17:00:46 RRSAgent has joined #ws-ra 17:00:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/15-ws-ra-irc 17:00:48 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:00:48 Zakim has joined #ws-ra 17:00:50 Zakim, this will be WSRA 17:00:50 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 17:00:51 Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference 17:00:51 Date: 15 February 2011 17:01:17 Dug has joined #ws-ra 17:01:32 yves, we need to set up an adhoc 17:01:52 for how many people? 17:01:58 4 so far 17:02:01 as soon as I can crank it up. we are still waiting for folks to show up 17:02:08 and for how many hours? 17:02:12 about 6 connections should do 17:02:23 three and a half hours 17:03:21 ok, Yves; conference Team_(ws-ra)17:03Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 210 minutes until 2033Z 17:04:02 thanks 17:05:24 conference is restricted at this time??? 17:05:36 gpilz has joined #ws-ra 17:06:00 asoldano has joined #ws-ra 17:06:07 dialing now 17:06:38 Team_(ws-ra)17:03Z has now started 17:06:45 +Tom_Rutt 17:07:10 +[Oracle] 17:07:53 is the usual pass code to be used? 17:08:00 use 26631 17:09:16 thanks 17:09:35 congratulations, Yves 17:09:45 thanks :) 17:10:07 + +39.331.574.aaaa 17:10:32 Zakim, aaaa is asoldano 17:10:32 +asoldano; got it 17:16:28 scribe: Ram 17:16:38 (Dug until Ram is ready) 17:16:55 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Feb/0045.html 17:17:10 q+ 17:17:24 q- 17:18:25 will start a bit late tomorrow - ~9:15am PT to let some people take the cmwg call 7-9 PT 17:18:54 Agenda agree to 17:19:21 RESOLUTION: Agenda agreed to 17:19:30 Topic: 11949 17:19:38 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11949 17:20:50 new issue is accepted 17:21:13 Dug explains issue 17:21:34 Gil: might be over-constraining the event source - what's the interop issue 17:21:35 ? 17:22:31 Dug:at least 3 diff ways the event source could go - we need to pick the right one 17:23:19 s/Subscribe response/SubscribeResponse/ 17:23:28 and it applies to Enum too 17:24:52 RESOLUTION: resolved as proposed with Gil's edit change 17:25:59 Topic: 11990 17:26:01 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11990 17:26:08 Wu has joined #ws-ra 17:26:29 Dug discusses issue 17:28:54 Nathan: does empty Item == Timedout? 17:28:58 Dug: think so 17:29:04 q+ 17:29:44
  • li has joined #ws-ra 17:30:30 Bob: using flags (like zero items == something else) is a bad idea in general 17:30:47 q+ 17:31:08 q- 17:31:16 ack dug 17:31:28 can we define a "magic" response item for this case? 17:31:52 q+ 17:33:43 ack tom 17:34:54 ack tr 17:35:32 Nathan: would like some flag to indicate why the set is empty 17:35:49 Ram has joined #ws-ra 17:36:28 Dug: perhaps add a @Reason attribute to wsen:Items ? 17:47:11 Bob: need a bit more tweaking 17:47:19 Awaiting concrete proposal. 17:47:19 ... perhaps add an attribute 17:47:35 Ram takes over as scribe 17:48:02 ACTION (Nathan): Prepare concrete proposal. 17:48:02 Sorry, couldn't find user - (Nathan) 17:48:35 Nathan has joined #ws-ra 17:48:51 ISSUE 12042 17:48:52 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12042 17:49:48 Doug describes issue. No need to change spec. The examples needs to be improved. 17:49:55 No objections. 17:50:12 Issue 12042 resolved as proposed. 17:50:21 Issue 12051 17:50:22 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12051 17:51:24 q+ 17:51:26 Li describes proposal. 17:51:35 ack dug 17:52:14 Proposal accepted and resolved. The proposal is applied to Enum as well. 17:52:26 Issue 12051 resolved as proposed. 17:52:49 Issue 12063 17:52:50 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12063 17:52:56 Editorial 17:54:08 Issue 12063 resolved as proposed. 17:54:42 Issue 11790 17:54:43 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11790 17:55:56 q+ 17:55:58 Issue 11790 resolved as proposed. 17:56:26 q- 17:56:50 Issue 11865 17:57:11 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11865 17:57:21 proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=953 17:58:41 Dug describes proposal. 17:59:52 Issue 11865 resolved as proposed. 18:01:42 Issue 11766 18:04:56 Waiting for amended proposal, 18:05:04 Waiting for amended proposal. 18:05:08 Issue 11698 18:05:09 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11698 18:05:53 Ram likes option 2 in the proposal. 18:06:21 Gil: The schema is enforcing the spec does not say. 18:07:09 Dug: We follow the pattern for filter and dialect attribute. It defaults to XPath 10. 18:07:25 Dug: If we change it on format, we should do this on filter as well. 18:08:50 Gil: The second sentence in proposal (option 2) needs some reworking. 18:10:18 This OPTIONAL element contains the delivery format to be used for notification messages sent in relation to this subscription. The absence of this element is equivalent to its presence with a @Name value of "http: . . " 18:10:18 Implied value is "http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/ws-evt/DeliveryFormats/Unwrap", which indicates that unwrapped delivery MUST be used. See Section 2.3 Notification Formats for details. 18:11:58 Issue 117698 resolved with amendment as proposed by Gil above, comment 3 in bug report. 18:12:16 Issue 11698 resolved with amendment as proposed by Gil above, comment 3 in bug report. 18:12:21 Issue 11894 18:14:54 Ram: The wording needs some corrections. 18:16:51 Dug: The issue here is "I don't know what the start time is". 18:17:16 Dug: I am suggesting that the client should know what the remaining time is. 18:19:49 When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transition the response message. 18:20:35 When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transmission the response message. 18:21:02 When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transmission of the response message. 18:21:38 Issue 11894 resolved as proposed above and comment 2 in the bug report. 18:22:09 Issue 11724 18:23:51 RESOLVED 11724 as proposed. 18:26:05 This Mode value indicates that the resource representation referenced by the children of the Expression element MUST be deleted from the resource representation. If the target fragment is not present then this operation MUST have no effect. 18:26:31 RESOLVED 11724 with amended text above. 18:27:10 Issue 11772 18:27:12 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11772 18:27:52 Dug: The language attribute is required. I am proposed it to be optional. 18:28:25 RESOLVED 11724 with amended text above. 18:31:02 -asoldano 18:31:15 break until 10:45 PST 18:31:52 gpilz has left #ws-ra 18:32:06 Break until 10:45am PT. 18:34:36 The replacement representation could be considered to be invalid if it does not conform to the schema(s) for the target resource, is empty and the implementation does not support empty representations, or otherwise violates some cardinality or type constraint. If an implementation that validates the presented representation detects that the presented representation is invalid for the target resource, then the implementation MUST generate a wst:InvalidRepresentatio 18:51:35 Topic: 11766 18:51:48 proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=956 18:54:49 RESOLUTION: latest proposal (comment #5) is adopted 18:57:27 Topic: 11990 18:57:28 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=957 19:01:15 gpilz has joined #ws-ra 19:02:21 Minor changes to the above proposal as being discussed. 19:03:11 -Tom_Rutt 19:04:20 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958&action=edit 19:04:33 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958 19:04:52 +Tom_Rutt 19:05:40 RESOLVED 11990 as proposed at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958. 19:06:51 Bob: All open issues have been resolved. 19:07:33 Bob: If there are no issues that come out of testing today, there won't be a telephone line open tomorrow. I will send an agenda for tomorrow at the end of today! 19:07:46 -[Oracle] 19:07:48 Team_(ws-ra)17:03Z has ended 19:07:48 gpilz has left #ws-ra 19:07:49 Attendees were Tom_Rutt, [Oracle], +39.331.574.aaaa, asoldano 19:08:28 Testing in session NOW. 19:08:30 rrsagent, generate minutes 19:08:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/15-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob 19:57:28 Zakim has left #ws-ra