IRC log of xproc on 2011-02-24

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14:47:39 [Norm]
Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 24 February 2011
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Meeting: 190
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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15:00:12 [Norm]
zakim, what's the passcode?
15:00:12 [Zakim]
sorry, Norm, I don't know what conference this is
15:00:52 [Norm]
zakim, this will be xproc
15:00:52 [Zakim]
ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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zakim, who's here?
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XML_PMWG()10:00AM has not yet started, Norm
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On IRC I see Vojtech, PGrosso, Zakim, RRSAgent, ht, Norm, Liam
15:02:31 [Norm]
zakim, who's here?
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XML_PMWG()10:00AM has not yet started, Norm
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On IRC I see Vojtech, PGrosso, Zakim, RRSAgent, ht, Norm, Liam
15:02:45 [Norm]
Yes, it bloody has, Zakim!
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If you want to slow your machine to a crawl, get a great big honking C++ app, change some file that everything depends on, and run make -j3
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Zakim, code?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.203.318.0479), MoZ
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Regrets: Henry
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Present: Norm, Paul, Vojtech, Alex
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Present: Norm, Paul, Vojtech, Alex, Mohamed
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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15:07:16 [alexmilowski]
huh ... rang and rang and then hung up on me
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15:07:25 [Norm]
alexmilowski, try again?
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 10 Mar 2011?
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No regrets heard
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Topic: XML processor profiles
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15:08:39 [alexmilowski]
(trying skype instead)
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Norm: I like it. It's a little confusing but that's not our fault.
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Vojtech: It seems to me that we have six classes (A, B, B', P, V, and X) and then a list of which information items exist and which classes they apply to.
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...But B and P are always used together so why can't we just merge them?
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...Also, if you look at the profiles, there are no conflicts.
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Norm: I think A, B, and B' are about what the profiles provide; P, V, and X are about the items provided by the underlying processor. I think it would be a category error to combine them.
15:12:17 [Norm]
Vojtech: Oh, ok.
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...If someone wanted to introduce a different profile, maybe they'd need the distinction.
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Alex: And it's a clear indication of where things could be simpler.
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Alex: If I had a particular processor and I wanted to see if I conformed, that would require merging states like V and P.
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Norm: They things you have to provide to conform are enumerated in the sections above. For example, 2.2 says your underlying processor has to provide P and X.
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Alex: None use V
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Norm: No, we don't have a profile that requires DTD validation, which I think is the right thing.
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Norm: Paul, I know you asked some folks from XML Core to review it carefully, but I don't think that's happened yet.
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Paul: That's right.
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Vojtech: I asked about the references property, but I guess that's still unresolved.
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Norm: No, under Attribute Information Item, I think that's resolved.
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Vojtech: Oh, ok, I see. Yes.
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Norm: Any other discussion?
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I propose that we give the Core folks a week or so to review. If something significant comes up, we'll hold off on publication. Otherwise, we republish this as a new Last Call WD sometime early in March.
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Norm: Any objections?
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None heard.
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Topic: Any other business?
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15:19:27 [Norm]
rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Norm
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