IRC log of wai-wcag on 2011-02-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 17 February 2011
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2011JanMar/0028.html
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- chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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- + +1.727.391.aaaa
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- +James_Nurthen
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- zakim, aaaa is Marc_Johlic
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- +Marc_Johlic; got it
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- +??P5
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- zakim, ??P5 is Adam_Solomon
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- +Adam_Solomon; got it
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- +David_MacDonald
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- -David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald
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- zakim, who is noisy?
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- + +1.650.214.aabb
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- w3c1, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Cooper (12%), Bruce_Bailey (56%), David_MacDonald (19%)
- 21:05:19 [MichaelC]
- zakim, aabb is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Marc_Johlic, James_Nurthen, Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Adam_Solomon, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:12:04 [David]
- topic: is WCAG a good home for HTML 5 techniques before the standard is settled... not for discussion today but to think about
- 21:13:22 [David]
- James recommended that we publish them with a note something like "these techniques are based on the current status of the standard and may change..."
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- +Tim_Boland
- 21:16:38 [MichaelC]
- zakim, mute Tim
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 21:21:44 [Loretta]
- Note: IT IS PREFERABLE FOR LINKS TO BE VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES, SINCE USERS NAVIGATING VIA THE KEYBOARD INCLUDE switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, screen magnification software users, screen reader users working with sighted colleagues, keyboard only users and those navigating using voice recognition software. HOWEVER, SUCCESS CRITERION 2.4.1 DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THEY BE VISIBLE WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE FOCUS, AND LINKS
- 21:25:20 [David]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/navigation-mechanisms-focus-visible.html
- 21:31:32 [David]
- Resolution: accept as proposed Issue LC-2456: Reword G1 'Description' and 'Note'. (This will make "Skip to Main" as a permanent visible link)
- 21:32:30 [David]
- Resolution accept as proposed: Issue LC-2469: SCR19 applies to SC 3.2.2 too
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- topic: Issue LC-2438: Test in G68 does not seem to fit
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- resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2438: Test in G68 does not seem to fit
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- topic: Issue LC-2427: F61: 24 hours?
- 21:45:25 [David]
- Resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2427: F61: 24 hours? (changed from 24 hours to 10x the default change of context time.
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- -Tim_Boland
- 21:49:45 [David]
- resolution: WCAG group accept with suggestions EOWG is proposing an update to WCAG 2 at a Glance.
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- topic: Issue LC-2466: Requirement for 200% text increase nearly impossible to meet in most cases
- 21:55:51 [MichaelC]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Post_WCAG_2#Techniques
- 21:56:42 [David]
- resolution: Accept as proposed:Issue LC-2466: Requirement for 200% text increase nearly impossible to meet in most cases
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- topic: Issue LC-2445: The test for the correct use of longdesc should be conditional on its application
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- resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2445: The test for the correct use of longdesc should be conditional on its application
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- topic: was before last topic... Issue LC-2443: The test should include a check whether the function to turn off blinking content is documented
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 22:03:17 [MichaelC]
- action: cooper to draft a section about testing techniques for the Introduction to Techniques, relates to comment 2445
- 22:03:17 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-125 - Draft a section about testing techniques for the Introduction to Techniques, relates to comment 2445 [on Michael Cooper - due 2011-02-24].
- 22:03:59 [David]
- ccept as amended Issue LC-2443: The test should include a check whether the function to turn off blinking content is documented
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- resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2443: The test should include a check whether the function to turn off blinking content is documented
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- reolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2447: Test whether all th Elements have scope attribute misleading
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- topic: Issue LC-2448: use of fieldset should not be required for any group of logically related input elements
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 22:10:32 [David]
- topic: Issue LC-2448: use of fieldset should not be required for any group of logically related input elements
- 22:12:22 [David]
- action: Loretta to reword H71 for comment LC2448
- 22:12:22 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-126 - Reword H71 for comment LC2448 [on Loretta Guarino Reid - due 2011-02-24].
- 22:13:08 [MichaelC]
- action-126: see comments in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20110127misc/results#x2448
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- ACTION-126 Reword H71 for comment LC2448 notes added
- 22:13:36 [David]
- topic: Issue LC-2457: H93 and H94 are out of place
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- Topic: Issue LC-2449: Test for percent is in itself not meaningful, should encompass %, em, font size names
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- 22:26:47 [MichaelC]
- zakim, aacc is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
- 22:28:55 [David]
- Resolution: accepted as amended Issue LC-2449: Test for percent is in itself not meaningful, should encompass %, em, font size names
- 22:29:20 [David]
- topic: Issue LC-2450: Test contradicts other options to meet SC 1.4.4
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- resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2450: Test contradicts other options to meet SC 1.4.4
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- Issue LC-2451: Check for CSS seems less useful than test for use of deprecated elements (e.g., font, center, strike, i, b, u)
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- topic:
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- topic: Issue LC-2451: Check for CSS seems less useful than test for use of deprecated elements (e.g., font, center, strike, i, b, u)
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 22:36:30 [David]
- resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2451: Check for CSS seems less useful than test for use of deprecated elements (e.g., font, center, strike, i, b, u)
- 22:37:06 [David]
- topic: Issue LC-2437: I think there is a failure missing
- 22:42:55 [David]
- action: on Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group...
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - on
- 22:43:25 [David]
- action: Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group..
- 22:43:25 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-127 - Look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group.. [on Adam Solomon - due 2011-02-24].
- 22:43:59 [David]
- Resolution: leave open 2437 pending adam's research
- 22:44:24 [David]
- Resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2459: Table heading in H63
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- topic: Issue LC-2433: SM6, SM7: SC 1.2.5
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- -Adam_Solomon
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- -Marc_Johlic
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -James_Nurthen
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been +1.727.391.aaaa, James_Nurthen, Michael_Cooper, Marc_Johlic, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Adam_Solomon, David_MacDonald,
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: cooper to draft a section about testing techniques for the Introduction to Techniques, relates to comment 2445 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-03-17
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- ACTION: Loretta to reword H71 for comment LC2448 [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-12-22
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- ACTION: on Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group... [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-42-55
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- ACTION: Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group.. [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-43-25
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- ... +1.650.214.aabb, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Tim_Boland, +1.617.584.aacc