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14:50:53 <aphillip> zakim, this will be i18n
14:50:53 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:51:08 <r12a> trackbot, start meeting
14:51:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:51:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:51:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:51:13 <trackbot> Date: 16 February 2011
14:51:55 <r12a> ;-)
14:53:46 <aphillip> Chair:   Addison Phillips
14:53:54 <aphillip> Scribe:  Addison Phillips
14:54:00 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:54:07 <r12a> actually,  i wasn't sure i was going to remember it correctly, but i guess it's pretty intuitive
14:54:14 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Feb/0006.html
14:54:48 <aphillip> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:54:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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14:59:59 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
15:00:06 <Zakim> +??P9
15:00:10 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:00:13 <Zakim> -??P9
15:00:15 <Zakim> +??P9
15:00:30 <matial> zakim, p9 is matial
15:00:32 <Zakim> sorry, matial, I do not recognize a party named 'p9'
15:00:48 <matial> zakim, P9 is matial
15:00:48 <Zakim> sorry, matial, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
15:01:11 <Zakim> +??P13
15:01:15 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:24 <r12a> zakim, dial richard 
15:01:26 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:01:27 <matial> zakim, mute me
15:01:29 <Zakim> +Richard
15:01:32 <Zakim> matial should now be muted
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15:01:55 <Zakim> +David
15:03:47 <r12a> agenda?
15:04:05 <aphillip> agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Feb/0006.html
15:04:10 <aphillip> plus your two items
15:04:17 <r12a> thank you
15:04:33 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:05:11 <aphillip> (richard has two agenda+ items)
15:05:27 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:48 <aphillip> Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly
15:06:01 <aphillip> action is done "I hope"
15:06:01 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - is
15:06:29 <aphillip> 	Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments
15:07:06 <aphillip> 	Ask HTML5 WG about still open bug process
15:07:16 <aphillip> close ACTION-16
15:07:17 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Ask HTML5 WG about still open bug process closed
15:07:30 <aphillip> Fire up the time of this conference Doodle poll
15:07:33 <aphillip> close ACTION-17
15:07:33 <trackbot> ACTION-17 Fire up the time of this conference Doodle poll closed
15:07:42 <aphillip> david: please put your votes in
15:07:56 <aphillip> 	Forward reply on widgets P&C defaultlocale to webapps
15:08:04 <aphillip> close ACTION-18
15:08:04 <trackbot> ACTION-18 Forward reply on widgets P&C defaultlocale to webapps closed
15:08:15 <aphillip> 	Query HTML5 about issue 88
15:08:23 <aphillip> close ACTION-19
15:08:23 <trackbot> ACTION-19 Query HTML5 about issue 88 closed
15:08:40 <aphillip> Remind everyone to review Unicode in XML for approval next week (16 February)
15:08:44 <aphillip> close ACTION-20
15:08:45 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Remind everyone to review Unicode in XML for approval next week (16 February) closed
15:09:00 <aphillip> 	Review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place 
15:09:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:09:40 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:09:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:10:06 <kennyluck> q+
15:10:16 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
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15:10:24 <matial> zakim, unmute me
15:10:24 <Zakim> matial should no longer be muted
15:10:38 <aphillip> kennyluck: www-international@ conversation about adding $ to CSS
15:10:50 <aphillip> ... several comments about it
15:10:50 <Zakim> +??P19
15:11:03 <aphillip> ... problem is that some keyboard layouts don't have $ symbol
15:11:15 <Norbert> zakim, ??P19 is Norbert
15:11:15 <Zakim> +Norbert; got it
15:11:54 <aphillip> add topic to agenda for next week
15:12:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:12:37 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
15:13:10 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:13:20 <aphillip> Topic: HTML5 progress report
15:13:49 <aphillip>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0050.html
15:13:59 <aphillip>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0048.html
15:14:04 <David> zakim, mute me
15:14:04 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:15:27 <aphillip> html issue 88 is pending html chair decision
15:18:15 <aphillip> addison: explains call with paul
15:21:12 <aphillip> Topic: Bless changes to Language tags article
15:21:17 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/temp.php#extension
15:21:35 <aphillip> richard: sent item to list asking for comments
15:21:42 <aphillip> ... got some comments from Martin
15:22:56 <aphillip> gwyneth: like the first sentence
15:23:39 <kennyluck> [[If you feel you really need to use these subtags, you should read the specification, rather than this article.]]
15:23:48 <aphillip> chair: objections to publication?
15:24:25 <aphillip> action: richard: publish language tags article
15:24:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Publish language tags article [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-02-23].
15:25:00 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:25:00 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:25:38 <kennyluck> +1 the multicolor is a blit.... too shiny :)
15:25:42 <aphillip> david: colors might be difficult in terms of accessibility
15:25:50 <aphillip> s/blit/bit
15:26:12 <aphillip> Topic: Question about <meta name="language">
15:26:36 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Feb/0008.html
15:27:21 <aphillip> richard: how to deal with search information in the correct language
15:28:12 <aphillip> [1] search engines typically ignore language declarations these days,  and instead analyse the language of the page using their own algorithms.    (This does not negate the value of declaring the language of your  page, since that information can be used for purposes other than search  engine retrieval.)
15:28:22 <aphillip> [2] the articles cited above refer to the use of meta elements to  describe metadata about the language of the document.  There have been  discussions about the meta content-language element in the HTML5 Working  Group recently. A decision is still pending, but it seems likely that  that element will be removed from HTML5 (at which point we will rewrite  our advice). There is no clear alternative way of specifying  language-related metadata being proposed to 
15:33:54 <aphillip> norbert: mention lang attribute being used by screen readers (for example)
15:33:59 <aphillip> ... so it is useful
15:34:05 <aphillip> richard: may need to reinforce
15:34:28 <kennyluck> +1 to mention how lang is used by other UAs
15:34:32 <aphillip> ... that it is useful for some things
15:34:59 <aphillip> Topic: UTR#20 (Unicode in XML)
15:35:07 <aphillip>    http://www.w3.org/International/docs/unicode-xml/ 
15:36:28 <aphillip> only one substantive change
15:36:39 <aphillip> richard: moved comments to www-international
15:38:10 <aphillip> addison: need to address charmod-norm
15:39:28 <aphillip> richard: next step is go to Unicode Editorial committee
15:39:46 <aphillip> ... in the meantime we would look at substantive changes
15:40:02 <aphillip> ... some things not closed, e.g. <br> tag
15:41:39 <aphillip> addison: need to tell both unicode and the public that a revision is coming
15:45:00 <aphillip> norbert: mostly to update to unicode 6.0
15:45:08 <aphillip> ... a number of character tables
15:45:18 <aphillip> ... do these need to be updated? were they checked?
15:45:35 <aphillip> richard: weren't going to address now? 
15:45:49 <aphillip> norbert: would need to update lists with any new characters that fit
15:46:29 <aphillip> richard: put that to unicode edcom
15:46:45 <aphillip> ... let them decide if any characters should be "xml deprecated from birth"
15:47:25 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: propose advancement of UTR#20 to publication based on our revision and noting that we plan a substantive revision
15:47:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Propose advancement of UTR#20 to publication based on our revision and noting that we plan a substantive revision [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-02-23].
15:48:08 <aphillip> Topic: What Time is this Call At?
15:48:31 <aphillip> david: still missing some people's votes
15:49:07 <aphillip> currently 1500UTC on Wednesday is the leader
15:49:12 <aphillip> ... that would be the current time
15:49:49 <aphillip> http://doodle.com/b58wqx87g4hqgkbc
15:50:44 <aphillip> one more week to respond!!
15:52:22 <aphillip> nudge people not calling in because the time is inconvenient
15:52:51 <aphillip> Topic: Polyglot
15:53:09 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0040.html
15:54:41 <aphillip> Topic: Working with Time Zones progress
15:57:18 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:57:26 <matial> zakim, unmute me
15:57:26 <Zakim> matial should no longer be muted
15:57:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:57:53 <aphillip> matial: some comments on CSS3 writing-mode
15:59:05 <aphillip> addison: send them to public-i18n for consideration as WG comments
15:59:18 <aphillip> ... or send to www-style@ and www-international@ as personal comments
15:59:29 <aphillip> ... or send to www-international@ just for consideration
16:00:27 <aphillip> richard: also use public-i18n-bidi or public-i18n-cjk if appropriate
16:00:40 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:00:56 <aphillip> richard: remembered that...
16:01:04 <aphillip> ... comments to HTML5 on bidi
16:01:18 <aphillip> ... closed most but left open active ones
16:01:23 <aphillip> ... put in links
16:01:33 <aphillip> ... started creating new subsections in WG Note
16:01:40 <aphillip> ... summarizing what happened in the end
16:01:50 <aphillip> ... and in some cases for CSS also
16:01:52 <matial> zakim, mute me
16:01:52 <Zakim> matial should now be muted
16:02:08 <aphillip> richard: document currently called "bidi requirements for html5"
16:02:16 <aphillip> ... planning to add "... and CSS" to title
16:02:52 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
16:02:57 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:03:03 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:03:04 <Zakim> -David
16:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:06 <Zakim> -Richard
16:03:09 <Zakim> -kennyluck
16:03:11 <Zakim> -matial
16:03:12 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
16:03:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Addison_Phillips, matial, kennyluck, Richard, Gwyneth, David, Norbert
16:03:25 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:31 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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16:03:39 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish language tags article [1]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-irc#T15-24-25
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: propose advancement of UTR#20 to publication based on our revision and noting that we plan a substantive revision [2]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-irc#T15-47-25
16:03:45 <aphillip> trackbot, bye
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