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10:47:56 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
10:47:56 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
10:48:09 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG Telco
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11:02:23 <tmichel> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0083.html
11:02:31 <tmichel> chair: Thierry
11:02:44 <tmichel> regrets: Mari Carmen
11:03:18 <tmichel> florian said he maybe be a few minutes late ...
11:03:28 <tmichel> Joakim said he would join from China
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11:13:04 <pchampin> zakim, Bjorn_Bringert is me
11:13:04 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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11:15:27 <stegmai> scribe: stegmai
11:15:28 <tmichel> scribe: florian
11:15:46 <tmichel> 2. Next meeting
11:15:46 <tmichel> 2011/03/29 
11:16:00 <stegmai> topic: open action items
11:16:39 <stegmai> action-189: pending Tobias will provide it
11:16:39 <trackbot> ACTION-189 Postponed: Work on the the subproperties notes added
11:17:24 <stegmai> action-189: close
11:17:24 <trackbot> ACTION-189 Postponed: Work on the the subproperties notes added
11:17:33 <pchampin> close action-189
11:17:34 <trackbot> ACTION-189 Postponed: Work on the the subproperties closed
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11:18:56 <pchampin> action-360: pending, florian has students working on it
11:18:56 <trackbot> ACTION-360 Provide an example of an automatic test routine (before x-mas break) notes added
11:21:18 <stegmai> action-369: pending Joakim will investigate it this week
11:21:18 <trackbot> ACTION-369 In 2nd LC, send spec to Ilkka. One UC: creation-date, creator technical properties, location notes added
11:22:22 <stegmai> action-402: close
11:22:22 <trackbot> ACTION-402 Change creationdate to date in the api document notes added
11:24:08 <pchampin> +1 to make the recommendation global
11:24:15 <stegmai> action-403: close
11:24:15 <trackbot> ACTION-403 Add in API spec, for compression; implementers are encouraged to return a URI notes added
11:24:23 <pchampin> (encourage to return URI for any property that allows that)
11:24:51 <tmichel> topic: 2nd Last Call Transition of the Ontology for Media Resource 1.0 
11:24:52 <stegmai> action to Werner Propose a draft for a "global URI recommedation
11:24:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
11:25:09 <stegmai> action: Werner to Propose a draft for a "global URI recommedation" and send it to Florian
11:25:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-404 - Propose a draft for a "global URI recommedation" and send it to Florian [on Werner Bailer - due 2011-03-29].
11:25:40 <stegmai> topic: 2nd last call of ontology document
11:26:12 <stegmai> we have received a positive comment, but should discuss these at the end of the 2nd LC period
11:26:40 <stegmai> end of April we will issue a CR version of the ontology document
11:26:52 <pchampin> q+
11:27:05 <stegmai> only change will be the status of the document section
11:27:28 <stegmai> here we state that we will habe a test suite and what kind of tests we will have
11:27:39 <stegmai> Thierry will draft something about tests and test suite
11:28:15 <stegmai> in CR we will do the test cases by the end of May - after that in end of June a PR version will be published
11:28:28 <stegmai> after that the document is out of the WG?s hands
11:29:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-mediaann-minutes.html stegmai
11:29:30 <pchampin> q-
11:30:24 <tmichel> topic: Mapping, RDF and test-cases from Pierre-Antoine
11:30:24 <tmichel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0039.html 
11:34:11 <pchampin> implementations are free to generate RDF subproperties
11:34:31 <pchampin> this makes their output syntactically different from the minimal RDF graph that we would provide in the test-cases
11:35:02 <pchampin> validating the test would require that the produced graph *entails* (logically implies) the reference graph
11:35:20 <stegmai> Werner: we should setup a service that ensures controlled conditions
11:35:24 <pchampin> which requires testers to use an RDFS inference engine instead of a purely syntactic comparison
11:35:47 <stegmai> ... API testing could rely on JSON and we could create a RDF out of JSON to check the results
11:37:29 <stegmai> Thierry: in the ontology we have sub-properties...maybe restrict this in the API
11:37:59 <stegmai> ... shall we have to sets of tests
11:38:35 <stegmai> Werner: test documents should be as complete as possible for the ontology document
11:39:09 <stegmai> ... automatic tests should be based on a strict test data set
11:39:48 <wbailer> s/strict/stripped/
11:40:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-mediaann-minutes.html stegmai
11:41:05 <pchampin> In RDF, I provided two files for each test: an example output, using sub-properties, and a minimal "reference" output, which must be entailed by any implementation output
11:41:28 <stegmai> Thierry (summary): For each format we will have a complete RDF and a minimum RDF (maybe used for the implementation)
11:41:48 <pchampin> I think in JSON, the same can be done, even in an automatic way, by stripping off some attributes?
11:43:25 <stegmai> RESOLUTION: For each format two different RDF versions should be provided: a complete version (suitable for ontology document tests) and a minimal version (suitable for automatic testing)
11:43:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-mediaann-minutes.html stegmai
11:43:43 <pchampin> http://liris.cnrs.fr/~pchampin/research/mawg/id3/
11:46:14 <stegmai> close action-402
11:46:14 <trackbot> ACTION-402 Change creationdate to date in the api document closed
11:46:23 <stegmai> close action-403
11:46:24 <trackbot> ACTION-403 Add in API spec, for compression; implementers are encouraged to return a URI closed
11:49:31 <pchampin> I can give a try to automate the "minimalization" of RDF
11:51:52 <stegmai> in next meeting we will rediscuss this things
11:51:57 <stegmai> topic: Revision of the API document
11:52:22 <stegmai> Thierry: three open issues left, but not much discussion present in the group
11:52:52 <tmichel> topic:Revision of the API document (Florian/Werner have a new version) updating the API document based on the conclusions from the last F2F. 
11:53:01 <tmichel> Discuss the "three issues" identified (Werner, Florian):
11:53:01 <tmichel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0001.html 
11:53:10 <stegmai> Werner explains the open issues again (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0001.html)
11:53:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-mediaann-minutes.html stegmai
11:54:04 <stegmai> Werner: PAs proposal was to drop the subtype filter
11:54:12 <Zakim> - +39.538.5.aaaa
11:54:25 <stegmai> ... we could simply iterate on the results and implement the filter on our own
11:54:37 <tmichel> i was disconnected ... calling back ...
11:54:49 <stegmai> ... splitting in link and label will create confusion
11:54:51 <Zakim> + +39.538.5.aabb
11:57:09 <stegmai> RESOLUTION: Drop subtype filter options in the API document (objections valid until 29.03.)
11:59:54 <stegmai> Werner explains the last issue with a normative JSON representation
12:04:14 <stegmai> RESOLUTION: A complete MediaAnnotation example, and examples for each of the properties containing the specific attributes - a JSON schema can be added later in CR
12:06:35 <stegmai> Thierry: WebIDL will be Recommendation
12:06:42 <stegmai> ... some things will be removed
12:06:55 <stegmai> Florian: i will check this things
12:07:58 <pchampin> don't they have an online validator??
12:09:06 <stegmai> action: Thierry Send the WebIDL document link (going for recommendation) to Florian when available
12:09:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-405 - Send the WebIDL document link (going for recommendation) to Florian when available [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-03-29].
12:11:59 <stegmai> action: Joakim Ping Apple if they could make an async implementation (e.g., as Safari extension)
12:11:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-406 - Ping Apple if they could make an async implementation (e.g., as Safari extension) [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2011-03-29].
12:13:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-mediaann-minutes.html stegmai
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12:31:42 <tmichel> rrsagent,draft minutes
12:31:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-mediaann-minutes.html tmichel
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