00:16:06 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
02:13:51 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
15:55:35 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y
15:55:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-html-a11y-irc
15:55:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:55:36 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #html-a11y
15:55:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:55:39 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:55:39 <trackbot> Date: 03 February 2011
15:55:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
15:56:22 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
15:56:27 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:57:12 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0040.html
15:57:21 <JF> JF has joined #html-a11y
15:57:22 <MichaelC> regrets: Laura_Carlson, Denis_Boudreau
15:58:47 <Marco_Ranon> Marco_Ranon has joined #html-a11y
15:59:13 <kliehm> kliehm has joined #html-a11y
16:00:10 <Zakim> +Eric_Carlson
16:00:11 <Zakim> +??P30
16:00:18 <eric_carlson> eric_carlson has joined #html-a11y
16:00:36 <Zakim> -??P30
16:00:49 <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
16:00:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
16:01:32 <Zakim> +??P55
16:01:38 <Zakim> +??P54
16:02:05 <paulc> paulc has joined #html-a11y
16:02:08 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, ??P55, ??P54
16:02:28 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P54 is Janina_Sajka
16:02:30 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
16:02:39 <Zakim> +Dave_Pawson
16:02:41 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
16:03:00 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P55 is Steve_Faulkner
16:03:01 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:03:07 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:11 <Zakim> +Steve_Faulkner; got it
16:03:17 <Zakim> +??P16
16:03:22 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:04:00 <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0040.html
16:04:09 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:04:18 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P16 is Marco_Ranon
16:04:18 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:04:28 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, Steve_Faulkner, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, Dave_Pawson, [Microsoft], Marco_Ranon, Cynthia_Shelly
16:04:31 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:04:48 <MichaelC> zakim, Marco is unknown
16:04:48 <Zakim> +unknown; got it
16:04:58 <MichaelC> zakim, Dave_Pawson is Marco_Ranon
16:04:58 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:05:13 <MichaelC> zakim, unknown is Mike_Smith
16:05:13 <Zakim> +Mike_Smith; got it
16:06:07 <Zakim> +kliehm
16:06:55 <Stevef> Stevef has joined #html-a11y
16:07:13 <MikeSmith> Topic: bug triage subteam report
16:07:30 <MikeSmith> scribe: Marco_Ranon 
16:08:40 <Marco_Ranon> we checked bugs with need info and contribuited where possible or ressigned to the reporters
16:09:09 <Marco_Ranon> in some cases we need the TF help
16:09:21 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9817
16:10:43 <Stevef> q+
16:11:11 <Marco_Ranon> MS: we need to think of a case for making detail focusable
16:11:14 <MikeSmith> ack Stevef 
16:12:58 <Marco_Ranon> SF: there should be a way to provide a clickable label for the disclosure widget
16:13:02 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/interactive-elements.html#the-details-element
16:14:17 <Marco_Ranon> MS: this is an example of how it should work. is that clear in the specs?
16:14:51 <Marco_Ranon> MS: who should follow up?
16:14:53 <MikeSmith> q?
16:15:52 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/rendering.html#the-details-element-0
16:16:03 <Marco_Ranon> SF: RS and I disagrre on this. But I will follow up.
16:16:32 <MikeSmith> "The first container is expected to contain at least one line box, and that line box is expected to contain a disclosure widget (typically a triangle), horizontally positioned within the left padding of the details element. That widget is expected to allow the user to request that the details be shown or hidden."
16:16:36 <Marco_Ranon> SF: is it a priority?
16:17:18 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:17:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-html-a11y-minutes.html MichaelC
16:18:47 <Marco_Ranon> MS: not actively implemented, to be checked
16:18:59 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10249
16:19:46 <Marco_Ranon> MS: Ian is expecting a proposal
16:20:20 <Marco_Ranon> MS: we should get an implementer to comment. 
16:20:29 <Marco_Ranon> MS: who can we ask to?
16:20:30 <MikeSmith> q?
16:20:59 <Marco_Ranon> SF: I'll ping RS to check if this is still relevant
16:21:09 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
16:21:09 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
16:21:09 <richardschwerdtfe> richardschwerdtfe has joined #html-a11y
16:21:48 <Zakim> +Rich
16:22:12 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10249
16:23:55 <Marco_Ranon> RS: should I add more info? we can do it with a ARIA, but we don't have the full solution
16:25:37 <Marco_Ranon> MS: please discuss this with the reevant people and in the meantime add a comment to the bug.
16:26:12 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10252
16:27:33 <Marco_Ranon> MS: can we expect Gregory to pick up on this?
16:27:54 <Marco_Ranon> JF: i can ping gregory
16:28:17 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10713
16:28:40 <Marco_Ranon> MC: Everett is probably not going to follow up
16:29:25 <Marco_Ranon> MS: we asked Gez Lemon to folow up
16:29:43 <Marco_Ranon> MC: assign to GL to either close or provide more info
16:30:01 <Marco_Ranon> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10938
16:30:02 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10938
16:30:57 <Marco_Ranon> MC: do the TF want to take this up in relation to longdesc?
16:32:15 <Marco_Ranon> MS: one comment to add to the bug could be that we are looking at this in relation with longdesc 
16:32:53 <Marco_Ranon> MC: do we need to reassign it to Leif? 
16:33:19 <Marco_Ranon> MS: Yes
16:33:44 <Marco_Ranon> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11892
16:33:46 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11892
16:34:09 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
16:34:09 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
16:34:22 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
16:34:22 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
16:34:59 <MikeSmith> q?
16:35:02 <Marco_Ranon> MS: new bug. not a priority for the TF probably 
16:35:55 <Marco_Ranon> MS: I can send a message to the list to alert the WG
16:37:28 <Marco_Ranon> SF: do we know how to resolve this issue between ARIA and HTML specs?
16:38:25 <Marco_Ranon> SF: if we wait well need to rise a LC issue
16:39:24 <Marco_Ranon> MC: no changes in bugzilla yet
16:40:01 <Marco_Ranon> TOPIC: media subteam
16:40:22 <Stevef> miksmith: note behaviour in mac for disclosure widgets is only the little triangle to take clicks
16:41:28 <Stevef> MikeSmith: so ability to label is important, also any control needs to be labelable full stop
16:41:40 <Marco_Ranon> JF: we are looking into a new timestamp format used a lot but not in the HTML5 radar
16:41:59 <Stevef> MikeSmith: and its not currently
16:42:49 <Marco_Ranon> JF: we need to deal with multi content (subtiteles, etc) which is live discussion
16:44:13 <MikeSmith> q?
16:46:00 <JF> +Q
16:49:19 <JF> ack JF
16:50:25 <Marco_Ranon> Topic: ARIA Mapping
16:51:13 <MikeSmith> s/MikeSmith:/MikeSmith, /g
16:51:34 <Marco_Ranon> SF: we need to understand what needs to go into the specs
16:51:46 <Marco_Ranon> SF: the API doc is in progress by I need help
16:52:00 <Marco_Ranon> SF: i need input from implementors
16:53:15 <Marco_Ranon> MS: anyone in TF can help? how can we help?
16:53:20 <richardschwerdtfe> q+
16:53:47 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:53:59 <MikeSmith> q?
16:54:00 <Stevef> i am being skype f*cked
16:54:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:54:19 <MikeSmith> ack richardschwerdtfe 
16:55:13 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon.a
16:58:03 <Zakim> -Marco_Ranon
16:58:18 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
16:58:18 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon.a should now be muted
16:58:49 <paulc> Leaving for HTML WG Weekly call.
16:58:55 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:59:25 <Zakim> -Rich
16:59:46 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:00:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:00:14 <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
17:00:15 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
17:00:15 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon.a should no longer be muted
17:00:16 <Zakim> -kliehm
17:00:16 <Zakim> -Steve_Faulkner
17:00:17 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:00:17 <Zakim> -Mike_Smith
17:00:19 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:00:28 <janina> janina has left #html-a11y
17:00:50 <Zakim> -Marco_Ranon.a
17:00:51 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
17:00:52 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Steve_Faulkner, paulc, Cynthia_Shelly, Marco_Ranon, Mike_Smith, kliehm, Rich, [IPcaller]
17:03:21 <Marco_Ranon> rrsagent, create minutes
17:03:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-html-a11y-minutes.html Marco_Ranon
17:26:45 <richardschwerdtfe> ok. I updated Bug 
17:26:45 <richardschwerdtfe> 10249
17:32:05 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe, thanks
17:38:02 <richardschwerdtfe> yw
18:06:22 <eric_carlson> eric_carlson has left #html-a11y
19:19:22 <Zakim> Zakim has left #html-a11y
20:26:02 <silvia> silvia has joined #html-a11y
21:36:57 <silvia> silvia has joined #html-a11y
22:27:30 <MichaelC_> MichaelC_ has joined #html-a11y
22:36:14 <MichaelC_> MichaelC_ has joined #html-a11y