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16:01:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
16:01:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM already started
16:01:44 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
16:01:44 <trackbot> Date: 07 March 2011
16:01:56 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, [IPcaller], ??P40, ??P24
16:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, reto, melvster, mike, peterw, osacco, domel, gaedke, mischat, bblfish, webr3, MacTed, AlexPassant, danbri, trackbot
16:01:59 <Zakim> -??P24
16:02:03 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, [IPcaller], ??P40
16:02:05 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
16:02:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 93243 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MacTed
16:02:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, reto, melvster, mike, peterw, osacco, domel, gaedke, mischat, bblfish, webr3, MacTed, AlexPassant, danbri, trackbot
16:02:18 <mike> Mike Jones on phone and irc
16:02:19 <MacTed> (I'll be late by voice, if I make it)
16:02:23 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:02:33 <Zakim> + +41.44.500.aaaa
16:02:38 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:02:39 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
16:02:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, ??P40, +41.44.500.aaaa
16:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeffsayre, Zakim, RRSAgent, reto, melvster, mike, peterw, osacco, domel, gaedke, mischat, bblfish, webr3, MacTed, AlexPassant, danbri, trackbot
16:02:59 <Zakim> +??P6
16:03:04 <reto> Zakim, I'm  +41.44.500.aaaa
16:03:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I'm  +41.44.500.aaaa', reto
16:03:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:17 <melvster> me
16:03:23 <melvster> im the ip caller i think
16:03:41 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:03:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:47 <reto> Zakim, I am  +41.44.500.aaaa
16:03:47 <Zakim> +reto; got it
16:03:50 <gburel> gburel has joined #webid
16:03:57 <webr3> zakim, i am +[IPcaller]
16:03:57 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:04:00 <domel> zakim, I am ??P6
16:04:00 <Zakim> +domel; got it
16:04:01 <webr3> zakim, i am IPcaller
16:04:01 <Zakim> ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:04:06 <Zakim> +??P2
16:04:14 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:04:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, ??P40, reto, domel, [IPcaller], ??P2
16:04:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see gburel, jeffsayre, Zakim, RRSAgent, reto, melvster, mike, peterw, osacco, domel, gaedke, mischat, bblfish, webr3, MacTed, AlexPassant, danbri, trackbot
16:04:19 <melvster> zakim, +??P2 is me
16:04:19 <peterw> is the mike jones at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users the mike jones of microsoft?
16:04:20 <Zakim> sorry, melvster, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
16:04:30 <melvster> zakim, ??P2 is me
16:04:30 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
16:04:37 <bblfish> hi all
16:04:39 <mike> hi
16:04:49 <bblfish> who is scribing?
16:05:04 <mike> peterw, nope Mike Jones Manchester
16:05:09 <Zakim> +jeffsayre
16:05:11 <peterw> k thanks
16:05:59 <webr3> I'll scribe if nobody else wants to
16:06:16 <webr3> ScribeNick: webr3
16:06:21 <webr3> Scribe: Nathan Rixham
16:06:39 <webr3> Topic: Admin
16:07:11 <osacco> hi all
16:07:28 <jeffsayre> +1
16:07:29 <domel> +1
16:07:30 <melvster> +1
16:07:32 <Zakim> +??P12
16:07:33 <bblfish> +1
16:07:34 <reto> +1
16:07:37 <alexpassant_> alexpassant_ has joined #webid
16:07:44 <gaedke> ok
16:07:53 <bblfish> those were answers to the question if we could pass both previous meetings as keeping
16:08:16 <bblfish> the http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html
16:08:25 <webr3> Agreed to last two reports
16:08:42 <gaedke> zakim, who's here?
16:08:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, ??P40, reto, domel, [IPcaller], melvster, jeffsayre, ??P12
16:08:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see alexpassant_, gburel, jeffsayre, Zakim, RRSAgent, reto, melvster, mike, peterw, osacco, domel, gaedke, mischat, bblfish, webr3, AlexPassant, danbri, trackbot
16:08:49 <webr3> Zakim, who is making noise?
16:08:58 <Zakim> +gburel
16:09:00 <Zakim> webr3, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P12 (23%), bblfish (67%), ??P40 (5%)
16:09:32 <gaedke> zakim, who is making noise?
16:09:43 <Zakim> gaedke, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (9%), ??P40 (15%)
16:09:47 <Zakim> +AlexPassant
16:09:51 <webr3> Topic: introduction of any new members
16:09:53 <mike> I'm new
16:10:02 <gaedke> Zakim, ??P12 is gaedke
16:10:02 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
16:10:08 <webr3> bblfish: Mike Jones is new
16:10:27 <melvster> not the rapper i assume :)
16:10:34 <mike> :)
16:10:48 <webr3> ... mike works with bruno in manchester, bruno who was involved in foaf+ssl early days
16:11:19 <webr3> mike: we had some early work on how we might be able to integrate foaf+ssl in to our existing technologies, and did some demonstrations
16:11:32 <webr3> ... we have a report coming soon about the process
16:11:41 <MacTed> MacTed has joined #webid
16:11:53 <webr3> bblfish: so you were using webid with saml, which the uni's in the UK use?
16:12:25 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:12:32 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:12:32 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:12:33 <webr3> mike: we spotted a problem with some earlier projects that used different protocols, people had to be members of specific organizations
16:12:34 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:12:34 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:12:42 <webr3> ... webid let us decentralize that
16:13:05 <webr3> ... seeing how we can make dynamic organizations with webid, and try to apply to the grid space
16:13:17 <webr3> ... they already use certficate authentication to start with
16:13:26 <webr3> ... hence webid seemed a good fit
16:13:49 <webr3> bblfish: look forward to reading the report, we're looking to see how it (WebID) can tie in with SAML
16:14:25 <webr3> mike: word of caution to start with, we haven't delved in to the whole area of attributes in this respect
16:14:54 <webr3> ... we haven't followed though on the exciting potential of foaf and it's many attributes
16:15:05 <webr3> bblfish: it's good to have somewhere to start and some experience
16:15:25 <webr3> ... thanks for the great introduction
16:15:31 <webr3> ... anybody else new?
16:15:32 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:15:32 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:16:07 <webr3> MacTed: from openlink virtuoso (quick intro)
16:16:17 <webr3> s/from/I'm from/
16:17:23 <webr3> bblfish: we need guidance on what to solve next (solve/focus on)
16:17:43 <melvster> SWAT0
16:18:24 <webr3> MacTed: where things are at right now, so much has been in flux, for instance SWAT0 (thanks Melvin!), we need to nail things down in general to make progress
16:18:36 <alexpassant_> FYI - the FSW have a telco tomorrow
16:18:42 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:18:42 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:18:58 <webr3> bblfish: I think federated social web is an important related group, you may want to keep tabs or join
16:19:16 <webr3> Topic: Review of Meeting organisation
16:19:43 <bblfish> doodle http://doodle.com/ftz28bbt9quabyq8
16:20:04 <jeffsayre> http://www.w3c.org/2005/incubator/socialweb/
16:20:21 <webr3> bblfish: reviewing doodle poll of who can join a f2f
16:20:45 <MacTed> I think this may be the correct URL -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/
16:21:25 <alexpassant_> q+ 
16:21:28 <webr3> bblfish: another possible group may be berlin, 3rd-5th june
16:21:42 <webr3> s/group may/date may/
16:21:48 <domel> +1 for Berlin
16:21:52 <bblfish> +1
16:21:56 <gaedke> +1
16:21:56 <alexpassant_> +1
16:21:57 <mike> *checks calendar*
16:22:05 <webr3> ack alexpassant_
16:22:14 <jeffsayre> MacTed: yes, I grabbed the wrong bookmark. :)
16:22:46 <webr3> alexpassant_: I'll be there and can do the 3rd or 4th, some may be leaving on the 5th
16:23:08 <webr3> bblfish: can we have another telecon next week?
16:23:23 <reto> I can from june 4th onwards
16:23:45 <alexpassant_> my only concern is that semtech starts on the 5th, so would be nice to have the WebID meeting on 3 or 2nd
16:24:13 <jeffsayre> Semtech 2011 June 5 -9
16:24:22 <webr3> s/3rd or 4th/2nd or 3rd because of semtech on 5th to 9th/
16:24:30 <alexpassant_> will you be to semtech jeffsayre ?
16:24:59 <jeffsayre> alexpassant_: Trying to clear a scheduling conflict so that I can attend.
16:25:14 <webr3> bblfish: perhaps we can organize to meet in smaller groups, and double up with talking about webid at different conferences
16:25:45 <webr3> ... I am in london at start of april, if anybody wants to meet initially
16:25:57 <webr3> ... berlin meeting will be a good place too
16:26:28 <bblfish> action, bblfish to doodle berlin
16:26:32 <webr3> ACTION: bblfish to do a doodle for berlin
16:26:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Do a doodle for berlin [on Henry Story - due 2011-03-14].
16:27:07 <webr3> Topic: Deliverables, Review Issue 42
16:27:15 <webr3> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/42
16:27:30 <webr3> Topic: look at open actions
16:27:41 <bblfish>  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
16:28:06 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/9?
16:28:11 <bblfish> ACTION-9?
16:28:11 <trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Henry Story to explore test case options -- due 2011-02-21 -- OPEN
16:28:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/9
16:29:10 <melvster> tobyink was i think
16:29:25 <webr3> bblfish: found perl test cases weren't working
16:30:04 <bblfish> ACTION-11?
16:30:04 <trackbot> ACTION-11 -- Michael Hausenblas to propose F2F meeting -- due 2011-02-21 -- OPEN
16:30:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/11
16:30:05 <webr3> ... toby isn't here unfortuantely, so we'll leave it open till next week
16:30:16 <webr3> close action-11
16:30:16 <trackbot> ACTION-11 Propose F2F meeting closed
16:30:32 <gaedke> not completly
16:30:36 <gaedke> but will try
16:30:39 <bblfish> ACTION-13?
16:30:39 <trackbot> ACTION-13 -- Henry Story to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection -- due 2011-02-28 -- OPEN
16:30:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/13
16:30:39 <gaedke> with bria
16:30:45 <reto>  will try too
16:30:54 <webr3> bblfish: is anybody using sip yet?
16:31:09 <webr3> gaedke: ~ish, using a gate so still paying
16:31:16 <webr3> close action-13
16:31:16 <trackbot> ACTION-13 Check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection closed
16:31:22 <jeffsayre> I'm sipping tea. Does that count?
16:31:28 <bblfish> ACTION-14?
16:31:28 <trackbot> ACTION-14 -- Henry Story to add sequence diagram to spec via git -- due 2011-02-28 -- OPEN
16:31:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/14
16:32:10 <webr3> q+
16:32:37 <mischat> mischat has joined #webid
16:32:56 <webr3> [discussion on mercurial and git and where to store things related to the group]
16:33:41 <webr3> bblfish: we can clone and push and pull from many places to many places
16:34:23 <bblfish> here: http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/02/23/index-respec.html
16:34:23 <webr3> q-
16:34:50 <bblfish> q?
16:34:57 <webr3> bblfish: I've added a UML sequence diagram to a working spec
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16:35:34 <webr3> close action-14
16:35:34 <trackbot> ACTION-14 Add sequence diagram to spec via git closed
16:36:05 <webr3> bblfish: any views?
16:36:09 <Zakim> +??P28
16:36:31 <yngve> Zakim, ??P28 is yngve
16:36:31 <Zakim> +yngve; got it
16:36:39 <webr3> [nothing heard - not everyone has had a chance to review throughly, defer]
16:37:26 <jeffsayre> bblfish: How do we make suggestions, propose alterations to the spec? Is document group-editable?
16:37:59 <MacTed> changes to doc like this are hard to review when not presented side-by-side with highlights...
16:38:20 <jeffsayre> Okay, so mercurial would be best to see diffs.
16:38:30 <webr3> bblfish: to make suggestions of spec change, you can propose text on the list, or fork and edit the spec in rvc
16:39:06 <bblfish> this is the readme http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/file/eea7b8afca21/spec/README
16:39:42 <webr3> ... perhaps we should improve readme and put a how to on the wiki
16:40:15 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/15?
16:40:19 <bblfish> ACTION-15?
16:40:19 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Reto Bachmann-Gmür to start Architecture document in hg -- due 2011-02-28 -- OPEN
16:40:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/15
16:40:36 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/42
16:41:03 <webr3> reto: I have started an architecture document skeleton to mercurial
16:41:25 <webr3> ... on w3c mercurial, getting pointer
16:41:43 <bblfish> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/file/eea7b8afca21/spec/architecture-respec.html
16:42:11 <webr3> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/eea7b8afca21/spec/architecture-respec.html
16:42:56 <webr3> nathan: for dvcs you just click "raw" to see the raw spec (as in, in human readable html normal view)
16:43:04 <webr3> bblfish: ok, good
16:43:40 <webr3> close action-15
16:43:40 <trackbot> ACTION-15 Start Architecture document in hg closed
16:43:53 <webr3> bblfish: reto has finished the starting :)
16:44:26 <webr3> reto: hopefulyl everybody can start filling this out now
16:44:35 <webr3> s/hopefulyl/hopefully
16:44:36 <bblfish> ACTION-18
16:44:42 <webr3> close action-18
16:44:42 <trackbot> ACTION-18 Weekly Report: last two weekly reports, does something need to be done? closed
16:44:52 <jeffsayre> q+
16:45:03 <webr3> action-17?
16:45:03 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Jeff Sayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop -- due 2011-02-28 -- OPEN
16:45:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/17
16:45:31 <webr3> jeffsayre: i have about 3 pages put together tryign to merge in socialweb xg stories
16:45:39 <webr3> ... question is, where should i put this work, wiki or?
16:46:30 <webr3> ... this is a question we need in general, if it's document where do we put them?
16:46:53 <webr3> bblfish: mercurial for specs?
16:47:25 <MacTed> wiki is generally easier for non-dev types (like me ;-) )
16:47:38 <Zakim> -melvster
16:47:40 <mike> ...and for newcomers like me
16:48:02 <webr3> zakim, who is making noise?
16:48:12 <Zakim> webr3, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P40 (4%)
16:48:31 <reto> me
16:48:41 <webr3> zakim, ??P40 is reto
16:48:41 <Zakim> +reto; got it
16:49:02 <webr3> reto: if it's to be published documents, we should probably put them in dcvs
16:49:53 <alexpassant_> there's the first official telco tomorrow
16:50:47 <alexpassant_> q+
16:51:02 <webr3> ack alexpassant_
16:51:14 <alexpassant_> not yet 
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16:52:27 <webr3> ack jeffsayre
16:52:37 <jeffsayre> webr3: :)
16:52:47 <webr3> jeffsayre: I'll put on the wiki just now, and we can put in dcvs later if needed
16:53:41 <melvster> melvster has joined #webid
16:53:42 <webr3> ... nathan is goign to write a magic sync the web thingy to sync wiki and dcvs
16:53:49 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Foaf%2Bssl
16:53:50 <webr3> nathan: mmmnghh
16:53:59 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Foaf%2Bssl/FAQ
16:54:11 <Zakim> +??P1
16:54:20 <melvster> zakim, ??P1 is me
16:54:20 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
16:56:05 <bblfish> action, webr3 to find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks
16:56:07 <webr3> jeffsayre: can we see about extending the default action length of time?
16:56:26 <webr3> ACTION: nathan to find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks
16:56:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-03-14].
16:56:34 <jeffsayre> Okay, I'll send notice to the mailing list when I've uploaded to the wiki.
16:56:46 <webr3> thanks jeff
16:57:04 <webr3> action-16?
16:57:05 <trackbot> ACTION-16 -- Henry Story to look into us joining Identity Commons -- due 2011-02-28 -- OPEN
16:57:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/16
16:57:28 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-webid/2011Mar/0025.html
16:57:43 <webr3> issue-51?
16:57:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-51 -- Spec sets wgPatentURI to document related to RDFa WG -- raised
16:57:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/51
16:58:31 <bblfish> +1
16:58:39 <bblfish> on the fix
16:58:53 <webr3> bblfish.. can we accept changes proposed by stephane?  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-webid/2011Mar/0025.html
16:58:55 <webr3> +1
16:59:03 <domel> +1
16:59:52 <webr3> RESOLUTION: accept changes stephane proposes in relation to issue-51 (rough consensus)
17:00:16 <webr3> close issue-51
17:00:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-51 Spec sets wgPatentURI to document related to RDFa WG closed
17:00:21 <bblfish> ISSUE-36
17:00:26 <webr3> issue-36?
17:00:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-36 -- Change reference to RFC2818 to the html version -- raised
17:00:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/36
17:00:53 <domel> -1
17:00:57 <webr3> bblfish.. i prefer html to text, lets look at this next week
17:01:29 <jeffsayre> q+
17:01:53 <webr3> ack jeffsayre
17:02:04 <Zakim> -reto
17:02:16 <webr3> bblfish: another meeting enxt week, top of the our, a good social web telconf tomorrow, worth listening in
17:03:02 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
17:03:02 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:03:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been bblfish, PeterW, [IPcaller], +41.44.500.aaaa, reto, domel, melvster, jeffsayre, gburel, AlexPassant, gaedke, MacTed, yngve
17:03:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:03:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/07-webid-minutes.html trackbot
17:03:03 <webr3> top of the hour, good bye
17:03:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:03:04 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/07-webid-actions.rdf :
17:03:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish to do a doodle for berlin [1]
17:03:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/07-webid-irc#T16-26-32
17:03:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: nathan to find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks [2]
17:03:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/07-webid-irc#T16-56-26