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17:07:31 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ i.	Discuss feedback on the latest Navigation Timing 
17:07:40 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Review proposed test-cases 
17:08:02 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Web Perf SIG/Charter: Visibility API
17:08:14 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Discuss User Timings, Marks and Measures
17:08:23 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Updates on Resource Timing
17:08:31 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Any other business
17:08:52 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 6
17:09:01 <AndersonQuach> present+ ArvindJain
17:09:07 <AndersonQuach> present+ JasonWeber
17:09:11 <AndersonQuach> present+ NicJansma
17:09:15 <AndersonQuach> present+ Zhiheng
17:09:18 <AndersonQuach> present+ TonyG
17:09:20 <AndersonQuach> present+ AndersonQuach
17:09:24 <AndersonQuach> scribe: AndersonQuach
17:09:30 <AndersonQuach> meeting: Web Performance Working Group
17:09:38 <AndersonQuach> topic:Discuss feedback on the latest Navigation Timing" taken up  
17:11:17 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: There's ambiguity in the spec with the current definition of same-origin wrt to navigationStart and fetchStart.
17:11:37 <AndersonQuach> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2010Oct/0068.html
17:18:42 <AndersonQuach> present+ JamesSimonsen
17:19:17 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Want clarification on what to do with unload when the previous navigation is of a different from the current navigation.
17:20:48 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Are you making this more strict or less strict?
17:20:49 <zhihengw> page A ---> Page B ---> Page A
17:29:24 <AndersonQuach> JamesSimonsen: The definition in 4.2 is clearer in terms of the normative behavior of unload.
17:30:13 <Zakim> + +1.415.829.aacc
17:35:47 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Our concerns is exposing the unload events were correlated with the timestamp with the middle redirection in user-agents. I don't know if that's the case we can test this out with a network analyzer and in browsers like IE.
17:37:56 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Need to understand if unload events can be correlated to any time stamp that is zeroed out like redirects.
17:41:42 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: We'll get back to the mailing list as to the behavior of unload later today.
17:42:01 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 8
17:42:09 <AndersonQuach> topic: Web Perf SIG/Charter: Visibility API
17:42:29 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: I want to get a sense for the Visibility API for the Web Performance Working Group.
17:42:49 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: We're supportive of adding this API to the Web Perf charter to standardize this.
17:43:11 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: From our reserach, this is a larger problem and domain beyond Web Perf.
17:44:06 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: We're seeing this related to CPU consumption of foreground and background tabs, as it relates to painting, animation and thread/application activity to conserve power.
17:44:13 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: Sounds like a great idea.
17:44:49 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: We should discuss what we want to include in that charter expansion and start the re-chartering.
17:44:56 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: Makes sense, let's do that.
17:45:21 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: We'll let folks to respond on the mailing thread and go from there.
17:45:32 <AndersonQuach> topic: Web Perf SIG/Charter: Visibility API
17:45:46 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: Can you invite other user-agents to discuss this area?
17:45:51 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: I'll reach out.
17:46:09 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: Do you want to schedule separate time to discuss the re-charter?
17:46:32 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: I'm okay with extending the call from 9-10 for Nav Timing and 10-11 for the re-chartering.
17:47:01 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: Let's do it the other way around, 9-10 for the re-chartering and 10-11 for Nav Timing.
17:48:06 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Do we want to cover efficient JavaScript animations like mozRequestAnimationFrame?
17:48:12 <AndersonQuach> JasonWeber: Sounds good.
17:49:21 <AndersonQuach> ArvindJain: Sounds good.
17:49:44 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: I'd love to work towards getting traction on approval of the test cases and go over the feedback on user timing.
17:50:45 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: We had User Timings prototyped in the Beta and early Platform Previews of IE9. We did see the values of having measures.
17:52:23 <Zakim> - +1.650.214.aabb
17:52:25 <Zakim> - +1.650.253.aaaa
17:52:26 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:52:27 <Zakim> - +1.415.829.aacc
17:52:30 <Zakim> -??P20
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17:52:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.253.aaaa, [Microsoft], +1.650.214.aabb, +1.415.829.aacc
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20:38:34 <AndersonQuach> topic: Summary
20:38:38 <AndersonQuach> i. Clarification on what to do with the unload timestamps when a non-same origin redirection is encountered.
20:38:41 <AndersonQuach> ii. The WG will review the proposed tests for Navigation Timing.
20:38:46 <AndersonQuach> iii. On 2/15/2011 we'll expand the meeting to include a 1hr discussion on re-chartering to include APIs to help web-apps conserve battery and promote efficient painting. Followed by 10-11 to continue discussions on Navigation Timing and moving towards CR.
20:38:53 <AndersonQuach> vi. On 2/15/2011 10-11A PST we'll continue discussions on User Timing and Resource Timing.
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20:40:30 <AndersonQuach> Chair: JasonWeber
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