for - are there commercial toolkits that have JS widgets? 18:07:31 peter: just because you can view it doesn't mean you have the license to use it 18:07:54 peter: some are client-server based where the client bit doesn't work without the server bit 18:08:50 judy: similar things are needed in many different settings - the gallery submissions were meant to inspire similar implementations in other tools 18:09:00 judy: will that be a problem? 18:10:15 andi: we call that "contamination" where you look at something and could get into trouble for implementing something similar 18:11:22 cynthia: looking at shareable content that runs on Windows platforms 18:11:45 cynthia: think there is value in sharing commercial widgets - some people just want to download a widget and use it 18:12:17 cynthia: looking at submitting purpose built content - build specifically for the gallery and not used anywhere else 18:12:51 cynthia: don't think it makes sense to limit it to non-commercial things 18:13:52 peter: GPL license says you have to share derivative works 18:14:12 peter: never seen any contamination cases arising out of GPL 18:15:02 zakim, who's here? 18:15:02 On the phone I see Peter, +1.703.602.aaaa, Judy, +1.202.418.aabb, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Debbie, Cynthia_Shelly 18:15:04 On IRC I see Andi, korn1, RRSAgent, Zakim, judy 18:15:09 peter: by making a license recommendation, we would be giving psuedo-legal advice 18:15:21 zakim, 1.202 is Jamal_Mazrui 18:15:21 sorry, judy, I do not recognize a party named '1.202' 18:17:12 jamal: LGPL allows use of component - if you modify it, you have to make the modified component available 18:20:05 judy: think we need a sub-group to look at legal issues - Peter and Jamal volunteer 18:20:37 debbie: would like SSA people to start reviewing the drafts 18:20:58 action: judy run some questions around on the license questions 18:21:05 debbie: just my team initially - won't be focusing on the IP issue 18:21:17 Zakim, Debbie is Debby 18:21:17 +Debby; got it 18:22:03 peter: think having commercial things included as long as they are properly identified is good 18:22:09 s/debbie/debby/ 18:22:31 judy: still want most of the widgets to be free 18:22:57 peter: if part of audience is US gov't agencies who want to make their websites accessible, that may be okay. They purchase software all the time. 18:23:42 jamal: if there are commercial offerings, that could be a problem for challenge.gov - it's a governnment site that may not want to be seen as advertising commercial offerings 18:25:08 judy: asks Jamal to participate in joint call with challenge.gov and hopes they will agree to follow up with Judy without Jamal 18:28:15 Andi: yes... 18:28:41 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 18:29:15 judy: reactions to the Description 18:29:26 peter: only concern is how we treat "free" 18:29:48 judy: things may work for the gallery but NOT on challenge.gof 18:30:04 judy: challenge.gov is a "collection front-end" 18:30:20 Debby: looks good to me. 18:31:03 judy: may need to do something like get a "roughly OK sense" from FCC, SSA, and W3C. And then hand it to OSTP 18:31:15 judy: counting on OSTP making the announcement - and they may need to tweek a little bit 18:31:38 judy: standard response to "when" is "two weeks from now". Has been for many weeks now... 18:32:04 judy: truly was hoping it would be ~2 weeks from now. But the license questions now may put that into question 18:32:37 debby: will get off the call now, and will ask Frank to take a look at this stuff 18:33:03 judy: trying to figure out what the resourcing needs might be - in case anyone can stay for a few minutes about that 18:33:24 -Debby 18:33:57 judy: John will take another pass @ templates; can launch w/out them, but strongly prefer to have them 18:34:27 judy: Jan Richards & Judy working on a logo for the gallery itself; should be showing up... 18:34:51 judy: a simplified combination of some of the Fluid-type image elements, maybe others - a "mini-gallery" 18:35:35 judy: trying to figure out what kinds of resources would sustain this - eval help, outreach, ... any thoughts/reactions are welcome 18:36:21 judy: thanks to all; expect to meet again next Friday - will send mail on that 18:36:33 - +1.202.418.aabb 18:36:34 - +1.703.602.aaaa 18:36:34 -Cynthia_Shelly 18:36:34 judy: effusive praise to Peter for doign final minutes work 18:36:38 -Peter 18:36:43 -Judy 18:36:44 WAI_(GALLERY)1:30PM has ended 18:36:46 Attendees were +1.703.602.aaaa, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy, +1.202.418.aabb, Jan, Peter, Cynthia_Shelly, Debby 18:36:58 korn1 has left #gallery 19:07:47 Andi has left #gallery 22:33:54 rrsagent, make minutes public 22:33:54 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', judy. Try /msg RRSAgent help 22:33:59 rrsagent, make minutes 22:33:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/01-gallery-minutes.html judy 22:34:09 rrsagent, make log public