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15:58:31 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
15:58:31 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:47 <Norm> Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG meets on 3 Feb: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/02/03-agenda (Norm)
15:59:17 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
15:59:18 <Norm> Date: 3 February 2011
15:59:18 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/02/03-agenda
15:59:18 <Norm> Meeting: 188
15:59:18 <Norm> Chair: Norm
15:59:18 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
15:59:20 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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16:00:49 <ht> With you in 5, sorry
16:00:57 <Zakim> +Norm
16:01:01 <Norm> no worries
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16:04:01 <ht> zakim, code?
16:04:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), ht
16:04:43 <ht> How do I feep with exiga (SIP client)?????
16:04:58 <Norm> Uh.
16:05:09 <Norm> You twiddle the frobnitz until the perclunk changes pitch
16:05:24 <Norm> *Then* you twist the big red knob to 11
16:05:33 <Norm> Hope that helps
16:06:45 <Norm> Regrets: Paul, Alex
16:08:42 <ht> Sigh
16:08:48 <ht> I can dial, but I can't feep
16:08:59 <ht> Will switch to paying for Skype (last time, I hope)
16:09:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:09:34 <ht> zakim, [ is me
16:09:34 <Zakim> +ht; got it
16:09:37 <Norm> Get out your cereal box whistle?
16:10:36 <Norm> Present: Norm, Henry, Vojtech
16:10:41 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
16:10:41 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/01/27-agenda.html
16:10:43 <Norm> Accepted.
16:10:48 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
16:10:48 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/01/06-minutes.html
16:10:50 <Norm> Accepted.
16:10:58 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 10 Feb 2011?
16:11:25 <Norm> Henry gives regrets; Norm is at risk
16:12:01 <Norm> Topic: Henry's PR draft of XML processor profiles
16:13:45 <Norm> Henry: If we leave it as I've written it, it's just a hint to remind folks that the XML spec doesn't require much.
16:13:57 <Norm> ...If you wanted to do better, you'd have to enumerate the infoset items that are required.
16:14:37 <Norm> ...But I can imagine that people will be frustrated if they have to *both* point to this profile document *and* enumerate the items.
16:14:59 <Norm> Vojtech: I wonder if this small sentence opens new freedom in how to interpret this spec.
16:15:57 <Norm> Norm: I don't think so, it's just more explicit about what isn't being said.
16:16:16 <Norm> Henry: The question is, should we put the additional detail in this spec.
16:16:40 <Norm> ...We'd have to make section 3 normative in a way that it isn't now.
16:16:46 <Norm> Vojtech: It reduces the number of interpretations.
16:17:47 <Norm> Henry: I'm not sure it's reasonable.
16:17:51 <Norm> Norm: Why not?
16:18:15 <Norm> Henry: Here's an example: the infoset spec has three different properties having to do with prefix bindings, any two of which will do
16:18:46 <Norm> Norm: So we could say in that case that you have to provide two of the following three properties.
16:19:36 <Norm> Henry: Does any one know if the widely used processors support the namespace attributes property?
16:20:05 <Norm> Norm: The Java processors based on JAXP don't.
16:20:26 <Norm> Henry: Some of the Python one's do. Whether they should or not is an another question.
16:21:41 <Norm> Norm: I think it would be nice to do it.
16:22:10 <Norm> Norm: Henry, would you try to draft it?
16:22:31 <Norm> Henry: Yes, but it'll take a little while. I won't know if it's going to be straightforward or not until I've worked my way further into it.
16:22:52 <Norm> ...I can imagine that it might wind up being a two-dimensional structure depending on what parts of what specs you support.
16:24:01 <Norm> ...And what about characters, most specs don't return individual character information items.
16:24:09 <Norm> ...As you can see, it's going to take a little while to work it out.
16:24:38 <Norm> Norm: Ok. I think it's good that we're going to look at this.
16:24:59 <Norm> Topic: Proposed errata documents
16:25:04 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-proposed-errata.html
16:25:24 <Norm> Regrets: Paul, Mohamed, Alex
16:38:54 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-proposed-template-errata.html
16:41:26 <Norm> General agreement that the editor got all of them right.
16:41:33 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
16:41:40 <Norm> None heard.
16:42:17 <Norm> Norm: Should I cancel 10 Feb?
16:42:32 <Norm> Henry: yes.
16:42:37 <Norm> Norm: Ok. Next meeting is 17 Feb.
16:43:10 <Zakim> -ht
16:43:11 <Zakim> -vojtech
16:43:11 <Zakim> -Norm
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16:43:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, vojtech, [IPcaller], ht
16:43:15 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world visible
16:43:19 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:43:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-xproc-minutes.html Norm
16:49:32 <ht> zakim, who is on the call?
16:49:32 <Zakim> apparently XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended, ht
16:49:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, Liam
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