IRC log of wai-wcag on 2011-02-03

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 February 2011
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zakim, Microsoft is Wolf_Schmidt
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+Wolf_Schmidt; got it
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regrets from Adam, Daman, James
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regrets: Adam_Solomon, Daman_Wandke, James_Nurthen
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chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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zakim, Mary_Utt.a is Marc_Johlic
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+Marc_Johlic; got it
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scribe: marcjohlic
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scribe: marcjohlic
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2454: WCAG 2 conformance claim: validating code
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2429: SC 3.2.1 Keyboard users only?
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2462: Understanding WCAG 2- SC 1.3.1
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21:24:05 [Loretta]
There may also be cases where it may be a judgment call about what information should appear in text and what would need to be directly associated, and it may be most appropriate to duplicate some information (for instance, in an HTML table, providing the summary both in the paragraph before the table and in the summary attribute of the table itself). However, wherever possible it is necessary for the information to be programmatically determined rather tha
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2463: WCAG 2 techniques for SC 1.3.2 and 2.4.3
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2461: Understanding WCAG 2- SC 2.4.3
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RESPONSE: We have removed the first example. We do not believe that Example 5 fails 2.4.3, since the tab order still follows the reading order, and the reading order follows a logical order.
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2455: Note at end of sufficient techniques for 3.3.2 is ambiguous
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2453: techniques link to 20081211 version
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2431: G93: SC 1.2.4
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2430: G97: Only "immediately following the expanded form"?
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+ +1.617.584.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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zakim, ??P8 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2428: G150: procedure and policy
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Sample some real-time content and check whether the procedure is being applied.
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2432: SM7: Expected Results
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2444: Test does not check top position of link or mechanism
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2446: Equivalence of content of noembed element not explicitly checked
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2436: Formatting Convention
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2426: Table of Content needs summary of collections
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2440: last line of test redundant
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2458: Wording of G164
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2435: FLASH34 Using screen reader detection to turn off sounds that play automatically
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Issue LC-2434: FLASH17 wrong success criteria association
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 1.3.2, 2.1.1, 2.1.3, 2.4.3: Ensuring correct tab and reading order in PDF documents
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 1.3.1, 2.4.8, 3.2.3: Specifying consistent page numbering for PDF documents in Adobe Acrobat Pro or Reader
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Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
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ACTION: AWK confirm that screen reader can actually read the displayed page number
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Created ACTION-120 - Confirm that screen reader can actually read the displayed page number [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2011-02-10].
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed providing that Andrew can confirm that screen reader can actually read the displayed page number
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TOPIC: Add link to Related Techniques for G91: Providing link text that describes the purpose of a link
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Add example to G130: Providing descriptive headings
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 2.4.7: Designing a Focused Visual State for Custom Silverlight Controls
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 1.1.1, 3.3.2: Displaying HelpText in Silverlight User Interfaces
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 2.1.1: Providing Keyboard Shortcuts for a Silverlight Application as a Whole
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ACTION: Wolf review the wording of test procedure
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Created ACTION-121 - Review the wording of test procedure [on Wolf Schmidt - due 2011-02-10].
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RESOLUTION: Leave open
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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 4.1.2: Using Silverlight Text Elements for Appropriate Accessibility Role
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Mary_Utt, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Michael_Cooper, Wolf_Schmidt, Marc_Johlic, Tim_Boland, +1.617.584.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in :
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recorded in
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ACTION: AWK confirm that screen reader can actually read the displayed page number [2]
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ACTION: Wolf review the wording of test procedure [3]
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