IRC log of soap-jms on 2011-03-08

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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 March 2011
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Zakim, aabb is eric
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+eric; got it
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Regrets: Phil
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Topic: Appointment of the scribe
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Scribe: Mark
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Chair: Eric
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Topic: Approval of prior meeting minutes
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No objections to approving the minutes
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Topic: Review the agenda
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Agenda approved as-is
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Topic: Administrative items
17:06:05 [mphillip]
We will defer the question of skipping next week's call until the end
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Daylight saving starts in the US next week
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(Check the link )
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Topic Action Items
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Eric: action-244 - CXF *does* support WSDL
17:08:06 [mphillip]
Eric: ( judging by the samples they have)
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Eric: (which use the extension elements)
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Eric: Will email the CXF list to confirm
17:10:43 [mphillip]
Eric: action-245 - Yves was initally negative, but t hat might be down to a misunderstanding... Eric is clarifying
17:12:09 [mphillip]
Derek: action-222 - QA dept. will look at this later in April. They had some reservations about using CXF - would prefer to test with another vendor's product
17:14:10 [mphillip]
Eric: TIBCO can sympathise - customers may prefer to see interoperability with a commercial product - bu tthen Progress's implementation is likely to be based on CXF
17:20:36 [mphillip]
Eric: Problems are likely to be logistic and bureaucratic
17:21:06 [mphillip]
Topic: Moving to PR (via CR? & LC)
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Format of implementation compliance report
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17:27:08 [mphillip]
Mark: Gives overview of test report format
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Eric: Tempted by XML and a stylesheet but don't want to over-engineer
17:28:34 [mphillip]
action mark to produce a complete vesion of the test results template
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Created ACTION-246 - Produce a complete vesion of the test results template [on Mark Phillips - due 2011-03-15].
17:30:10 [mphillip]
Eric: Doesn't need to be super-formal - but it gives us a template to follow
17:31:30 [mphillip]
Eric: Once we have a template we should circle back to CXF to ask them if they'd submit a version (Eric can have a first stab at this)
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Eric: Main use for these documents would be as evidence of implementations to the W3C
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Matthew: Some observations about the test suite...
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Matthew: It's not always clear about the criteria for determining pass/fail
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Matthew: For example, no complete WSDL documents
17:35:32 [mphillip]
Matthew: Are the messages rough examples, or the precise message which must be sent received.... what if the ordering is different or additional elements are present
17:36:23 [mphillip]
Eric: Don't want to overwork this, but if there are specific examples then please submit them
17:37:17 [mphillip]
Matthew: OK, as IBM develops tests, WSDL will be developed... Could give that WSDL back to the test suite
17:38:17 [mphillip]
Eric: We're not looking to test the SOAP, just the SOAP/JMS additions to the messages...
17:38:57 [mphillip]
Matthew: Will submit issues to the group if defects are found in the tests (e.g. possible defect in Testcase 9)
17:40:02 [mphillip]
Eric: Test changes have been following a slightly more lightweight process than spec. changes - we do not check the application of changes - so some defects may have crept in
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Topic: Specification Issues:
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Nothing new
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Topic: URI scheme
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Nothing new
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Topic: AOB:
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We will plan for a call next week - will be cancelled if nothing to say
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Attendees were alewis, Derek, +44.238.026.aaaa, +1.650.846.aabb, Mark, eric, mgolbyki
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