20:57:25 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 20:57:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc 20:57:27 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:57:27 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 20:57:29 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 20:57:29 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 20:57:30 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 20:57:30 Date: 17 February 2011 20:57:48 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2011JanMar/0028.html 20:57:54 chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:59:17 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started 20:59:25 + +1.727.391.aaaa 20:59:58 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 21:00:00 +James_Nurthen 21:00:25 +Michael_Cooper 21:00:42 zakim, aaaa is Marc_Johlic 21:00:42 +Marc_Johlic; got it 21:00:52 +Bruce_Bailey 21:01:21 +Katie_Haritos-Shea 21:01:33 +??P5 21:01:43 zakim, ??P5 is Adam_Solomon 21:01:43 +Adam_Solomon; got it 21:02:54 +David_MacDonald 21:03:03 -David_MacDonald 21:03:22 w3c1 has joined #wai-wcag 21:04:01 +David_MacDonald 21:04:07 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 21:04:59 zakim, who is noisy? 21:05:04 + +1.650.214.aabb 21:05:12 w3c1, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Cooper (12%), Bruce_Bailey (56%), David_MacDonald (19%) 21:05:19 zakim, aabb is Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:05:19 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it 21:05:28 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:05:28 On the phone I see Marc_Johlic, James_Nurthen, Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Adam_Solomon, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:06:38 David has joined #wai-wcag 21:08:30 -Bruce_Bailey 21:08:47 +Bruce_Bailey 21:09:01 -Bruce_Bailey 21:09:19 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:09:24 +Bruce_Bailey 21:12:04 topic: is WCAG a good home for HTML 5 techniques before the standard is settled... not for discussion today but to think about 21:13:22 James recommended that we publish them with a note something like "these techniques are based on the current status of the standard and may change..." 21:16:04 +Tim_Boland 21:16:38 zakim, mute Tim 21:16:38 Tim_Boland should now be muted 21:21:44 Note: IT IS PREFERABLE FOR LINKS TO BE VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES, SINCE USERS NAVIGATING VIA THE KEYBOARD INCLUDE switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, screen magnification software users, screen reader users working with sighted colleagues, keyboard only users and those navigating using voice recognition software. HOWEVER, SUCCESS CRITERION 2.4.1 DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THEY BE VISIBLE WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE FOCUS, AND LINKS 21:25:20 http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/navigation-mechanisms-focus-visible.html 21:31:32 Resolution: accept as proposed Issue LC-2456: Reword G1 'Description' and 'Note'. (This will make "Skip to Main" as a permanent visible link) 21:32:30 Resolution accept as proposed: Issue LC-2469: SCR19 applies to SC 3.2.2 too 21:33:05 topic: Issue LC-2438: Test in G68 does not seem to fit 21:39:37 resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2438: Test in G68 does not seem to fit 21:39:54 topic: Issue LC-2427: F61: 24 hours? 21:45:25 Resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2427: F61: 24 hours? (changed from 24 hours to 10x the default change of context time. 21:48:12 -Tim_Boland 21:49:45 resolution: WCAG group accept with suggestions EOWG is proposing an update to WCAG 2 at a Glance. 21:52:08 topic: Issue LC-2466: Requirement for 200% text increase nearly impossible to meet in most cases 21:55:51 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Post_WCAG_2#Techniques 21:56:42 resolution: Accept as proposed:Issue LC-2466: Requirement for 200% text increase nearly impossible to meet in most cases 21:57:01 topic: Issue LC-2445: The test for the correct use of longdesc should be conditional on its application 21:58:14 resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2445: The test for the correct use of longdesc should be conditional on its application 21:58:54 topic: was before last topic... Issue LC-2443: The test should include a check whether the function to turn off blinking content is documented 22:02:53 -Bruce_Bailey 22:03:17 action: cooper to draft a section about testing techniques for the Introduction to Techniques, relates to comment 2445 22:03:17 Created ACTION-125 - Draft a section about testing techniques for the Introduction to Techniques, relates to comment 2445 [on Michael Cooper - due 2011-02-24]. 22:03:59 ccept as amended Issue LC-2443: The test should include a check whether the function to turn off blinking content is documented 22:04:44 resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2443: The test should include a check whether the function to turn off blinking content is documented 22:05:15 reolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2447: Test whether all th Elements have scope attribute misleading 22:05:41 topic: Issue LC-2448: use of fieldset should not be required for any group of logically related input elements 22:09:56 +Bruce_Bailey 22:10:32 topic: Issue LC-2448: use of fieldset should not be required for any group of logically related input elements 22:12:22 action: Loretta to reword H71 for comment LC2448 22:12:22 Created ACTION-126 - Reword H71 for comment LC2448 [on Loretta Guarino Reid - due 2011-02-24]. 22:13:08 action-126: see comments in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20110127misc/results#x2448 22:13:08 ACTION-126 Reword H71 for comment LC2448 notes added 22:13:36 topic: Issue LC-2457: H93 and H94 are out of place 22:22:21 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 22:22:22 Topic: Issue LC-2449: Test for percent is in itself not meaningful, should encompass %, em, font size names 22:26:20 + +1.617.584.aacc 22:26:47 zakim, aacc is Andrew_Kirkpatrick 22:26:47 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it 22:28:55 Resolution: accepted as amended Issue LC-2449: Test for percent is in itself not meaningful, should encompass %, em, font size names 22:29:20 topic: Issue LC-2450: Test contradicts other options to meet SC 1.4.4 22:29:55 resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2450: Test contradicts other options to meet SC 1.4.4 22:30:10 Issue LC-2451: Check for CSS seems less useful than test for use of deprecated elements (e.g., font, center, strike, i, b, u) 22:30:16 topic: 22:30:21 topic: Issue LC-2451: Check for CSS seems less useful than test for use of deprecated elements (e.g., font, center, strike, i, b, u) 22:33:47 -Bruce_Bailey 22:36:30 resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2451: Check for CSS seems less useful than test for use of deprecated elements (e.g., font, center, strike, i, b, u) 22:37:06 topic: Issue LC-2437: I think there is a failure missing 22:42:55 action: on Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group... 22:42:55 Sorry, couldn't find user - on 22:43:25 action: Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group.. 22:43:25 Created ACTION-127 - Look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group.. [on Adam Solomon - due 2011-02-24]. 22:43:59 Resolution: leave open 2437 pending adam's research 22:44:24 Resolution: accept as amended Issue LC-2459: Table heading in H63 22:44:46 topic: Issue LC-2433: SM6, SM7: SC 1.2.5 22:51:13 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 22:51:14 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 22:51:15 -Adam_Solomon 22:51:16 -Marc_Johlic 22:51:17 -Michael_Cooper 22:51:24 -James_Nurthen 22:51:29 w3c1 has left #wai-wcag 23:16:41 trackbot, end meeting 23:16:41 Zakim, list attendees 23:16:41 As of this point the attendees have been +1.727.391.aaaa, James_Nurthen, Michael_Cooper, Marc_Johlic, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Adam_Solomon, David_MacDonald, 23:16:42 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 23:16:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot 23:16:43 RRSAgent, bye 23:16:43 I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 23:16:43 ACTION: cooper to draft a section about testing techniques for the Introduction to Techniques, relates to comment 2445 [1] 23:16:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-03-17 23:16:43 ACTION: Loretta to reword H71 for comment LC2448 [2] 23:16:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-12-22 23:16:43 ACTION: on Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group... [3] 23:16:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-42-55 23:16:43 ACTION: Adam to look into the issue surrounding 2437 comment, and get back to the working group.. [4] 23:16:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-43-25 23:16:45 ... +1.650.214.aabb, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Tim_Boland, +1.617.584.aacc