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14:53:19 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare meeting
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14:53:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:53:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:53:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:53:24 <trackbot> Date: 09 March 2011
14:53:46 <aphillip> rrsagent, make logs world
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14:53:57 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:53:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:54:01 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:54:20 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Feb/0013.html
14:54:28 <aphillip> Chair:   Addison Phillips
14:54:35 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:54:39 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:54:45 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:55:11 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
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14:57:31 <Zakim> +??P10
14:57:36 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
14:57:40 <Zakim> +Gwyneth
14:57:50 <Zakim> +??P11
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14:58:56 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:00:42 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:00:42 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:44 <Zakim> +Richard
15:01:02 <Zakim> +??P17
15:01:37 <matial> zakim, mute me
15:01:39 <Zakim> sorry, matial, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:02:07 <matial> zakim, mute me
15:02:07 <Zakim> sorry, matial, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:02:12 <aphillip> zakim, mute matial
15:02:12 <Zakim> sorry, aphillip, I do not know which phone connection belongs to matial
15:02:31 <r12a> zakim, who is making noise?
15:02:37 <matial> zakim, mute me
15:02:49 <Zakim> matial should now be muted
15:02:53 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kennyluck (11%), matial (60%)
15:03:45 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
15:04:00 <aphillip> next steps on time zone document
15:04:05 <aphillip> review review radar
15:04:09 <Norbert> Norbert has joined #i18n
15:04:14 <aphillip> (and pipeline document)
15:04:39 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:15 <David> David has joined #i18n
15:05:17 <aphillip> send comments to the archives
15:05:24 <Zakim> +??P19
15:05:39 <Zakim> +??P1
15:05:43 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:57 <aphillip> action 21 in progress
15:05:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 21
15:06:01 <aphillip> (crud)
15:06:11 <Norbert> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:06:11 <Zakim> +Norbert; got it
15:06:14 <aphillip> next week
15:06:19 <Zakim> +David
15:06:25 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:07:02 <aphillip> richard: watch out for the multilingual web workshop
15:07:06 <kennyluck> q+
15:07:27 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:07:50 <aphillip> felix: mini-report on markup symposium
15:07:55 <aphillip> ... attended last week
15:07:58 <r12a> q+
15:08:03 <aphillip> ... gave report on JLReq
15:08:27 <aphillip> ... they liked it a lot, in things like XSL-FO and also ePub
15:08:34 <aphillip> ... some good feedback
15:09:10 <fsasaki> here is the link about the event: http://www.markupforum.de/
15:09:42 <aphillip> kennyluck: launched chinese interest group (html5)
15:09:49 <aphillip> ... defined broadly
15:10:00 <fsasaki> s/ePub/ePub and technologies applied in ePub like CSS3/
15:10:06 <aphillip> ... want to do something similar to JLReq
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15:10:58 <kennyluck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-ig-zh/
15:11:12 <Zakim> + +972.7.474.6aaaa
15:11:15 <kennyluck> homepage: http://www.w3.org/html/ig/zh/
15:11:37 <aphillip> ack r12a
15:11:55 <aphillip> richard: there may be a workshop in Tokyo related to JLReq later in the year
15:12:19 <aphillip> ... if Chinese "CLReq" interest, may want to talk to those folks and/or possibly
15:12:30 <David> zakim, mute me
15:12:30 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:12:32 <aphillip> ... adapt the JLReq doc for specific Chinese needs
15:12:46 <Zakim> -kennyluck
15:13:32 <aphillip> richard: LISA (localization industry standards org) gave up ghost
15:13:42 <aphillip> ... they have shutdown, possibly temporarily
15:14:11 <aphillip> Topic: review review radar and document pipeline
15:14:20 <r12a> ack ri
15:14:29 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/core/review-radar
15:16:49 <aphillip> richard: changes to radar...
15:16:57 <aphillip> ... before we only put last calls here
15:17:04 <aphillip> ... but started putting anything that needs review here
15:17:20 <aphillip> ... so public can see
15:17:31 <aphillip> ... same goes for WD reviews such as CSS materials
15:18:02 <aphillip> Topic: working with time zones: next steps
15:18:23 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Pipeline
15:18:23 <aphillip> Topic: pipeline
15:19:10 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/core/
15:20:05 <kennyluck> q+
15:20:11 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:21:13 <aphillip> Topic: Time zones document next steps
15:21:54 <kennyluck> Addison: Got serveral feedbacks. Not yet incorporated
15:22:18 <kennyluck> ... next step: clean that up. Bring that to the WG and advance it to a note.
15:23:03 <kennyluck> Richard: Who's gonna convert that into the Note format?
15:24:18 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: send addison tools for conversion to HTML
15:24:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Send addison tools for conversion to HTML [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-03-16].
15:24:31 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: finish edits and convert time zones document to HTL
15:24:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Finish edits and convert time zones document to HTL [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-03-16].
15:24:42 <aphillip> s/HTL/HTML/
15:25:44 <kennyluck> ACTION-25 due this month
15:25:44 <trackbot> ACTION-25 Finish edits and convert time zones document to HTL due date now this month
15:27:02 <aphillip> Topic: CSS3 writing-mode comments
15:27:40 <matial> zakim, unmute me
15:27:40 <Zakim> matial should no longer be muted
15:28:15 <r12a> public-i18n-core
15:28:15 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-bidi/2011JanMar/0073.html
15:29:36 <aphillip> 1) In section 2, the example should use upper case for RTL and lower case  for Latin.
15:30:12 <aphillip> richard: agree
15:30:38 <aphillip> addison: also a few real examples in the document
15:30:43 <aphillip> 2) Section 2, "User agents that support bidirectional text must apply the  Unicode bidirectional algorithm to every sequence of inline boxes  uninterrupted by a forced (bidi class B) line break or block boundary."  should be "User agents that support bidirectional text must apply the  Unicode bidirectional algorithm to every sequence of inline boxes  uninterrupted by a forced (bidi class B) paragraph break or block  boundary."
15:31:35 <aphillip> boundary."      Rationale: the status of line breaks, in particular the <br> tag, re  bidi isolation is blurry. Paragraphs are unequivocal bidi isolators.
15:32:10 <aphillip> aharon: also agree
15:32:16 <aphillip> ... doesn't need to talk about <br>
15:32:22 <aphillip> ... plenty of cases without that
15:34:02 <aphillip> 3) In section 2.1, the sentence "The ‘direction’ property has no  reordering in inline-level elements whose ‘unicode-bidi’ property's value  is ‘normal’." is not clear to me.
15:35:00 <aphillip> richard: not embedding, not overriding...
15:35:20 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:35:26 <aphillip> ... 'direction' property could be used for "other things" like embed
15:35:35 <aphillip> ... or override
15:35:50 <Zakim> +??P1
15:36:13 <aphillip> aharon: direction property has no effect on inline-level elements whose unicode-bidi property value is normal
15:36:45 <aphillip> 4) Section 2.2, in the paragraph explaining "embed": there is no need for  a semicolon after Unicode values U+202A and U+202B.      Rationale: they are not entities.
15:37:09 <aphillip> 5) Ibidem: the description does not explain what "embed" would mean for  block-level elements.
15:37:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:37:46 <aphillip> matial: various cases explained
15:37:52 <aphillip> ... should have complete description
15:38:14 <aphillip> 7) In section 2.2, the order of the explanations for the values should  rather be: normal, embed, isolate, plaintext, bidi-override, like in the  prototype. The current order does not seem to correspond to anything.
15:39:16 <aphillip> richard: there is a double vertical line at the top of it
15:39:51 <kennyluck> normal
15:39:55 <kennyluck> embed
15:40:01 <kennyluck> embed plaintext
15:40:08 <kennyluck> isolate plaintext
15:40:12 <aphillip> Value: 	normal | [ [ embed | isolate ] || [ plaintext | bidi-override ] ] 
15:40:24 <aphillip> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#unicode-bidi
15:40:51 <aphillip> 8) In section 2.2, the text says: "Because the Unicode algorithm has a  limit of 61 levels of embedding, care should be taken not to use ‘ unicode-bidi’ with a value other than ‘normal’ unless appropriate. In  particular, a value of ‘inherit’ should be used with extreme caution." The value "inherit" has not been mentioned above as valid for the  unicode-bidi property.
15:41:04 <aphillip> inherit is not explained anywhere
15:41:13 <aphillip> matial: ... explain it
15:42:33 <aphillip> chair: any objections to making these wg comments?
15:43:31 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables
15:43:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-03-16].
15:43:47 <aphillip> ACTION: matial: work with richard to draft bidi comments on writing-mode
15:43:47 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - matial
15:44:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:45:38 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode
15:45:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-03-16].
15:46:10 <matial> zakim, mute me
15:46:10 <Zakim> matial should now be muted
15:46:27 <aphillip> Topic: What Time is this Call At?
15:46:43 <David> unmute me
15:46:52 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:46:52 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:47:20 <aphillip> david: optimal slot seems to be 1500 UTC Wednesday
15:48:18 <David> http://doodle.com/b58wqx87g4hqgkbc
15:49:56 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: change time of teleconference to 1500 UTC
15:49:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Change time of teleconference to 1500 UTC [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-03-16].
15:50:43 <aphillip> next week: USA callers will be an hour later
15:50:54 <aphillip> ... and the rest of the world changes over time
15:51:02 <aphillip> (if they change at all)
15:51:33 <kennyluck> q+
15:51:55 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:53:39 <aphillip> Topic: polyglot
15:53:51 <David> zakim, mute me
15:53:51 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:53:54 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/1007-polyglot/
15:54:11 <aphillip> richard: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0067.html
15:54:33 <aphillip> richard: I think Leif's note is completely irrelevant
15:54:40 <r12a> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/html-xhtml-authoring-guide.html#language-attributes
15:55:36 <aphillip> here's the note:
15:55:37 <aphillip> Whenever the http-equiv="content-language" attribute on the <meta> element specifies the language of the root element, then it is required to specify the language mapping of the root element. According to Content language state in [HTML5], the http-equiv="content-language" attribute on the <meta> element specifices the language of the root element whenever its content attribute contains no more and no less than exactly one language tag. 
15:56:24 <aphillip> richard: should be the intersection of xml and html
15:57:02 <aphillip> ... reopened bug and discussion
15:57:15 <aphillip> addison: I support your interpretation
15:57:28 <fsasaki> +1
15:57:39 <David> +1
15:58:53 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:58:53 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:59:24 <aphillip> richard: will go through remaining comments and close the completed ones
15:59:52 <Zakim> -felix
16:00:01 <aphillip> richard: also closed some bidi comments
16:00:10 <aphillip> aharon: closed where?
16:00:14 <aphillip> richard: in our table
16:00:41 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:01:14 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
16:01:20 <Zakim> -kennyluck.a
16:01:21 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:01:23 <Zakim> -David
16:01:25 <Zakim> -aharon
16:01:29 <Zakim> -Richard
16:01:37 <Zakim> -matial
16:01:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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16:02:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were [Microsoft], Gwyneth, kennyluck, felix, Addison_Phillips, Richard, matial, Norbert, David, +972.7.474.6aaaa, aharon
16:02:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: send addison tools for conversion to HTML [1]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-irc#T15-24-18
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: finish edits and convert time zones document to HTL [2]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-irc#T15-24-31
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables [3]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-irc#T15-43-31
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: matial: work with richard to draft bidi comments on writing-mode [4]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-irc#T15-43-47
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode [5]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-irc#T15-45-38
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: change time of teleconference to 1500 UTC [6]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-i18n-irc#T15-49-56
16:03:23 <aphillip> trackbot, bye
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