IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-02-16

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22:02:45 [RRSAgent]
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22:02:57 [janina]
zakim, this will be 2119
22:02:57 [Zakim]
ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
22:03:06 [janina]
rrsagent, make log public
22:03:49 [janina]
Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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Chair: Janina_Sajka
22:03:49 [janina]
agenda: this
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agenda+ Identify Scribe
22:03:49 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
22:03:50 [janina]
agenda+ Issue-152 Multitrack API http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0079.html
22:03:52 [janina]
agenda+ Poster
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agenda+ Time Tracks & SYMPTE
22:03:56 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business?
22:03:58 [janina]
agenda+ be done
22:04:01 [janina]
22:04:58 [JF]
scribe: JF
22:05:20 [janina]
zakim, take up item 1
22:05:20 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
22:05:28 [janina]
zakim, close item 1
22:05:28 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
22:05:29 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:05:30 [Zakim]
2. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
22:05:31 [janina]
zakim, next item
22:05:31 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
22:06:23 [JF]
Janina: still not have had a chance to address Action 99
22:07:21 [janina]
zakim, next item
22:07:21 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Issue-152 Multitrack API http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0079.html" taken up [from janina]
22:11:37 [JF]
Silvia: concerned that we cannot reach any agreement in the next 2 days - worried about schedule slippage
22:25:16 [JF]
Discussion on the various option in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Multitrack_Media_API
22:26:49 [judy_]
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22:27:01 [judy_]
asks for a re-paste of link please
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s/asks for a re-paste of link please//
22:27:42 [judy_]
q+
22:27:50 [JF]
>Discussion on the various option in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Multitrack_Media_API
22:29:02 [judy_]
ack j
22:31:11 [judy_]
zakim, who's here?
22:31:11 [Zakim]
WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM has not yet started, judy_
22:31:12 [Zakim]
On IRC I see judy_, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, JF, silvia, MichaelC, richardschwerdtfe, trackbot, [tm]
22:33:22 [JF]
(Concern about minuting and whether Zakim is capturing)
22:33:25 [janina]
zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
22:33:25 [Zakim]
ok, janina; that matches WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM
22:34:16 [JF]
Silvia: we have not heard from Microsoft nor Mozilla
22:34:29 [JF]
and Google isn't really active in the design phase
22:34:59 [JF]
Janina: this is an importan issue for not only a11y, but also i18n
22:35:11 [JF]
Silvia: for high-quality content producers as well
22:35:17 [JF]
also the WebTV WG
22:35:44 [JF]
many others have started to discuss this issue in other forums as well
22:36:08 [JF]
really feels wrong to propose 3 or 4 CPs and then they might be trumped later by a better solution
22:36:48 [MikeSmith]
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22:37:18 [JF]
feels it is premature at this time
22:38:37 [JF]
Silvia: not up to this group to come up with the technical solution given the size and overlap of this issue
22:40:24 [judy_]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
22:40:49 [judy_]
it is feb 23 not feb 21
22:41:05 [JF]
- Feb 23, 2011 - every issue has at least one Change Proposal
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Consequences of missing this date: issues will be closed without prejudice and marked POSTPONED; can be reconsidered during LC or for a later version of HTML.
22:42:08 [JF]
+1 to Judy
22:42:42 [silvia]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0198.html <- Feb 21st on this issue
22:42:46 [JF]
we have 7 possible change proposals, we should get them entered into the Issue queue so that we meet the stated deadline
22:46:26 [judy_]
judy sees two different timelines at play -- seeing sylvia's note above, i think that the feb 21 day should be flexible by reasoned appeal, but there is a separate deadline for feb 23, that is not changeable.
22:47:18 [silvia]
http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/1102-html-plh/#%284%29
22:47:34 [silvia]
^the timeline of the WG
22:48:01 [JF]
judy: want to ensure that we have the best "package" by the 23 Feb.
22:50:34 [judy_]
q+
22:54:20 [JF]
[Discussion] concern about timelines and associate risk
22:55:38 [JF]
Silvia: what has changed is that within the larger WG, many others have become involved in this discussion, and starting to realize the impact on their work
22:55:41 [JF]
this is good
22:56:34 [JF]
Janina: is it the same people, or is it new people getting involved
22:56:50 [JF]
Silvia: a whole new group of people who have just realized how this will impact them
22:57:52 [judy_]
q+ to wonder though what the implications are for addressing accessibility needs in html5 if this is moved to web and tv
22:57:57 [judy_]
q?
22:59:40 [JF]
Judy: if we move this to another group, we take it out of the advanced implementations of HTML5, and give it to an interest group (Web and TV) that has a timeline and horizon further out than what serves a11y issues
23:00:30 [JF]
Judy: we should be realy convinced that the engineering to do multi-track well should be deferred to another group
23:01:31 [janina]
ack j
23:01:31 [Zakim]
judy_, you wanted to wonder though what the implications are for addressing accessibility needs in html5 if this is moved to web and tv
23:02:13 [Zakim]
- +29374aaaa
23:02:27 [JF]
Silvia: one way to look at this is that "Option 1" is needed (and requires JavaScript)
23:02:37 [JF]
silvia, we seem to have lost you
23:04:58 [silvia]
ups
23:05:48 [Zakim]
+Silvia
23:07:47 [JF]
Silvia: believes that Option 1 is the default solution, but concerned that if we propose other solutions, and the WG needs to pick one, concerned about the relationship with other WGs
23:08:49 [JF]
Janina: believe we might be getting somewhere
23:09:09 [JF]
perhaps we can determine with others if this is going to be problematic to them down the road
23:09:32 [JF]
Silvia: not the easiest to implement, but the easiest to specify
23:10:14 [JF]
actually one of the hardest to implement and is why the browsers are pushing back on it
23:14:24 [JF]
Silvia: if we want 1 & 7, we need to ensure the JS API is the same
23:16:15 [JF]
MPEG DASH file is being proposed for the Manifast file
23:16:30 [JF]
we don't want more than one codec in each manifest file
23:16:35 [JF]
for example
23:18:11 [judy_]
q+
23:20:22 [JF]
Judy: can we, by next week, develop a clear plan and a timeline for reaching something so that we can get it into the spec before lastCall
23:20:40 [JF]
Silvia: likes the idea of setting up a road-map
23:21:03 [JF]
Chairs have already said the wiki page needs to exploded out to 8 CPs
23:21:55 [judy_]
q+ to rephrase as -- would it be possible to figure out by next week whether there might be any way to get to a single proposal before the first last call?
23:27:40 [JF]
For next week we will work up some time lines for what we think it would take to specify multiple binary track support for HTML5
23:29:09 [JF]
Janina: suggest that we move forward with a proposal,option 1, and then wait to see what others put forward
23:29:48 [JF]
Judy: can we also try to confirm participation of others who should be on the call next week
23:30:05 [Zakim]
-Silvia
23:47:38 [Zakim]
-Judy
23:47:39 [JF]
zakim, bye
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23:47:40 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Judy, John_Foliot, +29374aaaa, Silvia
23:47:52 [JF]
rrrsagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes
23:48:11 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-html-a11y-minutes.html JF