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09:03:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:03:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:03:08 <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2011
09:03:17 <raphael> zakim, code?
09:03:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), raphael
09:03:38 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
09:03:43 <raphael> Regrets: Erik
09:04:09 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaaa
09:04:26 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Mar/0027.html
09:04:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:05:04 <Zakim> +Yves
09:05:37 <Zakim> + +329331aabb
09:05:48 <raphael> zakim, aabb is Davy
09:05:48 <Zakim> +Davy; got it
09:06:46 <raphael> scribe: Raphael
09:06:49 <raphael> scribenick: raphael
09:06:51 <raphael> cl
09:07:00 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
09:07:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:07:36 <raphael> Present: Yves, Davy, Thomas, Raphael, Philip (irc)
09:08:16 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon, http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:08:32 <raphael> +1
09:09:01 <Yves> +1
09:09:18 <davy> +1
09:09:29 <raphael> minutes accepted
09:09:34 <raphael> ACTION-205?
09:09:34 <trackbot> ACTION-205 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist -- due 2010-12-15 -- CLOSED
09:09:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205
09:09:38 <tomayac> +1
09:09:40 <raphael> ACTION-215?
09:09:40 <trackbot> ACTION-215 -- Erik Mannens to poke people and encourage them to join the telecons -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
09:09:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/215
09:10:21 <raphael> Davy ???
09:10:39 <tomayac> yeah, phone is dead
09:10:46 <Zakim> -Davy
09:10:58 <tomayac> hearing now
09:11:19 <Yves> nobody can hear you raphae
09:11:32 <Zakim> +Davy
09:11:52 <Zakim> +raphael.a
09:12:24 <tomayac> raphaël muted again :-(
09:12:27 <Zakim> -raphael
09:12:29 <Zakim> -raphael.a
09:13:07 <Zakim> + +34.93.00.aacc
09:13:12 <tomayac> yes
09:13:17 <raphael> zakim, aacc is raphael
09:13:17 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
09:15:24 <Zakim> -Davy
09:16:06 <Zakim> +Davy
09:17:00 <raphael> Topic: 2. HTML5 Bugs
09:17:17 <raphael> ACTION-213?
09:17:17 <trackbot> ACTION-213 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to submit the proposed list of bugs to HTML5 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
09:17:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/213
09:17:30 <raphael> ... pending?
09:17:47 <raphael> Topic: 3. WhatWG Liaison
09:18:10 <raphael> Hixie sugestion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0436.html
09:18:49 <raphael> ... related to the MultiTrack API, and issue 152, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
09:19:12 <raphael> ... the main questions for Philip: is there consensus for this proposal in the WG?
09:19:20 <raphael> Topic: 4. Test Cases
09:19:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:20:02 <raphael> Davy: test cases for the spatial dimension have been added yesterday
09:20:19 <raphael> ... Philip has also proposed some nasty test cases, that will be added next week to the suite
09:20:34 <raphael> ... the unit tests are also based on Thomas test cases from his js implementation
09:21:17 <raphael> ... I'm considering also test cases for the track dimension
09:21:46 <raphael> ... regarding the automatic test cases framework, it should be ready by next week to test
09:21:50 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
09:22:43 <raphael> Davy: I encourage you to use Chrome because there is a lot of javascript
09:23:29 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases#TC0003-UA
09:23:48 <raphael> Davy: each test case has its own URI
09:23:58 <raphael> ... this page is made for reviewing the test cases!
09:24:08 <raphael> ... the last column is the status from the group
09:24:12 <tomayac> the uris of the test cases are not exposed to the ui, are they?
09:24:34 <raphael> ... we should review them and correct them if necessary
09:25:33 <raphael> Davy: good point, I will put those links in the HTML version from the first column
09:25:42 <raphael> ... it is also read only
09:25:55 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.rdf
09:25:59 <raphael> ... generated from the rdf version
09:27:15 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
09:27:35 <raphael> Davy: another tool will enable to launch a test suite over a particular implementation, should be ready in 2 weeks from now
09:28:32 <raphael> Raphael: summary, we have two large tables to review
09:28:44 <raphael> ... built from two rdf files
09:29:53 <tomayac> fsck, the connection seems too slow, raphael is almost ununderstandable
09:30:09 <tomayac> terminator voice? raphael has a terminator voice
09:30:25 <raphael> Raphael: question is how should we proceed to review those 2 large tables ?
09:30:33 <tomayac> bandwidth...
09:30:42 <raphael> ... option 1: during a plenary telecon with _everybody_ (preferred by Yves)
09:31:01 <raphael> ... option 2: distributed among group members that report on them in a telecon 
09:31:12 <tomayac> +1 for opt1
09:31:17 <raphael> +1 for option 1
09:31:32 <tomayac> makes clarification easier in case of doubts
09:31:45 <tomayac> (redialing)
09:31:49 <Zakim> -tomayac_
09:32:24 <Zakim> +tomayac_
09:32:53 <raphael> Raphael: next week is WWW conference, most likely will cancel the telecon
09:33:39 <raphael> ... wondering if we could review all test cases on April 6
09:33:48 <raphael> Thomas: I will not be here
09:34:39 <raphael> Raphael: excellent work Davy
09:34:52 <raphael> Topic: 5. Other ISSUES
09:35:06 <raphael> ISSUE-21?
09:35:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- Expressing complex regions with a reference in Media Fragments URI -- open
09:35:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/21
09:37:20 <raphael> Thomas: the use case makes sense
09:37:37 <raphael> ... I'm not sure if there is not security issue with their proposal
09:38:35 <raphael> Yves: I tend to be against it, because this reference could break/conflict with existing dimensions
09:39:38 <raphael> Davy: this reminds me of the whole discussion about extensibility
09:39:47 <raphael> ... can we answer this is considered for version 2 ?
09:40:22 <Yves> they can encode the SVG in EXI to make it small, then encode it
09:40:36 <Yves> but it would need an extension as exi is not utf-8
09:40:45 <raphael> Thomas: perhaps we could come up with a subset of svg that narrows more the scope of the complex spatial frament
09:40:51 <raphael> s/frament/fragment
09:41:48 <raphael> Thomas: this would require to precisely specify which regions we want, 2D only?, circles, polygons
09:42:31 <raphael> Raphael: tracking images over the time?
09:42:41 <raphael> Thomas: CSS has animations, do they consider this?
09:43:39 <raphael> Raphael: we could invite one representant of this use case in a upcoming telecon
09:44:41 <tomayac> hoping not to open a pandora box... 
09:44:42 <raphael> Topic: 6. AOB
09:45:15 <tomayac> http://tomayac.com/mediafragments/mediafragments.html
09:45:25 <raphael> Summary: we need to have a telecon for reviewing test cases, a telecon with Adisson for I18N, a telecon with Europeana for discussing ISSUE-21
09:45:32 <raphael> ... so we need MORE people MORE often
09:47:30 <raphael> Raphael: for Safari bug, ping eric.carlson@apple.com and singer@apple.com
09:48:50 <tomayac> pardon my ignorance ;-)
09:49:07 <raphael> No telecon next week because of the WWW conference
09:49:14 <raphael> Next telecon is on April 6th
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09:49:35 <Zakim> -raphael
09:49:37 <Zakim> -Yves
09:49:38 <Zakim> -Davy
09:49:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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09:49:42 <Zakim> Attendees were tomayac_, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, raphael, Yves, +329331aabb, Davy, +34.93.00.aacc
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