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16:12:25 <krisk> Ok lets get going again...
16:12:35 <krisk> We don't have any new bugs on the approved tests
16:13:30 <krisk> And note that philip taylor updated the security tests
16:15:04 <krisk> I'll move them to the approved folder
16:15:17 <krisk> you can see his changes at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/
16:16:22 <krisk> I sent out the email to the list with the 'patch' for the A/V (event parameter fix) tests
16:16:31 <krisk> Seems that we have consensus
16:17:54 <plh> Kris: I'll push the 3 recent set of changes from Philipp
16:17:59 <krisk> Actually if you look at the diff http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/0be07106838c
16:18:10 <krisk> you'll see that he updated the approved tests
16:18:37 <Ms2ger> He did?
16:18:51 <plh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/5bfdbef872e3
16:18:57 <plh> nope, he did not
16:19:02 <krisk> Ah - actually nope...
16:19:14 <krisk> he just updated teh path to in the submitted tests
16:20:29 <plh> Kris will push 0be07106838c to approved
16:21:14 <krisk> Now he has also updated the text in a number of tests and added a few new cases
16:21:26 <plh> 5bfdbef872e3 and fda9e1dafde7 need to be reviewed then
16:22:31 <krisk> for example http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/2d.drawImage.incomplete.reload.html
16:22:59 <krisk> Getting back to agenda item #2
16:23:07 <Ms2ger> I trust 5bfdbef872e3 to be good
16:24:19 <krisk> seems like we should ping Phillip and ask him if he is done and then move to getting feedback and approval
16:25:11 <krisk> So I sent out the email to the list with a March 22nd day for approving the google A/V tests
16:25:29 <krisk> ...are people OK with this date?
16:25:46 <krisk> It seems Opera is OK looking at the feedback..
16:26:19 <plh> did you apply all the changes you wanted to do for the google a/v tests?
16:26:20 <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
16:26:20 <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
16:26:39 <krisk> I only patched one case and sent out a pointer
16:26:59 <plh> looks like we got agreement on that one, didn't we?
16:27:03 <krisk> I didn't want to go patch a bunch and people complain...
16:27:31 <jgraham> hg revert is a wonderful thing :)
16:27:50 <krisk> Sounds like we have consensus
16:27:55 <Ms2ger> Go for it
16:27:59 <plh> +1
16:28:02 <jgraham> +!
16:28:09 <jgraham> er +1
16:28:43 <MikeSmith> +*
16:28:43 <krisk> Ok now the next item is the legal question about the HTML5Lib tests
16:29:59 <plh> hum, good question
16:29:59 <krisk> This seems like a question that needs to be answered by the w3c - Rigo?
16:30:11 <plh> it seems to me we should support the case
16:30:32 <krisk> Phl can you have him respond to the list?
16:30:48 <plh> who owns the html5lib tests?
16:31:04 <plh> is it Henri?
16:31:06 <Ms2ger> Their authors, I guess
16:31:09 <krisk> I'm not a lawyer - so I can't say if this is OK or Not OK
16:31:10 <jgraham> In waht sense?
16:31:22 <jgraham> In what sense "owns" I mean
16:31:30 <plh> who produced them?
16:31:43 <Ms2ger> Mozilla, Google, Opera, and various contributors
16:31:44 <jgraham> A bunch of people
16:32:20 <plh> ok, I'll need to ask Rigo for this
16:32:32 <jgraham> http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/source/browse/LICENSE has an incomplete list
16:33:02 <jgraham> (e.g. gsnedders is missing)
16:33:06 <gsnedders> My understanding is proided the license is a superset of the MIT license is fine
16:33:10 <gsnedders> *it is fine
16:33:11 <jgraham> (that is a bug in the file)
16:34:04 <jgraham> gsnedders: The problem is presumably not "would we violate the MIT license"
16:34:31 <krisk> It seems like this *could* happen...
16:34:49 <jgraham> But "is W3C happy to have a special license for some parts of the testsuite"
16:34:54 <MikeSmith> I think we you also want to have an record a explicit statement from each contributor saying that he/she agrees to the terms of the license
16:35:10 <krisk> it just seems that we have to just get the OK from Rigo and see what needs to be done
16:35:16 <jgraham> MikeSmith: Who wants to have that?
16:35:49 <MikeSmith> others who want to redistribute the code
16:36:05 <jgraham> MikeSmith: Isn't that the "relicense everything to W3C/BSD license" scenario?
16:36:13 <MikeSmith> dunno
16:36:22 <MikeSmith> but e.g., I have been asked in the past by Eclipse maintainers to provide that for other projects I worked on
16:36:26 <plh> imho, I think it would be fine to have those tests in. the whole goal of the w3c test suite licenses was to prevent individuals starting to make conformance claims with respect to a specification. if we have bits under mit license, there is no risk imo.
16:36:27 <jgraham> I'm not sure I am following what everyone is thinking
16:36:40 <plh> but again, I'll need to check with Rigo
16:36:51 <jgraham> plh: OK, if you can check that would be great
16:36:55 <krisk> PLH; It would also be good to know if we can change a test once it has been submitted
16:37:16 <plh> the mit license allows us to do that
16:37:21 <MikeSmith> yeah
16:37:22 <krisk> good
16:37:42 <jgraham> I would hope that we would make changes upstream 
16:37:48 <jgraham> and resync
16:37:54 <plh> yep
16:37:54 <MikeSmith> that would be ideal
16:37:59 <krisk> It would also seem to be good to know if this 'format' could be used for new tests as well
16:38:25 <plh> those are parser tests, a different kind of beast
16:38:42 <plh> so, I'm not sure if we need to propagate anything regarding the format
16:38:53 <jgraham> No, the format is highly specific
16:40:33 <krisk> sounds like then we have a plan to move forward
16:41:25 <krisk> Has anyone noticed any Hg issues?
16:42:51 <jgraham> Not really. I get some error message when I push that might be related to the test.w3.org move, but it seems harmless
16:43:16 <krisk> I see what looks like a locked? tmp file on the server?
16:43:46 <plh> I'm asking our system folks about that
16:43:58 <krisk> Thanks
16:44:06 <krisk> error == rm: cannot remove ‘/u/test.w3.org/html’: Permission denied
16:44:21 <krisk> Shall we adjourn?
16:44:25 <jgraham> Yes that's what I see
16:44:33 <Ms2ger> I noticed that w3c-test doesn't seem to update anymore
16:44:54 <jgraham> presumably a post-commit hook that didn't get updated for the new server
16:46:27 <krisk> Ms2ger do you have a specific example?
16:46:40 <krisk> If so please send it to the list
16:47:37 <Ms2ger> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/2d.drawImage.broken.html, for example
16:47:53 <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
16:47:53 <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
16:48:11 <Zakim> -Plh
16:48:12 <krisk> thanks 
16:48:13 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
16:48:17 <krisk> lets adjourn
16:48:21 <Zakim> -krisk
16:48:23 <Zakim> HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
16:48:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, krisk, MikeSmith