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17:00:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
17:00:38 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2011
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17:00:45 <AndersonQuach> list the agenda
17:00:52 <AndersonQuach> Zakim, list the agenda
17:00:58 <plh> zakim, this will be per
17:01:05 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
17:01:07 <AndersonQuach> scribe+ AndersonQuach 
17:01:09 <Zakim> ok, plh; I see RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM scheduled to start now
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17:01:19 <Zakim> +Plh
17:02:18 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:02:36 <AndersonQuach> present+ NicJansma
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17:04:54 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Review Test cases: test_performance_attributes_exist.htm, test_readwrite.htm, test_timing_client_redirect.htm, test_unique_performance_objects.htm
17:05:04 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Review updates on User Timing
17:05:11 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ CORS and Resource Timing and User Timing
17:05:17 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Discuss Resource Timing
17:05:23 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Any Other Business
17:05:27 <AndersonQuach> present+ Zhiheng
17:05:49 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Last Call moving forward to Candidate Recommendation
17:05:55 <AndersonQuach> topic: Last Call moving forward to Candidate Recommendation
17:06:04 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 6
17:06:45 <AndersonQuach> plh: I can ping the HTTP and WebIDL WG to review the spec.
17:07:29 <AndersonQuach> plh: what's the timeline for the first public working draft for Resource Timing and User Timing
17:07:36 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Let's aim for end of Feb.
17:07:52 <AndersonQuach> present+ TonyG
17:07:56 <AndersonQuach> present+ JamesSimonsen
17:08:00 <AndersonQuach> present+ JasonSobel
17:10:02 <AndersonQuach> present+ KarenAnderson
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17:10:45 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 1
17:10:46 <AndersonQuach> http://w3c-test.org/webperf/tests/submission/Microsoft/NavigationTiming/test_performance_attributes_exist.htm
17:11:51 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Approved
17:12:03 <AndersonQuach> http://w3c-test.org/webperf/tests/submission/Microsoft/NavigationTiming/test_readwrite.htm
17:12:14 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Tests that the object is replacable.
17:12:57 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: One more thought, I wonder if we should check var peformance in addition to window.performance. For webkit the code path is different, not sure if this is an issue in other use agents.
17:13:21 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: that should be easy to add to check var performance = "bar";
17:14:18 <plh> s|WebIDL WG|WebApps WG/WebIDL
17:14:45 <AndersonQuach> http://w3c-test.org/webperf/tests/submission/Microsoft/NavigationTiming/test_unique_performance_objects.htm
17:15:20 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Approved.
17:20:32 <AndersonQuach> http://w3c-test.org/webperf/tests/submission/Google/NavigationTiming/test_document_open.htm
17:20:54 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: two points of feedback, IE does not have the ability to enum "own" properties for the Performance interface.
17:21:03 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Can be worked around.
17:21:14 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: If this is out of scope then we should have a separate test.
17:29:18 <AndersonQuach> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/history.html#navigating-across-documents
17:30:17 <AndersonQuach> http://w3c-test.org/webperf/tests/submission/Google/NavigationTiming/test_navigate_within_document.htm#1
17:32:28 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: If i add explicit properties we're good with test_navigate_within_document?
17:32:55 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: IE9 will treat fragment identifiers as non-unique navigations.
17:38:06 <AndersonQuach> http://test.w3.org/webperf/tests/submission/Microsoft/NavigationTiming/test_navigation_type_backforward.htm
17:38:39 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: saw some interesting behavior with iframe.contentWindow.history.back() it appears to navigate the parent window.
17:40:00 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 3
17:40:06 <AndersonQuach> topic: CORS and Resource Timing and User Timing
17:45:48 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: We last landed at safe defaults, a chunky timeline and then we looked into exploring cross-domain accesss.
17:46:43 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Use html header versus http header.
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17:54:40 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: I'll look into Access-Control and feasibility in IE in the near future.
17:55:55 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 2
17:56:01 <AndersonQuach> topic: CORS and Resource Timing and User Timing
17:56:14 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: We like the streamlined interface in the latest mail. 
17:56:56 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Not immediately get the marks sorted by timestamp as they are grouped by key. A developer can sort on their own, analytic tools can do the sorting.
17:57:12 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: was thinking about a more compact JSON implementation
17:57:39 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: I like how compact the new interface is. Not sure how important it is to sort by timestmap.
17:58:19 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: The other concern, with efficiency and notion and understanding with an attribute versus API. With an API developers think about how browser does work.
17:59:02 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: If it was a marks attribute, exposing to the user as a DOM object, when requested on demand, the user would more likely or access to it is efficient, e.g. iteration patterns.
17:59:21 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: The browser, IE would dynamically have to dynamically construct the marks.
17:59:53 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: That's an interesting point, there could be a hybrid, instead of timing.marks, to move to getMarks(); 
18:00:13 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Yep, and it can easily return the compact JSON packed structure.
18:01:05 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: I can see dynamic patterns, performance.marks.a and grabbing performance.marks.b, it may or may not be expensive, but if we are doing at the time of access, a property may lead to issues.
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18:04:06 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: I can update it with the constants, getMarks, mark and clearMarks.
18:04:31 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: We might want to check out Episodes from Steve Souders.
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18:05:59 <Zakim> -Plh
18:06:01 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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18:06:11 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has ended
18:06:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, [Microsoft], +1.650.450.aaaa, +1.415.829.aabb, +1.650.214.aacc
18:07:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/02-webperf-minutes.html plh
18:09:23 <plh> Chair: Anderson
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21:02:59 <AndersonQuach> topic: Summary
21:10:09 <AndersonQuach> i.	The Web Performance Working Group members will review the document and provide feedback in preparation to go to Candidate Recommendation. Philippe will touch base with the HTMLWG and WebApps WG to solicit feedback for CR on Navigation Timing.
21:10:13 <AndersonQuach> ii.	Continue with reviewing test submissions for 2/9/2011 including:
21:10:17 <AndersonQuach> iii.	Continue investigation to provide authorized cross-domain resource timing information, follow-ups on CORS.
21:10:20 <AndersonQuach> iv.	Anderson will incorporate User Timing changes as discussed in today’s meeting captured in the minutes: getMarks(), and the updates as sent in email. 
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21:10:41 <AndersonQuach> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:10:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/02-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
21:13:51 <AndersonQuach> rrsagent, please part
21:13:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items