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22:02:57 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
22:02:57 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
22:03:06 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
22:03:49 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
22:03:49 <janina> Chair:  Janina_Sajka
22:03:49 <janina> agenda: this
22:03:49 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe
22:03:49 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
22:03:50 <janina> agenda+ Issue-152 Multitrack API http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0079.html
22:03:52 <janina> agenda+ Poster
22:03:54 <janina> agenda+ Time Tracks & SYMPTE
22:03:56 <janina> agenda+ Other Business?
22:03:58 <janina> agenda+ be done
22:04:01 <janina>  
22:04:58 <JF> scribe: JF
22:05:20 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
22:05:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
22:05:28 <janina> zakim, close item 1
22:05:28 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
22:05:29 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:05:30 <Zakim> 2. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
22:05:31 <janina> zakim, next item
22:05:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
22:06:23 <JF> Janina: still not have had a chance to address Action 99
22:07:21 <janina> zakim, next item
22:07:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue-152 Multitrack API http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0079.html" taken up [from janina]
22:11:37 <JF> Silvia: concerned that we cannot reach any agreement in the next 2 days - worried about schedule slippage
22:25:16 <JF> Discussion on the various option in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Multitrack_Media_API
22:26:49 <judy_> judy_ has joined #html-a11y
22:27:01 <judy_> asks for a re-paste of link please
22:27:39 <judy_> s/asks for a re-paste of link please//
22:27:42 <judy_> q+
22:27:50 <JF> >	Discussion on the various option in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Multitrack_Media_API
22:29:02 <judy_> ack j
22:31:11 <judy_> zakim, who's here?
22:31:11 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM has not yet started, judy_
22:31:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see judy_, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, JF, silvia, MichaelC, richardschwerdtfe, trackbot, [tm]
22:33:22 <JF> (Concern about minuting and whether Zakim is capturing)
22:33:25 <janina> zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
22:33:25 <Zakim> ok, janina; that matches WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM
22:34:16 <JF> Silvia: we have not heard from Microsoft nor Mozilla
22:34:29 <JF> and Google isn't really active in the design phase
22:34:59 <JF> Janina: this is an importan issue for not only a11y, but also i18n
22:35:11 <JF> Silvia: for high-quality content producers as well
22:35:17 <JF> also the WebTV WG
22:35:44 <JF> many others have started to discuss this issue in other forums as well
22:36:08 <JF> really feels wrong to propose 3 or 4 CPs and then they might be trumped later by a better solution
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22:37:18 <JF> feels it is premature at this time
22:38:37 <JF> Silvia: not up to this group to come up with the technical solution given the size and overlap of this issue
22:40:24 <judy_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
22:40:49 <judy_> it is feb 23 not feb 21
22:41:05 <JF> - Feb 23, 2011 - every issue has at least one Change Proposal
22:41:07 <JF> Consequences of missing this date: issues will be closed without prejudice and marked POSTPONED; can be reconsidered during LC or for a later version of HTML.
22:42:08 <JF> +1 to Judy
22:42:42 <silvia> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0198.html <- Feb 21st on this issue
22:42:46 <JF> we have 7 possible change proposals, we should get them entered into the Issue queue so that we meet the stated deadline
22:46:26 <judy_> judy sees two different timelines at play -- seeing sylvia's note above, i think that the feb 21 day should be flexible by reasoned appeal, but there is a separate deadline for feb 23, that is not changeable.
22:47:18 <silvia> http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/1102-html-plh/#%284%29
22:47:34 <silvia> ^the timeline of the WG
22:48:01 <JF> judy: want to ensure that we have the best "package" by the 23 Feb.
22:50:34 <judy_> q+
22:54:20 <JF> [Discussion] concern about timelines and associate risk
22:55:38 <JF> Silvia: what has changed is that within the larger WG, many others have become involved in this discussion, and starting to realize the impact on their work
22:55:41 <JF> this is good
22:56:34 <JF> Janina: is it the same people, or is it new people getting involved
22:56:50 <JF> Silvia: a whole new group of people who have just realized how this will impact them
22:57:52 <judy_> q+ to wonder though what the implications are for addressing accessibility needs in html5 if this is moved to web and tv
22:57:57 <judy_> q?
22:59:40 <JF> Judy: if we move this to another group, we take it out of the advanced implementations of HTML5, and give it to an interest group (Web and TV) that has a timeline and horizon further out than what serves a11y issues
23:00:30 <JF> Judy: we should be realy convinced that the engineering to do multi-track well should be deferred to another group
23:01:31 <janina> ack j
23:01:31 <Zakim> judy_, you wanted to wonder though what the implications are for addressing accessibility needs in html5 if this is moved to web and tv
23:02:13 <Zakim> - +29374aaaa
23:02:27 <JF> Silvia: one way to look at this is that "Option 1" is needed (and requires JavaScript)
23:02:37 <JF> silvia, we seem to have lost you
23:04:58 <silvia> ups
23:05:48 <Zakim> +Silvia
23:07:47 <JF> Silvia: believes that Option 1 is the default solution, but concerned that if we propose other solutions, and the WG needs to pick one, concerned about the relationship with other WGs
23:08:49 <JF> Janina: believe we might be getting somewhere
23:09:09 <JF> perhaps we can determine with others if this is going to be problematic to them down the road
23:09:32 <JF> Silvia: not the easiest to implement, but the easiest to specify
23:10:14 <JF> actually one of the hardest to implement and is why the browsers are pushing back on it
23:14:24 <JF> Silvia: if we want 1 & 7, we need to ensure the JS API is the same
23:16:15 <JF> MPEG DASH file is being proposed for the Manifast file
23:16:30 <JF> we don't want more than one codec in each manifest file
23:16:35 <JF> for example
23:18:11 <judy_> q+
23:20:22 <JF> Judy: can we, by next week, develop a clear plan and a timeline for reaching something so that we can get it into the spec before lastCall
23:20:40 <JF> Silvia: likes the idea of setting up a road-map
23:21:03 <JF> Chairs have already said the wiki page needs to exploded out to 8 CPs
23:21:55 <judy_> q+ to rephrase as -- would it be possible to figure out by next week whether there might be any way to get to a single proposal before the first last call?
23:27:40 <JF> For next week we will work up some time lines for what we think it would take to specify multiple binary track support for HTML5
23:29:09 <JF> Janina: suggest that we move forward with a proposal,option 1, and then wait to see what others put forward
23:29:48 <JF> Judy: can we also try to confirm participation of others who should be on the call next week
23:30:05 <Zakim> -Silvia
23:47:38 <Zakim> -Judy
23:47:39 <JF> zakim, bye
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23:47:40 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Judy, John_Foliot, +29374aaaa, Silvia
23:47:52 <JF> rrrsagent, make minutes
23:48:11 <JF> rrsagent, make minutes
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