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15:01:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:01:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:05 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:01:05 <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2011
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15:02:10 <MichaelC> regrets: Laura_Carlson, Paul_Cotton, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:02:19 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0184.html
15:03:24 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:03:24 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
15:03:31 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.650.468.aaaa, ??P3, Michael_Cooper
15:03:41 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P3 is Janina_Sajka
15:03:41 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:03:49 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is John_Foliot
15:03:49 <Zakim> +John_Foliot; got it
15:06:14 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper
15:11:59 <Zakim> +??P2
15:12:29 <MikeSmith> hmm, I think I need to switch my network connection
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15:21:28 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith
15:21:55 <MikeSmith> Topic: issue 152 (multitrack media)
15:22:22 <MikeSmith> JF: Silvia had some discussion with Hixie… possibly leading to some level of agreement
15:23:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:23:47 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Frank_Olivier
15:23:47 <Zakim> +Frank_Olivier; got it
15:23:54 <MikeSmith> … a guess is that they might be able to get closer to agreement in another week or three
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15:24:41 <Zakim> + +1.510.367.aabb
15:24:49 <MikeSmith> frankolivier: we'd like to see pare down the number of change proposals
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15:25:11 <MikeSmith> … we want ASAP some means for doing text-track enumeration and selection
15:25:20 <MikeSmith> … and for in-band tracks
15:25:38 <MikeSmith> … we don't have particularly strong positions on the syntax
15:25:47 <MikeSmith> … but we do want the functionality
15:25:52 <MikeSmith> q?
15:26:12 <MichaelC> zakim, aabb is Eric_Carlson
15:26:12 <Zakim> +Eric_Carlson; got it
15:27:09 <MikeSmith> eric_carlson: the proposal from Sylvia and I is similar in many ways to Hixie's proposal
15:27:26 <MikeSmith> … but there is a fundamental difference about whether the timelines are slaved together or not
15:27:43 <MikeSmith> … but I think we are close to having agreement on that
15:27:56 <MikeSmith> JF: question is, When? any sense of timing on that?
15:30:00 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: frankolivier, are the differences among your change proposal and the ones for Hixie and Eric/Sylvia resolvable reasonably soon?
15:30:29 <MikeSmith> eric_carlson: we missed the fact that we didn't have a mechanism for selecting among in-band tracks
15:30:37 <MikeSmith> … but that definitely needs to be fixed
15:30:49 <MikeSmith> frankolivier: that is what my proposal adds
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15:32:06 <MikeSmith> frankolivier: we have a lot of places where the caption format itself is important to discuss
15:32:27 <MikeSmith> … in particular, the styling of captions
15:32:54 <MikeSmith> … and some of that needs to be done in the HTML5 spec itself, not in the caption-format spec
15:33:32 <MikeSmith> … we have an open bug for this now; the spec either needs to say that the captions are styleable from the page, or they are not
15:34:52 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: janina, what do you think the consequences would be if we don't get a decision on this prior to LC?
15:35:42 <Zakim> +Judy
15:35:52 <MikeSmith> janina: I don't think this is as critical [as some of the other media issues] to get resolved in time for LC; it's understood already that it's a relatively new issue [that came up fairly late in the process]
15:36:25 <MikeSmith> JF: and we still do not have agreement about the caption format
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15:37:08 <MikeSmith> JF: we are also wondering whether the WebVTT work will be brought into the W3C
15:38:06 <MikeSmith> frankolivier: we would like to see [at least one caption format] that everybody is willing to implement as a baseline format -- but not to the exclusion of other formats
15:38:53 <MikeSmith> JF: I got the impression that [getting work started asap on a W3C WG for the caption format] is not a high priority
15:39:08 <MikeSmith> judy: no, there is active work going on
15:39:31 <judy> s/there is active work going on/this is actively being looked at/
15:39:52 <MikeSmith> q?
15:40:18 <MikeSmith> Topic: issue 30 (longdesc)
15:40:34 <MikeSmith> judy: my understanding is that there was some progress made in discussion about longdesc
15:41:01 <MikeSmith> … not sure if there was additional discussion later in the day at the f2f on Saturday or on Sunday at all
15:41:03 <JF> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/img-longdesc.html#long  
15:41:27 <MikeSmith> judy: it would be helpful to have a clear TF proposal [endorsed by the TF]
15:41:56 <MikeSmith> … I think having a clear TF proposal for restoring longdesc would be helpful
15:42:34 <MikeSmith> … of course, it would be useful to also include details about possible future directions, because it seems clear that longdesc is not where we all want to end up
15:43:01 <MikeSmith> judy: is there any progress that could be made by summarizing where we are now on this?
15:44:30 <MikeSmith> judy: we had hoped that there would be a way to address this very early in the LC period, but that seems less likely now
15:44:48 <MikeSmith> … for one thing, we do not have a proposal from the TF
15:44:56 <MikeSmith> … only from individuals
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15:45:42 <MikeSmith> JF: Hixie as somewhat dismissive of the proposed text that Steve Faulkner wrote up
15:46:08 <MikeSmith> judy: I am still hoping a call for alternative proposals could be issued sooner rather than later
15:46:22 <MikeSmith> s/Hixie as/Hixie was/
15:47:16 <MikeSmith> judy: I would be interested in seeing John and Steve continue to work on [refining the proposal that's been submitted]
15:47:34 <MikeSmith> … and it would be valuable to have a statement coming from the TF on this
15:47:57 <MikeSmith> JF: yeah, maybe we need to do that
15:48:39 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:49:31 <MikeSmith> judy: we need a stable proposal from the TF that reflects the discussion that took place during the f2f
15:49:52 <MikeSmith> judy: do you think we can have that by the beginning of the week
15:50:16 <MikeSmith> JF: the more we extend what's in the proposal now, the more risk there is of pushback
15:50:36 <MikeSmith> … we are already getting feedback that it should going in UAG
15:50:48 <MikeSmith> s/UAG/UAAG
15:52:11 <MikeSmith> JF: so as I understand this conversation, we need a position statement from the TF, and prior to that, we need to [get feedback from the TF]
15:53:21 <MikeSmith> action: John to send a draft statement on longdesc to the TF by early next week, in anticipation of polling the TF to measure agreement on the position statement in that draft
15:53:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Send a draft statement on longdesc to the TF by early next week, in anticipation of polling the TF to measure agreement on the position statement in that draft [on John Foliot - due 2011-03-31].
15:54:12 <JF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
15:56:56 <judy> q+
15:57:56 <MikeSmith> ack judy 
15:58:29 <MikeSmith> judy: we are still interested in inviting discussion on one or two possibilities for getting this in still before LC
16:00:16 <MikeSmith> JF: I'm just seeking clarification about dates
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16:01:18 <MikeSmith> adjourned
16:01:19 <Zakim> -Judy
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16:02:46 <Stevef> getting conference resricted on the phone
16:02:55 <Stevef> restricted
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16:03:46 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.468.aaaa, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, Mike_Smith, Frank_Olivier, +1.510.367.aabb, Eric_Carlson, Judy
16:05:09 <Stevef> i know why now, I am 1 hour late - damned time zone chnages!
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16:15:59 <MikeSmith> Stevef: yeah, I should have gotten the agenda out earlier and made it clear it was an hour earlier
16:16:01 <MikeSmith> sorry
16:16:15 <Stevef> no problem, joined the html call instead
16:20:21 <MikeSmith> Present: Eric_Carlson Frank_Olivier Janina_Sajka John_Foliot Judy MichaelC MikeSmith
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16:23:30 <MikeSmith> Regrets+ Marco
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