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14:40:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:40:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:40:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
14:40:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:40:21 <trackbot> Date: 09 March 2011
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14:45:10 <fjh> trackbot-ng, start telecon
14:45:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:45:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:45:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:45:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:45:17 <trackbot> Date: 09 March 2011
14:46:16 <darobin> trackbot-ng?
14:52:11 <dom> old reflexes die hard
14:53:31 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:53:35 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:53:52 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0027.html
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14:55:34 <jgiraud> Present+ jerome_giraud
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14:57:33 <cmarc> Present+ cecile_marc
14:57:49 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:57:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), fjh
14:58:19 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:58:26 <Zakim> +??P12
14:58:28 <fjh> zakim, ? is me
14:58:28 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:59:41 <dom> Zakim, code?
14:59:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
15:00:19 <Zakim> +??P15
15:00:24 <dom> Zakim, ??P15 is me
15:00:24 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:00:32 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:00:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:55 <darobin> Zakim, IPCaller is me
15:00:55 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
15:01:16 <Zakim> +Laszlo_Gombos
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15:01:47 <Present> Hello~ Nice to meet you
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15:02:07 <darobin> Present: hi, who are you?
15:02:10 <Zakim> + +44.208.144.aaaa
15:02:12 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:13 <lgombos> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
15:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, dom, darobin, Laszlo_Gombos, +44.208.144.aaaa
15:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see nwidell, Present, cmarc, jgiraud, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, homata_, lgombos, dom, trackbot
15:02:23 <richt> richt has joined #dap
15:02:32 <fjh> zakim, who is your mother?
15:02:39 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
15:02:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, fjh.
15:02:43 <dom> Zakim, who's your daddy?
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15:02:57 <Zakim> Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, dom
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15:03:24 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
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15:03:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, dom, darobin, Laszlo_Gombos, +44.208.144.aaaa
15:03:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, richt, nwidell, cmarc, jgiraud, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, homata_, lgombos, dom, trackbot
15:04:02 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is richt
15:04:16 <Zakim> +richt; got it
15:04:28 <Zakim> +Niklas
15:04:30 <Zakim> +jmorris
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15:05:09 <nwidell> scribeNick: nwidell
15:05:14 <Zakim> +claes
15:05:23 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:05:26 <nwidell> topic: Administrative
15:05:27 <jmorris> Present+ John_Morris
15:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, dom, darobin, Laszlo_Gombos, richt, Niklas, jmorris, claes
15:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see jmorris, Gyubong_Oh, Claes, richt, nwidell, cmarc, jgiraud, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, homata_, lgombos, dom, trackbot
15:05:54 <fjh> Daylight savings time start
15:05:54 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Mar/0001.html
15:06:30 <fjh> W3C Workshop on Web Tracking and User Privacy
15:06:30 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2011/track-privacy/
15:06:51 <fjh> 2nd Last Call Working Draft Transition announcement of the Ontology for Media Resource 1.0
15:06:58 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0028.html
15:07:54 <fjh> Robin already commented on previous draft
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15:08:43 <nwidell> darobin some relationship with our work, may want to revisit API at later point
15:08:45 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aabb
15:08:46 <fjh> Content security policy
15:08:54 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0014.html
15:09:16 <bryan_sullivan> present+ bryan_sullivan
15:09:42 <nwidell> dom: it is an interesting proposal, but fairly different scope compared to DAP
15:09:45 <fjh> dom notes security mechanism related to http headers, but different scope from dap, focus on cross-site scripting
15:09:55 <fjh> Universal control API
15:10:05 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0021.html
15:10:30 <Zakim> + +82.31.27.9.aacc
15:10:44 <nwidell> fjh: not quite sure what to do with proposal, 
15:11:16 <nwidell> richt: it would beneficial to have other players in DAP, nice to bring work in
15:11:38 <richt> nice to bring other industries in to a well-balanced discussion forum.
15:12:14 <Gyubong_Oh> Present+ Gyubong_Oh
15:12:25 <nwidell> darobin: They are interested, some quite interesting security issues, we should reach out to BBC about this, whould take it into chartering discussion
15:12:30 <fjh> Overview of W3C technologies for mobile Web applications
15:12:30 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Feb/0108.html
15:13:04 <nwidell> s/whould/should
15:13:06 <dom> Zakim, aacc is probably Gyubong_Oh
15:13:06 <Zakim> +Gyubong_Oh?; got it
15:13:09 <fjh> F2F is next week, no teleconference call, and no call following week.
15:13:43 <nwidell> TOPIC: Minutes approval
15:13:46 <fjh> Approve 23 February minutes
15:13:46 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Feb/att-0105/minutes-2011-02-23.html
15:14:08 <Gyubong_Oh> I am not famillar with IRC. probably, yes, I am
15:14:19 <nwidell> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 23 February 2011 approved
15:14:34 <nwidell> TOPIC: F2F Agenda
15:14:35 <fjh> Draft agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_15,_16,_18_March_2011,_Seoul 
15:16:15 <nwidell> darobin: Starting time (0900) ok?
15:16:29 <nwidell> fjh: good to have early start for people calling in. 
15:16:49 <darobin> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=9&month=3&year=2011&p1=235&p2=195&p3=43&p4=137
15:17:24 <dom> richt, if you could send your input re ACTION-343 before the F2F, it would be best for the charter discussions
15:17:36 <richt> I will provide that on the list
15:18:45 <dom> (5pm Seoul is 8am London, FWIW)
15:19:14 <dom> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=15&month=3&year=2011&p1=235&p2=195&p3=43&p4=137&iv=0 is a better link given daylight change in US on Sunday
15:19:35 <richt> yeah, dialling in from Europe is going to hurt.
15:19:36 <Zakim> -claes
15:20:08 <jmorris> fyi, 9am in Korea is midnight in London
15:20:26 <nwidell> fjh: might switch contacts and interop.
15:20:38 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aadd
15:20:43 <nwidell> richt: what about device?
15:20:52 <dom> ACTION-300?
15:20:52 <trackbot> ACTION-300 -- Claes Nilsson to start working on use cases and requirements for video/audio conference à la <device> element -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
15:20:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/300
15:22:06 <nwidell> fjh: please send comments on Agenda to public list
15:22:10 <Zakim> -jmorris
15:22:14 <fjh> Logistics information:  http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/SeoulF2F2011
15:22:44 <fjh> zakim reservation, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Mar/0000.html
15:23:25 <nwidell> TOPIC: Workshop 
15:23:29 <fjh> http://www.w3c.or.kr/DAP2011/
15:23:37 <richt> RE: F2F. I'm concerned on the timings for dialling in from Europe but not much we can do on that. Will see how it goes.
15:24:53 <nwidell> fjh: DAP members do not need to register for workshop, others do
15:25:03 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0006.html
15:25:24 <nwidell> TOPIC: June/July F2F
15:25:51 <nwidell> TOPIC: Charter
15:25:57 <fjh> Current charter, http://www.w3.org/2009/05/DeviceAPICharter.html
15:26:04 <fjh> Proposed charter, http://www.w3.org/2010/11/DeviceAPICharter.html
15:26:11 <fjh> Call out Sensor Specification separately from SysInfo (Dzung)
15:26:24 <fjh> Additional deliverables, Privacy Mechanisms, Feature Permissions
15:26:24 <fjh>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0016.html
15:26:33 <fjh> Audio volume API, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0023.html
15:26:41 <nwidell> fjh: Suggest to add sensor deliverable
15:27:21 <nwidell> fjh: Feature permission shoudl certainly be a group deliverable
15:28:16 <nwidell> ... we need to mention a Privacy deliverable in the charter
15:28:31 <darobin> +1
15:28:45 <nwidell> dom: The more concrete proposal we have the easier it is to discuss it
15:29:32 <nwidell> fjh: not sure how detailed how the text wrt privacy can be at this point
15:29:50 <nwidell> dom: Need to define at least rough scope.
15:30:04 <fjh> action: fjh to propose concrete text for privacy and feature permission for draft charter
15:30:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Propose concrete text for privacy and feature permission for draft charter [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2011-03-16].
15:30:35 <dom> ACTION-343?
15:30:35 <trackbot> ACTION-343 -- Richard Tibbett to propose better wording for System information and events api in new charter -- due 2011-03-02 -- OPEN
15:30:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/343
15:30:51 <nwidell> fjh: Sensors are also wide reaching, need to define scope
15:31:20 <nwidell> fjh: AR seems to fall outside sensors
15:32:06 <nwidell> s/fjh: AR seems to fall outside sensors//
15:32:16 <nwidell> TOPIC: APIs
15:32:18 <darobin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Mar/0015.html
15:32:23 <fjh> AR seems like it could be based on sensor work
15:32:27 <darobin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Mar/att-0001/microsoft-api-draft-final.html#capture_api_extensions
15:32:30 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:32:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:32:41 <nwidell> fjh, sorry 
15:32:49 <dom> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:32:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, dom, darobin, Laszlo_Gombos, richt, Niklas, +1.425.214.aabb, Gyubong_Oh?, +46.1.08.01.aadd
15:33:03 <fjh> s/fjh, sorry//
15:33:09 <dom> Zakim, aabb is probably bryan_sullivan
15:33:09 <Zakim> +bryan_sullivan?; got it
15:33:15 <nwidell> darobin: Microsoft provided some good indirect feedback on the Media Capture API
15:33:29 <fjh> Present- hi who_are_you?
15:33:39 <dom> Zakim, aadd is probably Claes
15:33:39 <Zakim> +Claes?; got it
15:33:45 <richt> q+ to ask if we should direct them to the <device> element instead of overloading the file input control (like we tried and failed to do).
15:33:52 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
15:34:01 <nwidell> darobin: includes some usage examples, and how to be used in code
15:34:11 <darobin> q?
15:34:14 <darobin> ack richt 
15:34:14 <Zakim> richt, you wanted to ask if we should direct them to the <device> element instead of overloading the file input control (like we tried and failed to do).
15:34:30 <fjh> s/old reflexes die hard//
15:34:54 <fjh> s/Hello~ Nice to meet you//
15:35:03 <fjh> s/trackbot-ng?//
15:35:26 <nwidell> richt: Two proposals (capture/device), streaming more related to device, should we point them there
15:35:32 <fjh> s/shoudl/should/
15:36:05 <nwidell> darobin: It is Microsoft's input to the incubator group
15:36:14 <fjh> s/define scope/define scope, AR might be based on sensor work
15:36:15 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
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15:36:28 <fjh> s/AR seems like it could be based on sensor work//
15:36:34 <nwidell> richt: The concept of speech apis is very important
15:36:50 <nwidell> ... we should try to avoid fragmentation
15:37:14 <nwidell> darobin: Microsoft's document was definitely feedback to DAP
15:37:20 <dom> note that we don't have any of the editors of the document on the call, unfortunately
15:38:28 <dom> ACTION: Laszlo to look at Microsoft feedback on Capture API
15:38:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Look at Microsoft feedback on Capture API [on Laszlo Gombos - due 2011-03-16].
15:38:58 <darobin> q?
15:39:04 <dom> ACTION-345: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Mar/att-0001/microsoft-api-draft-final.html#capture_api_extensions
15:39:04 <trackbot> ACTION-345 Look at Microsoft feedback on Capture API notes added
15:39:13 <nwidell> Laszlo: I can take on editor of Media Capture
15:39:21 <nwidell> TOPIC: Contacts
15:39:36 <richt> Updates to the Contacts API (cvs_log) http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html
15:39:42 <nwidell> darobin: Two topics, updates and search filters
15:39:43 <fjh> s/take on/be an/
15:40:24 <nwidell> richt: Updated spec in line with previous discussions on calls, list
15:40:29 <dom> q+ to ask about LC
15:40:41 <nwidell> ... feedback would be great.
15:40:43 <fjh> q+
15:40:53 <nwidell> darobin: Should try to have feedback before F2F
15:40:55 <darobin> ISSUE-106?
15:40:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-106 -- Does Contacts API having a timezone field make sense, should it be utfOffset or utcOffset and tz to better match vCard? -- open
15:40:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/106
15:41:22 <darobin> ack dom
15:41:22 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about LC
15:41:54 <nwidell> dom: Is the Time Zone issue solved? 
15:42:42 <dom> [re search Filter, I think we should be much more silent since search filters are meant as hints rather than as strict filters]
15:42:44 <fjh> should add comment to issue noting how it is resolved when closing it
15:43:38 <nwidell> richt: the current spec contains informative info about time zone, but it is a dual-purpose attibute,
15:43:46 <darobin> q?
15:43:50 <darobin> ack fjh 
15:44:17 <nwidell> fjh: Why remove search filters?
15:44:55 <nwidell> richt: filters don't add value to API, only to UI. The complexity of the search filter outweigh benefits
15:45:11 <dom> (I would actually favor not defining an algorithm for filtering, but not removing filters completely)
15:45:18 <darobin> +1 to dom
15:45:23 <fjh> q+ to ask about what happends to 4.2
15:45:25 <nwidell> ... search filters are hard, we can put it back later
15:45:34 <darobin> q+ to talk about CfC
15:45:48 <darobin> +1
15:46:36 <nwidell> dom: intent to keep the filter parameter for UA use, but scrap algorithm
15:46:53 <fjh> +1 to retaining feature, not sure how well defined it has to be
15:47:12 <nwidell> richt: scrapping algorithm might work
15:47:28 <fjh> Is the user interface is entirely optional, should it be?
15:47:42 <nwidell> dom: We often provide hooks for UAs, but not ull functionality
15:47:47 <fjh> s/Is the user interrface/are the user interaction guidelines/
15:47:58 <dom> s/scrap algorithm/scrap filtering algorithm/
15:48:02 <fjh> s/Is the user interface/are the user interaction guidelines/
15:48:24 <nwidell> darobin: One advantage of having search filter present, then in trusted environments searches can be made more efficiently
15:48:41 <darobin> RESOLUTION: Keep the search filter parameter, but simplify the feature
15:48:44 <darobin> ack fjh 
15:48:44 <Zakim> fjh, you wanted to ask about what happends to 4.2
15:49:08 <darobin> ack me
15:49:08 <Zakim> darobin, you wanted to talk about CfC
15:49:21 <fjh> s/scrapping algorithm/scrap filtering algorithm/
15:49:50 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:49:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:50:04 <nwidell> darobin: Wait with CfC until updates made
15:50:12 <Zakim> -Claes?
15:50:34 <nwidell> TOPIC: Sys Info
15:51:00 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aaee - is perhaps Claes?
15:51:07 <dom> Zakim, aaee is Claes
15:51:07 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
15:51:25 <darobin> Zakim, Claes is indeed Claes
15:51:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Claes is indeed Claes', darobin
15:51:27 <fjh> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:51:30 <darobin> Zakim, Claes? is Claes
15:51:30 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
15:51:41 <nwidell> darobin: FOld the current discussion into charter discussion?
15:51:44 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:51:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, dom, darobin, Laszlo_Gombos, richt, Niklas, bryan_sullivan?, Gyubong_Oh?, Claes
15:51:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see cmarc, bryan_sullivan, Gyubong_Oh, Claes, richt, nwidell, jgiraud, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ingmar, ilkka, homata_, lgombos, dom, trackbot
15:51:49 <fjh> s/FOld/Fold/
15:51:57 <nwidell> dom: better to keep progress on current work
15:52:15 <nwidell> darobin: Proposals?
15:52:21 <fjh> Present+ Cecile_Marc
15:53:00 <fjh> Present+ Jerome_Giraud
15:53:33 <nwidell> darobin: might want to split work into safe/simple parts and complex/extensible parts
15:53:33 <fjh> Present- Cecile_Marc
15:53:40 <fjh> Present- Jerome_Giraud
15:54:21 <fjh> q+
15:54:34 <darobin> +1 for people coming up with concrete proposals
15:55:02 <darobin> ack fjh 
15:55:45 <nwidell> fjh: wasn't idea to keep sysinfo, but pull out sensors to separate generic FW api
15:56:11 <nwidell> dom: we need concrete proposals
15:56:37 <darobin> +1
15:56:42 <darobin> [let's do battery]
15:56:46 <nwidell> richt: If we expose only a tiny amount of device information we have actually succeeded
15:56:55 <dom> +1 to start with simple and do it well :)
15:56:57 <fjh> section 4 of sysinfo outlines various aspects that could be treated separately
15:57:19 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to propose a sweet and simple battery API
15:57:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Propose a sweet and simple battery API [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-03-16].
15:58:32 <nwidell> Laszlo: look at availability of sys info in android may be a good starting point
15:58:58 <darobin> ACTION: Laszlo to come up with some examples and rough ideas for simple sysinfo APIs at the f2f
15:58:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Come up with some examples and rough ideas for simple sysinfo APIs at the f2f [on Laszlo Gombos - due 2011-03-16].
15:59:14 <nwidell> TOPIC: Messaging
15:59:49 <nwidell> darobin: Use Messaging based on URI schemes
16:00:31 <nwidell> richt: My proposal was to expose messagin though libraries, URI schemes client/server interaction etc, no specific API
16:00:45 <nwidell> ... it is an API that does not need to be an API
16:01:26 <nwidell> ... not convinced by the existing additions (callbacks, attachments)
16:01:49 <nwidell> darobin: But Apple's Messaging API (simple)
16:02:08 <nwidell> dom: Can't discuss it
16:02:53 <nwidell> dom: relying on client server will not work with SMS/MMS
16:03:56 <nwidell> richt: is there enough incentive with callbacks/attachments to have separate API
16:04:36 <nwidell> darobin: can we create dead simple API (e.g. only adding attachments)?
16:04:42 <darobin> [the hidden problem no one has raised is how the heck the browser gets to know the user's email configuration...]
16:05:41 <nwidell> richt: extend URIs with extra parameters for attachments
16:05:47 <dom> [darobin, you wouldn't need it with our current API]
16:05:58 <darobin> <form target="mmsto:+33681754541"><textarea>...</textarea><input type=file multiple/></form>
16:06:21 <nwidell> dom: doing attachments is unlikely
16:06:28 <darobin> [dom, how are you going to send something as robin@berjon.com without knowing my server's password? use open relays?]
16:07:04 <dom> [throuhg my MUA]
16:07:29 <dom> s/doing attachments/doing attachments through URI schemes/
16:07:30 <darobin> navigator.sendMessage("mailto:foo@bar.com", [blob1, blob2, blob3], errorCB)
16:07:34 <dom> right
16:07:46 <darobin> [dom, right, but I'm not sure how to communicate attachments to my MUA]
16:08:04 <dom> [well, using your local IPC system, I would assume]
16:08:24 <nwidell> richt: Implementor support is very important
16:08:51 <nwidell> dom: but the problem has been to get that implementor feedback
16:10:27 <darobin> [we want a more fleshed out proposal, then get feedback]
16:10:34 <nwidell> dom: we probably have a start to a new proposal
16:11:04 <darobin> +1
16:11:09 <nwidell> ... should aim for something more "webby"
16:11:25 <dom> ACTION: Dom to send concrete proposal for navigator.sendMessage with URI scheme
16:11:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-348 - Send concrete proposal for navigator.sendMessage with URI scheme [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2011-03-16].
16:12:15 <darobin> ACTION-341?
16:12:15 <trackbot> ACTION-341 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to reserve zakim line for f2f -- due 2011-03-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:12:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/341
16:12:27 <darobin> ACTION-322?
16:12:27 <trackbot> ACTION-322 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on ECMA TC-39 coordination -- due 2011-01-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:12:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/322
16:12:38 <darobin> ACTION-335?
16:12:38 <trackbot> ACTION-335 -- Frederick Hirsch to propose charter changes related to security and privacy deliverables -- due 2011-02-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:12:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/335
16:13:22 <nwidell> TOPIC: Outstanding actions
16:13:52 <dom> ISSUE-81?
16:13:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- How to represent dates? ES has Date but with no TZ information; using strings is less than ideal; do we have to create a Web Dates specification? -- open
16:13:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/81
16:15:04 <dom> ACTION-297?
16:15:04 <trackbot> ACTION-297 -- Robin Berjon to draft up TZDate -- due 2010-11-11 -- OPEN
16:15:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/297
16:15:17 <fjh> open action list, http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/open
16:15:19 <nwidell> richt: Would be great if javascript had a Calendar object (timezonedate)
16:15:31 <richt> similar to Java Calendar class
16:15:46 <fjh> q+ to ask about actions
16:17:00 <richt> can we form a mob or a line ?
16:18:20 <fjh> q-
16:19:01 <fjh> Please review the open actions list, note any actions that should be  closed and try to complete actions, preferably before the F2F if feasible
16:19:06 <Zakim> -bryan_sullivan?
16:19:09 <Zakim> -dom
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16:19:15 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:19:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-dap-minutes.html fjh
16:19:16 <Zakim> -Niklas
16:19:18 <Zakim> -darobin
16:19:18 <Zakim> -Laszlo_Gombos
16:19:19 <Zakim> -Claes
16:19:20 <Zakim> -fjh
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16:20:00 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
16:20:02 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, dom, darobin, Laszlo_Gombos, +44.208.144.aaaa, richt, Niklas, jmorris, claes, +1.425.214.aabb, +82.31.27.9.aacc, Gyubong_Oh?, +46.1.08.01.aadd, bryan_sullivan?,
16:20:05 <Zakim> ... +46.1.08.01.aaee
16:24:06 <fjh> Regrets+ Thomas_Roessler
16:25:14 <fjh> s/throuhg/through/
16:25:40 <fjh> s/can we form a mob or a line ?//
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16:27:40 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:27:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/09-dap-minutes.html fjh
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