22:02:41 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 22:02:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/02-html-a11y-irc 22:03:13 janina has joined #html-a11y 22:04:51 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon 22:04:51 Chair: Janina_Sajka 22:04:51 agenda: this 22:04:51 agenda+ Identify Scribe 22:04:51 agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open 22:04:52 agenda+ Time Tracks Feedback from Google http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Jan/0152.html 22:04:55 agenda+ Are we done with Time Tracks? 22:04:57 agenda+ Issue-152 Multitrack Resources http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0198.html 22:04:59 agenda+ Synchronizing Multiple Binary Assets 22:05:01 agenda+ The U.S. regulatory context for our work -- Judy Brewer 22:05:02 agenda+ Poster Issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0054.html 22:05:04 agenda+ Media Queries on Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0145.html 22:05:07 agenda+ Other Business? 22:05:09 agenda+ be done 22:05:11 22:05:24 zakim, next item 22:05:24 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina] 22:05:29 zakim, scribe is JF 22:05:29 sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe' 22:05:45 scribe: JF 22:05:54 zakim, close item 1 22:05:54 agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed 22:05:56 I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 22:05:58 2. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina] 22:06:00 zakim, next item 22:06:00 agendum 2. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina] 22:07:46 zakim, close Action-98 22:07:46 I don't understand 'close Action-98', janina 22:07:56 close Action-98 22:07:56 ACTION-98 Create a statement with geoff to forward need for caption and description techniques for wcag closed 22:08:10 rrsagent, Close Action-98 22:08:10 I'm logging. I don't understand 'Close Action-98', janina. Try /msg RRSAgent help 22:09:05 JF: re Action 98, posted draft to the list for CFC, and no feedback received 22:09:23 should forward to the appropriate stake holders 22:10:08 Action-88? 22:10:08 ACTION-88 -- Sean Hayes to review Media Fragment URI 1.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-media-frags-20100624/ -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN 22:10:08 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/88 22:10:45 Action-96? 22:10:45 ACTION-96 -- John Foliot to media Sub Team to revisit bug 11395 (Use media queries to select appropriate elements) -- due 2011-01-06 -- OPEN 22:10:45 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/96 22:10:47 Re: Action 88 - will leave as is, needs to go back to PF 22:11:12 can you make the due date on 88 end of March 22:12:00 Issue 96 reassign to Eric Carlson 22:12:20 close Action-97 22:12:20 ACTION-97 Follow up on bug #9673 closed 22:12:21 Issue 97 - to be closed 22:12:46 Action-99? 22:12:46 ACTION-99 -- Janina Sajka to annotate 9452 with clear audio discovery and selection, as well as independent control of multiple playback tracks -- due 2011-01-19 -- OPEN 22:12:46 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/99 22:12:48 Issue 99 22:14:06 zakim, next item 22:14:06 agendum 3. "Time Tracks Feedback from Google http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Jan/0152.html" taken up [from janina] 22:14:55 Ad agenda item - overview of FCC status/situation 22:15:18 http://www.fcc.gov/cib/dro/VPAAC/ 22:16:03 Judy: VPAAC - Video Programming Accessibility Action Commitee 22:16:48 recommend to look at the Mission Statement (Word Doc: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-303943A1.doc) 22:18:36 zakim, mute me 22:18:36 sorry, silvia, I don't know what conference this is 22:19:31 meetings and actions with tight time-lines around video accessibility - captioning and descriptive audio 22:20:10 some awareness of work that is happening at W3C 22:21:50 Janina: interested to understand what this applies to, penalties, etc. 22:22:20 Geoff: there will also be rules about amount of video description as well as requirements for emergency information 22:22:51 they are also looking at getting television shows already captioned for on-air broadcast, must also move to the web 22:23:07 this now involves SMPTE 22:23:28 and SMPTE TT will likey emerge as a recommendation from the committee 22:23:39 Janina: unless we find accessibility issues with this 22:24:23 this will potentially inovolve massive amounts of programming (TV shows) 22:24:34 including older content as well as future content 22:24:54 +q 22:25:17 +q 22:26:05 Judy: can we get differences between SMPTE TT (which is a derivitive of TTML) 22:26:16 adds the ability to add background images, as well as binary data 22:26:35 also some additional metadata content 22:28:01 JF: are broadcasters aware of the browser vendors will or wont support? 22:28:14 q+ 22:29:49 Sean: we can already support, doesn't require native support for this to work. will likely wait to see how the market plays out 22:30:10 Silvia: SMPTE TT is a new format, how much content is currently available 22:30:50 Geoff: there is not yet a lot of implementation, but there is one major support - UltraViolet - which is a DRM-like solution to view content from the cloud 22:31:18 since SMPTE TT is based on TTML, there is potential for growth 22:31:31 q? 22:31:36 ack JFG 22:31:40 ack JF 22:31:53 q- 22:32:38 Eric: is SMPTE a full profile subset of TTML? 22:32:42 Sean: yes 22:33:22 q? 22:33:26 ack j 22:33:53 Judy: with this superset nature of SMPTE TT to what extent are the added features - things that align with accessibility user requirements that we've uncovered? 22:34:56 Sean: the addition of images was from a request from asian territories 22:35:24 they would rather not use actual fonts, and rather have images as more 'hand-drawn' character-sets 22:35:53 the binary data is mostly for commercial requirements, for set-top boxes, etc. 22:36:08 not really for user-benefit, but rather operator-benefit 22:37:08 q? 22:38:29 Janina: one of the other things coming from the FCC work is requirements for devices being sold in the US market, there will be more of these types of devices, and more regs to follow 22:38:33 Need to drop off the call for another meeting. bye all. 22:39:52 q? 22:39:53 Synopsis of questions re: time Tracks 22:40:50 Silvia: the track element allows us to associate external caption files, sub-title files and other text files to videos 22:41:04 Judy: is there a mechanism that can discover those assets 22:42:22 +q 22:42:47 ERic: the track element is for things that have timing with them 22:43:17 so if the description has timing info thta needs to be displayed in sync with the video, then it is appropriate to use track element 22:43:55 q? 22:43:59 ack jf 22:44:01 ack JF 22:45:39 Sean: we've identified that there is no mechanism for labeling a transcript as such - there is no semantic link-up at this time 22:45:42 geoff needs to go-- will read the minutes later this evening. 22:48:39 q+ 22:48:44 Judy: a case can be made that access to a transcript would serve certain user needs for a11y 22:49:38 +q 22:49:40 q? 22:51:55 Janina: we've identified that if there is timing data, that it should be linked to the video, but even if a transcript has no timing it may need to be programmatically associated to the video none-the-less 22:52:46 Judy: the order of presentation /positioning 22:52:52 that has been a problem in the past 22:53:21 if we are trying to support multple media formats - foolproof discoverablility and sharability 22:57:44 q? 22:57:50 ack s 22:57:51 ack j 22:57:54 q+ 23:04:40 discussion about discoverability versus mechanisms for delivery 23:05:21 ERic: discussion is not that there is disagreement on this, but how we deliver it - in sync (with time) 23:05:40 q+ 23:05:53 it makes no sense to try and repurpose track and source for non-time-aligned content 23:06:09 how does the content author package it 23:06:22 Judy: so do we need another element? 23:06:32 s- 23:06:38 q- 23:06:45 given that we are under a very tight timeline at this point? 23:07:06 q? 23:07:10 ack j 23:07:40 eric: don't think we need a different/new element 23:07:57 echos silvia's observation thta at transcript would be avialable for all users 23:08:03 +Q 23:08:32 eric: you could just do the association with an attribute 23:08:47 jf: that would take us down the same path as with longdesc 23:09:16 ...we need to be able to package the transcript in some way that makes it available to users, not just visible on screen 23:09:49 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Multitrack_Media_API 23:10:26 Janina: bottom line is that we do not have a means of associating a transcript to a the video resource 23:10:32 whether an element or an attribute 23:12:15 silvia are you on mute? 23:12:40 Silvia, we don't hear you 23:12:43 try redialling. not hearing you 23:14:31 q+ 23:14:44 ack jf 23:15:14 Judy: we should record everything we can in terms of what is still open 23:15:40 ack ju 23:16:45 Silvia: we should have an email discussion on transcript 23:16:57 (JF will check for that bug and post to the list) 23:17:31 MikeSmith has joined #html-a11y 23:20:05 eric: when the durations are not the same - it's not an issue when they are not the same, but rather when the internal timing information are not the same 23:20:20 when segments of one don't exactly overlap segments of the other 23:20:35 there is no way of describing those associations 23:20:50 Silvia: on the multi-track API 23:21:25 summarize from discussions and an email thread from last fall - will summarize into a wiki page for further discussion 23:21:38 we re-start a new mail thread 23:23:35 Janina, another isue is if the user wants to control the secondary content - change font size, colors, adjust audio levels, etc. 23:24:16 Janina: on one hand, this is very specific to Operating Systems 23:24:36 q+ 23:24:41 q? 23:24:43 but what we should be discussing is a systematic way for authors to create content, and signify this to the browser 23:25:57 Judy has joined #html-a11y 23:26:32 q? 23:27:58 q? 23:28:01 ack j 23:31:08 zakim, bye 23:31:08 Zakim has left #html-a11y 23:31:28 rssagent, make log public 23:31:51 rssagent, make log public 23:32:14 rssagent, make minutes 23:32:25 silvia has joined #html-a11y 23:32:35 rrsagent, make log public 23:32:44 rrsagent, make minutes 23:32:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/02-html-a11y-minutes.html JF 23:40:29 davidb has joined #html-a11y 23:57:37 gfreed has joined #html-a11y 23:58:05 gfreed has left #html-a11y