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11:57:23 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
11:57:23 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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11:58:55 <jsderber> zakim, who's here?
11:58:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +676126aaaa
11:58:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, jsderber, trackbot
11:59:35 <jsderber> Meeting: Media Annotations WG
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12:04:38 <jsderber> zakim, who's here?
12:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +676126aaaa, wbailer, +34.91.336.aabb, ??P3
12:04:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, mcsuarez, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, jsderber, trackbot
12:04:50 <tmichel> can you hear me ?
12:04:53 <jsderber> no
12:05:14 <tmichel> yes I am calling with SIP
12:05:51 <jsderber> Can you hear us?
12:06:09 <tmichel> seems you can't hear me.
12:06:30 <tmichel> Yes we should discuss the the F2F in Sophia.
12:06:36 <tmichel> I will reconnect ...
12:06:41 <Zakim> -??P3
12:08:20 <Zakim> +??P3
12:09:03 <tmichel> yes I hear you 100%
12:09:17 <tmichel> seems the mic does not work ...
12:09:42 <tmichel> let me try to fix it
12:09:53 <tmichel> please proceed ...
12:10:32 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
12:10:43 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
12:11:04 <wbailer> present: joakim, mari-carmen, thierry, werner
12:11:18 <wbailer> next meeting: mar 8
12:11:22 <wbailer> topic: action items
12:12:01 <wbailer> close actio-302
12:12:10 <wbailer> close action-302
12:12:10 <trackbot> ACTION-302 Check out the consistency in the property names in the Ontology document's table closed
12:12:33 <wbailer> this is done by changes after F2F
12:13:20 <wbailer> actions 2404 and 2418 refer to ontology doc
12:13:47 <wbailer> regrets: felix, jean-pierre, florian
12:14:12 <tmichel> no objections
12:14:30 <wbailer> close action-334
12:14:30 <trackbot> ACTION-334 Check if comment 2404 is in the document closed
12:14:35 <wbailer> close action-343
12:14:35 <trackbot> ACTION-343 Check if comment 2418 is in the document closed
12:14:48 <wbailer> 360 is pending
12:15:08 <Zakim> -wbailer
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12:16:22 <jsderber> we wait for you to come back!
12:16:37 <tmichel> Is there anyone else using SIP today ?
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12:18:33 <jsderber> we can hear you, but there is a buzz 
12:18:46 <wbailer> status on 365: made changes to api doc to add references to html5 element
12:18:55 <wbailer> close action-365
12:18:56 <trackbot> ACTION-365 Respond to the email in the archive 2419, from Paul Cotton closed
12:19:42 <Zakim> +pchampin
12:20:36 <pchampin> +1
12:20:49 <wbailer> leave 402 and 403 open
12:21:09 <wbailer> on 403: add a more general statement that URI is to be returned whenever possible
12:21:18 <wbailer> present+ pierre-antoine
12:21:26 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
12:21:50 <wbailer> topic: lc2 for ontology document
12:22:01 <tmichel> Move to 2nd LAst for the Ontology draft
12:22:24 <tmichel> Resolution is to publish  the 2nd LAst for the Ontology draft
12:23:06 <wbailer> chair: joakim
12:23:22 <tmichel> read .. second Last Call ...
12:23:39 <wbailer> topic: revision of api doc
12:24:09 <wbailer> status see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Mar/0001.html
12:25:03 <jsderber> the plan is to have a draft ready before next telecon
12:25:48 <jsderber> There are three (new) issues that has to solved 
12:26:02 <jsderber> This will be discussed next meeting!
12:29:23 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
12:29:24 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted
12:36:32 <tmichel> schema could be an external file for validation ...
12:37:13 <wbailer> pchampin: put json schema in annex, in different format as examples to make clear
12:37:28 <wbailer> joakim: developers often prefer examples
12:37:44 <wbailer> topic: metadata files for rdf test suite
12:37:47 <tmichel> felix email
12:37:48 <tmichel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Feb/0092.html
12:37:52 <jsderber> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Feb/0090.html 
12:38:57 <jsderber> To answer the question from Felix, is it mandatory to have all mappings?
12:39:11 <jsderber> Werner: my strategy is to have as many as possible
12:39:21 <pchampin> mine too
12:39:30 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:39:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
12:40:15 <tmichel> l if you have an image you probably can not use video properties ...
12:40:40 <wbailer> pchampin: goal for ID3 was to have all properties as possible, might be more difficult for other formats
12:41:03 <pchampin> maybe we should aim at having for each format a small set of example covering the whole mapping table
12:41:27 <wbailer> thierry: was not sure what to answer, we should try to use as many properties as possible
12:41:45 <wbailer> ... not all properties might be useful together in one file
12:42:07 <wbailer> ... having a file with only 2-3 properties would not be right
12:43:04 <wbailer> pchampin: files should cover the whole mapping table, trying to achieve this with as few files as possible
12:43:42 <wbailer> ... otherwise mappings cannot be fully tested
12:43:49 <tmichel> should use a set of files to covert all the properties for each format
12:44:37 <wbailer> joakim: not possible to have all properties in one file, if properties are mutually exclusive for different media types
12:44:51 <jsderber> PA: most important is to have as realisitc exampples as possible
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12:45:09 <wbailer> ... several files are necessary to cover mapping table
12:45:28 <jsderber> I was kicked out, coming back...
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12:45:54 <wbailer> thierry: there are formats like dublin core that lack several properties
12:46:30 <wbailer> ... files should cover all properties, for which the corresponding mapping table defines a mapping
12:47:08 <pchampin> +1
12:47:09 <tmichel> I agree with PA. files should cover the mapping table properties that are appropriate
12:47:23 <tmichel> I will answer Felix
12:47:53 <wbailer> joakim: thierry to answer felix's question
12:48:08 <wbailer> thierry: table in wiki
12:48:09 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
12:48:36 <wbailer> ... needs to be more complex to cover several files for a format
12:49:05 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:49:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
12:49:18 <wbailer> ... have several lines per format
12:50:45 <wbailer> thierry: will ask silvia for example file again
12:51:04 <wbailer> ... apple will provide files, maybe they need help with rdf
12:51:34 <wbailer> pchampin: question regarding similar/related properties
12:51:48 <wbailer> ... as examples are going to be used in test cases
12:52:40 <wbailer> ... people would expect their implementations to produce the same RDF
12:53:12 <wbailer> ... but nothing is specified for related properties or values of subtypes
12:53:27 <wbailer> ... subtypes are on purpose unspecified
12:54:01 <wbailer> ... so other implementations might not exactly comply with these examples when implementations make other choices
12:54:30 <wbailer> ... makes automatic comparison against example files impossible
12:55:00 <pchampin> well, not impossible, but tricky
12:55:48 <wbailer> eg image, video) for all formats
12:56:35 <wbailer> s/eg/use the same set of examples /
12:57:55 <wbailer> thierry: use a few resources and then convert to different formats
12:58:25 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:58:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
12:59:45 <jsderber> yes
13:00:23 <wbailer> topic: next f2f
13:00:39 <wbailer> proposed: june 28-29, sophia, france
13:02:22 <Zakim> -pchampin
13:02:22 <wbailer> [adjourned]
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13:02:32 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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