IRC log of ws-ra on 2011-02-15

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/15-ws-ra-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WSRA
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 February 2011
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17:01:32 [Bob]
yves, we need to set up an adhoc
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for how many people?
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4 so far
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as soon as I can crank it up. we are still waiting for folks to show up
17:02:08 [Yves]
and for how many hours?
17:02:12 [Bob]
about 6 connections should do
17:02:23 [Bob]
three and a half hours
17:03:21 [Zakim]
ok, Yves; conference Team_(ws-ra)17:03Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 210 minutes until 2033Z
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thanks
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conference is restricted at this time???
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dialing now
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Team_(ws-ra)17:03Z has now started
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+Tom_Rutt
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+[Oracle]
17:07:53 [asoldano]
is the usual pass code to be used?
17:08:00 [Bob]
use 26631
17:09:16 [asoldano]
thanks
17:09:35 [Bob]
congratulations, Yves
17:09:45 [Yves]
thanks :)
17:10:07 [Zakim]
+ +39.331.574.aaaa
17:10:32 [asoldano]
Zakim, aaaa is asoldano
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+asoldano; got it
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scribe: Ram
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(Dug until Ram is ready)
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Feb/0045.html
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q+
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q-
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will start a bit late tomorrow - ~9:15am PT to let some people take the cmwg call 7-9 PT
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Agenda agree to
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RESOLUTION: Agenda agreed to
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Topic: 11949
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11949
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new issue is accepted
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Dug explains issue
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Gil: might be over-constraining the event source - what's the interop issue
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?
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Dug:at least 3 diff ways the event source could go - we need to pick the right one
17:23:19 [gpilz]
s/Subscribe response/SubscribeResponse/
17:23:28 [Dug]
and it applies to Enum too
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RESOLUTION: resolved as proposed with Gil's edit change
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Topic: 11990
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11990
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Dug discusses issue
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Nathan: does empty Item == Timedout?
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Dug: think so
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q+
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Bob: using flags (like zero items == something else) is a bad idea in general
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q+
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q-
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ack dug
17:31:28 [trutt]
can we define a "magic" response item for this case?
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q+
17:33:43 [Bob]
ack tom
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ack tr
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Nathan: would like some flag to indicate why the set is empty
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Dug: perhaps add a @Reason attribute to wsen:Items ?
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Bob: need a bit more tweaking
17:47:19 [Ram]
Awaiting concrete proposal.
17:47:19 [Dug]
... perhaps add an attribute
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Ram takes over as scribe
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ACTION (Nathan): Prepare concrete proposal.
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Sorry, couldn't find user - (Nathan)
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ISSUE 12042
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12042
17:49:48 [Ram]
Doug describes issue. No need to change spec. The examples needs to be improved.
17:49:55 [Ram]
No objections.
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Issue 12042 resolved as proposed.
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Issue 12051
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12051
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q+
17:51:26 [Ram]
Li describes proposal.
17:51:35 [Bob]
ack dug
17:52:14 [Ram]
Proposal accepted and resolved. The proposal is applied to Enum as well.
17:52:26 [Ram]
Issue 12051 resolved as proposed.
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Issue 12063
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12063
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Editorial
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Issue 12063 resolved as proposed.
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Issue 11790
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11790
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q+
17:55:58 [Ram]
Issue 11790 resolved as proposed.
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q-
17:56:50 [Ram]
Issue 11865
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11865
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proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=953
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Dug describes proposal.
17:59:52 [Ram]
Issue 11865 resolved as proposed.
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Issue 11766
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Waiting for amended proposal,
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Waiting for amended proposal.
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Issue 11698
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11698
18:05:53 [Ram]
Ram likes option 2 in the proposal.
18:06:21 [Ram]
Gil: The schema is enforcing the spec does not say.
18:07:09 [Ram]
Dug: We follow the pattern for filter and dialect attribute. It defaults to XPath 10.
18:07:25 [Ram]
Dug: If we change it on format, we should do this on filter as well.
18:08:50 [Ram]
Gil: The second sentence in proposal (option 2) needs some reworking.
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This OPTIONAL element contains the delivery format to be used for notification messages sent in relation to this subscription. The absence of this element is equivalent to its presence with a @Name value of "http: . . "
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Implied value is "http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/ws-evt/DeliveryFormats/Unwrap", which indicates that unwrapped delivery MUST be used. See Section 2.3 Notification Formats for details.
18:11:58 [Ram]
Issue 117698 resolved with amendment as proposed by Gil above, comment 3 in bug report.
18:12:16 [Ram]
Issue 11698 resolved with amendment as proposed by Gil above, comment 3 in bug report.
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Issue 11894
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Ram: The wording needs some corrections.
18:16:51 [Ram]
Dug: The issue here is "I don't know what the start time is".
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Dug: I am suggesting that the client should know what the remaining time is.
18:19:49 [Dug]
When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transition the response message.
18:20:35 [Dug]
When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transmission the response message.
18:21:02 [Dug]
When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transmission of the response message.
18:21:38 [Ram]
Issue 11894 resolved as proposed above and comment 2 in the bug report.
18:22:09 [Ram]
Issue 11724
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RESOLVED 11724 as proposed.
18:26:05 [Dug]
This Mode value indicates that the resource representation referenced by the children of the Expression element MUST be deleted from the resource representation. If the target fragment is not present then this operation MUST have no effect.
18:26:31 [Ram]
RESOLVED 11724 with amended text above.
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Issue 11772
18:27:12 [Dug]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11772
18:27:52 [Ram]
Dug: The language attribute is required. I am proposed it to be optional.
18:28:25 [Ram]
RESOLVED 11724 with amended text above.
18:31:02 [Zakim]
-asoldano
18:31:15 [Bob]
break until 10:45 PST
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18:32:06 [Ram]
Break until 10:45am PT.
18:34:36 [Dug]
The replacement representation could be considered to be invalid if it does not conform to the schema(s) for the target resource, is empty and the implementation does not support empty representations, or otherwise violates some cardinality or type constraint. If an implementation that validates the presented representation detects that the presented representation is invalid for the target resource, then the implementation MUST generate a wst:InvalidRepresentatio
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Topic: 11766
18:51:48 [Dug]
proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=956
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RESOLUTION: latest proposal (comment #5) is adopted
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Topic: 11990
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=957
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19:02:21 [Ram]
Minor changes to the above proposal as being discussed.
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-Tom_Rutt
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958&action=edit
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958
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+Tom_Rutt
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RESOLVED 11990 as proposed at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958.
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Bob: All open issues have been resolved.
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Bob: If there are no issues that come out of testing today, there won't be a telephone line open tomorrow. I will send an agenda for tomorrow at the end of today!
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-[Oracle]
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Team_(ws-ra)17:03Z has ended
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Attendees were Tom_Rutt, [Oracle], +39.331.574.aaaa, asoldano
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Testing in session NOW.
19:08:30 [Bob]
rrsagent, generate minutes
19:08:30 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/15-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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